How did she not?How did she disproportionately affect black families?
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How did she not?How did she disproportionately affect black families?
How did she not?
I mean by what mechanism? It is pretty hard for abortion and birth control to disprportionately affect black families in an equal society where the only difference between races is skin color.How did she not?
Ok so what you're saying is that planned parenthood is a contributing factor to the decline in the black family, but only because of an unequal society?I mean by what mechanism? It is pretty hard for abortion and birth control to disprportionately affect black families in an equal society where the only difference between races is skin color.
I am just going with your premise. Is there something about black skin that makes one especially prone to the ravages of planned parenthood?Ok so what you're saying is that planned parenthood is a contributing factor to the decline in the black family, but only because of an unequal society?
Maybe black women were targeted?I am just going with your premise. Is there something about black skin that makes one especially prone to the ravages of planned parenthood?
Keep going. Let's think about how and why they were targeted.Maybe black women were targeted?
Because they were black?Keep going. Let's think about how and why they were targeted.
My point exactly.Racism
The black family has had a bigger decline than others. That's interesting that the poverty gap has improved, but sounds like whites and blacks have been in decline. So, why is that? I doubt we can blame the decline in the white family in racism.My point exactly.
That being said your premise of racial socioeconomic inequality being chiefly caused by the decline in the family caused by Margaret Sanger is preposterous. First how does a family planning advocate cause the decline of families? Second the decline of families happened after Sanger's senescence. Third the decline of the family has hit families of all races, and roughly in proportion to percentage of that race that was in poverty 1958 (prior to this great familial decline) which indicates the seed of present day inequality was present prior to the decline in the nuclear family. Finally, the poverty gap between whites and blacks has narrowed since the supposedly calamitous decline in the nuclear family.
I was trying to get you to realize that anything that has happened since 1865 to cause inequality wasn't in a vacuum, but working on the differences that were already existing because of slavery and racism.I said "maybe it was Margaret Sanger?"
Thank you for finally responding with something other than a question.
The black family has had a bigger decline than others. That's interesting that the poverty gap has improved, but sounds like whites and blacks have been in decline. So, why is that? I doubt we can blame the decline in the white family in racism.
Entitled and expect are completely different words with different meanings.
Do you have any explanation for the earnings gap between black people and white people? I think state sanctioned slavery plays a heavy role. Under what theory of justice can we allow that gap to persist?
Ah, the 'model minority' theme. Much more research has been done on Asian immigrants and their kids than Africans and black Caribbeans. I believe you when you say that African immigrants 'perform' better than African Americans, but I would be curious to see the black Caribbean numbers. Where did your Nigerian friends live when they came to the US? In an impoverished neighborhood? What was the parents' educational background in Africa? These relate to common sociological explanations to the gap between African American and immigrant gains.Why do first and second generation African and Caribbean blacks come here and far out perform blacks that have been here generations? I know a Nigerian family that came with barely the clothes on their backs that now have educated and very successful kids. Why did that family manage?
I'll take my answer off the air.
Ah, the 'model minority' theme. Much more research has been done on Asian immigrants and their kids than Africans and black Caribbeans. I believe you when you say that African immigrants 'perform' better than African Americans, but I would be curious to see the black Caribbean numbers. Where did your Nigerian friends live when they came to the US? In an impoverished neighborhood? What was the parents' educational background in Africa? These relate to common sociological explanations to the gap between African American and immigrant gains.
I think children of African and Asian immigrants easily 'outperform' native whites in their generation, when it comes to education and maybe even economics. One thing that is often missed is that the immigrant generation stays working-class even as their children enter the middle class, and some of the second-generation gains are off-set by caring for their parents (which is already a much more important cultural value for many immigrants than 'natives'). This is the case for my in-laws.
I get that their are factors. I just get tired of the "oppressed with no chance" mantra.
this family sacrificed like no one I know. I doubt I'd be willing to do what they did.
Tired of the constant excuses.
