Florida dems take hard left and I may be an idiot.

[Been Jammin]

Okay, I really didn’t think you remotely thought DeSantis projected the word “monkey” toward the Tallahassee mayor (even though the quote was clearly aimed at ideology). I assumed you were just making a joke. It is beyond my scope of thought to immediately go after and even consider normal talk to be racist. That is a HUGE problem. Not with me, but with you and others that try to tie everything to racial terms.

How is that "normal talk". Nobody says that. No one uses "monkey this up" as a regular figure of speech. Find me another example of someone using those words in that combination if you can.

Earlier today, I saw a blurb on Twitter about what he said. I didn't give it much thought other than to think poor choice of words by him. Then, I saw @SMemmett post about it, and I thought it was funny that he referenced the comment, so I "liked" his post. Next thing I know, @CBradSmith is calling me out and making personal attacks against me. Up until that point, I hadn't given DeSantis' comments much thought at all, but then I started paying more attention. I wasn't assuming him to be a racist, but I don't think it can be assumed that he isn't and that he didn't choose those words on purpose.

It is a fact that there are racists in this country. It is a fact that there are racists who are politicians. It is a fact that there are individuals who think they are really clever and funny when they are not. It is possible that he thought he was making a subtle clever joke.

I'm not saying that it is so. I do think it is over the top to accuse the guy of being racist, or of using a racial epithet based on those words. But, I don't think it is over the top to raise an eyebrow and say "that was a poor choice of words".

@CBradSmith constantly goes off on the liberals and their over the top outrage over various things. How is his outrage, and your outrage over me saying what I have said any different?

 

[Alpha Poke]

 

[SMemmett]

I sleep fine because I always allow for the possibility of being incorrect; it serves as an edifying feedback loop that prompts me, as a basic matter of moving through life and not being an asshole, to not live beyond myself...

Something that absolutely cannot be said for all you mind readers on the left.

As such, yeah, i'm persuaded that your feckless posting of something like that as some form of proof or even implication that that guy is racist, is a fuking burden on society.

Your way of interpreting things introduces a far greater cost than your virtue signaling self would believe, making you the exact opposite of being your brothers keeper.

Good lord! Really twisting the knife here, Brad! Has this been stewing for a long time? And this was the last straw? You and I have had very few interactions. I didn't see this coming!

You accuse the 'left' of mind-reading, and yet you have ascertained my entire existence from a comment, with zero clue of what level of irony I might have had in mind when I made that comment, or what I even truly think about it. Look up what I said about Brian Davis and his 'cotton picking mind' statement. My thoughts aren't too different about this one.

I'll meditate on your insightful observations about how I present myself on the internet through my restless, fitful, lefty sleep.

Keep gate-keeping, Brad. I always enjoy seeing your wannabe William F. Buckley shine through.

 

[Pokeabear]

Good lord! Really twisting the knife here, Brad! Has this been stewing for a long time? And this was the last straw? You and I have had very few interactions. I didn't see this coming!

You accuse the 'left' of mind-reading, and yet you have ascertained my entire existence from a comment, with zero clue of what level of irony I might have had in mind when I made that comment, or what I even truly think about it. Look up what I said about Brian Davis and his 'cotton picking mind' statement. My thoughts aren't too different about this one.

I'll meditate on your insightful observations about how I present myself on the internet through my restless, fitful, lefty sleep.

Keep gate-keeping, Brad. I always enjoy seeing your wannabe William F. Buckley shine through.

Ah ah, a few, ah prid pro quos.

 

[JimmyBob]

Ah, WTF:

 

[wyomingosualum]

I had no idea I was a racist when I referred to my children as monkeys when they were younger.

And as they are now teenagers, I wish they were monkeys again.

 

[cableok]

How is that "normal talk". Nobody says that. No one uses "monkey this up" as a regular figure of speech. Find me another example of someone using those words in that combination if you can.
?

Monkey wrench. Monkey around. Monkey business.

Ya, you are right ...using the word monkey in a phrase to denote messing up is never used.

I guess I need to tell my dad some on the rivals board feel he may have been a racist for calling my sister and me his “little monkeys” when we were being goofy.

 

[HighStickHarry]

It’s fascinating watching this crap. Been ignores mountains of evidence on the Clintons being crooks and murderers, coins cds, and operates under the burden of proof “they aren’t in jail.”

Today in his world it’s possible that a gubernatorial candidate risked his political career to dog whistle hundreds of white supremacists in Florida to come out and vote in November.

 

[aix_xpert]

You are not that far from me, then. I am in Spring Hill. We like going to the outlet mall near you guys (well, really for Chuy's). There used to be an OSU watch party in Tampa, but that seemed to go away 2 years ago.

Love Chuy's. Only good Texmex in a 20 mile radius. Most of what they call Mexican food here is pretty ehh.

 

[CBradSmith]

Good lord! Really twisting the knife here, Brad! Has this been stewing for a long time? And this was the last straw? You and I have had very few interactions. I didn't see this coming!

You accuse the 'left' of mind-reading, and yet you have ascertained my entire existence from a comment, with zero clue of what level of irony I might have had in mind when I made that comment, or what I even truly think about it. Look up what I said about Brian Davis and his 'cotton picking mind' statement. My thoughts aren't too different about this one.

I'll meditate on your insightful observations about how I present myself on the internet through my restless, fitful, lefty sleep.

Keep gate-keeping, Brad. I always enjoy seeing your wannabe William F. Buckley shine through.

My Jimmies were admittedly rustled earlier.

I abhor the laziness and, in many cases, blatant dishonesty that accusations or implications of racism are tossed out by those on the left. It causes real harm and is of low character. It's manipulative. It's the lowest denominator. And in many, it speaks more about them than the target of their accusation.

All that said, I apologize to anybody in this thread that I may have leveled my shots at erroneously. Not all leftists are bad or practitioners of such disingenuous tactics. Indeed many (leftists) are fine people. And some things that may have the appearance of racism are real and to be spotlighted.

 

[Rdcldad]

My Jimmies were admittedly rustled earlier.

I abhor the laziness and, in many cases, blatant dishonesty that accusations or implications of racism are tossed out by those on the left. It causes real harm and is of low character. It's manipulative. It's the lowest denominator. And in many, it speaks more about them than the target of their accusation.

All that said, I apologize to anybody in this thread that I may have leveled my shots at erroneously. Not all leftists are bad or practitioners of such disingenuous tactics. Indeed many (leftists) are fine people. And some things that may have the appearance of racism are real and to be spotlighted.

i enjoyed the honest rage

 

[SMemmett]

My Jimmies were admittedly rustled earlier.

I abhor the laziness and, in many cases, blatant dishonesty that accusations or implications of racism are tossed out by those on the left. It causes real harm and