In 1958 the percentage in poverty was over 50% today it is less than 30%.Black families circa 1955 vs. 2015 -- which were in better socioeconomic shape on a nationwide basis?
The thing people forget is that immigrants are a self selecting population and often are selected for merit, while native populations are closer to a random distribution.Ah, the 'model minority' theme. Much more research has been done on Asian immigrants and their kids than Africans and black Caribbeans. I believe you when you say that African immigrants 'perform' better than African Americans, but I would be curious to see the black Caribbean numbers. Where did your Nigerian friends live when they came to the US? In an impoverished neighborhood? What was the parents' educational background in Africa? These relate to common sociological explanations to the gap between African American and immigrant gains.
I think children of African and Asian immigrants easily 'outperform' native whites in their generation, when it comes to education and maybe even economics. One thing that is often missed is that the immigrant generation stays working-class even as their children enter the middle class, and some of the second-generation gains are off-set by caring for their parents (which is already a much more important cultural value for many immigrants than 'natives'). This is the case for my in-laws.
I think children of African and Asian immigrants easily 'outperform' native whites in their generation, when it comes to education and maybe even economics.
I'll take my answer off the air.
Most studies show that home ownership, residential conditions, education level, real median income, employment, etc, have also risen since 1960. It's hard to tell from the nationwide Census reports, since they only tabulated 'white' and 'nonwhite' in the published reports that I know of. But a lot of the city-level and tract-level data is broken-down by white, black, and Puerto Rican (for 1960). Let me know if you're interested in a specific statistic for a particular city or state. I can pull some data from the historical GIS database tomorrow, since I think I'm doing some mapping stuff anyways. You also have to remember that there was a recession in 1958-1959 that hit the black working class hard.In 1958 the percentage in poverty was over 50% today it is less than 30%.
I found some info from 58 and 66 I believe that broke it down into black, white and other.Most studies show that home ownership, residential conditions, education level, real median income, employment, etc, have also risen since 1960. It's hard to tell from the nationwide Census reports, since they only tabulated 'white' and 'nonwhite' in the published reports that I know of. But a lot of the city-level and tract-level data is broken-down by white, black, and Puerto Rican (for 1960). Let me know if you're interested in a specific statistic for a particular city or state. I can pull some data from the historical GIS database tomorrow, since I think I'm doing some mapping stuff anyways.
The data I found for 58 and 66 showed that 58 was hard for whites and minorities both. In 66 (maybe it was 68) the white poverty rate was a third of the 58 level while for non whites it was still roughly 60% of the 58 level. I think the lesson is poverty begets poverty.You also have to remember that there was a recession in 1958-1959 that hit the black working class hard.
How can an entire population subset make a choice? You are confusing individual responsibility with group statistics.Or choice?
I don't think it helps that the overall message is that they can't.
Thanks. I only looked at decennial census data, since that's what I'm familiar with/am lazy. True about 58-59 and whites---the mining industry was devastated. This increased an already-robust emigration from Appalachia and the Upper South. Despite the 'hillbilly ghetto' stereotype of some neighborhoods in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc, Southern/App-born white migrants, on average, out-performed non-Southern/App white families (not to mention black migrants and locals) in the North and Midwest through the 60s and 70s.I found some info from 58 and 66 I believe that broke it down into black, white and other.
I would be interested in the trends in each of Colin Woodard's "American Nations" but I imagine that would be too much of a task.
The data I found for 58 and 66 showed that 58 was hard for whites and minorities both. In 66 (maybe it was 68) the white poverty rate was a third of the 58 level while for non whites it was still roughly 60% of the 58 level. I think the lesson is poverty begets poverty.
Were they fighting for their right to own people?Should Native American monuments be removed from gov't property?
Many attacked US forces, attacked unarmed US civilians, sided with foreign forces against the US and some even fought for the CSA while under treaty with the US.
Were they fighting for their right to own people?
We can take down the monuments of the natives that fought for the CSA if you insist.Some fought for the CSA, right?
We can take down the monuments of the natives that fought for the CSA if you insist.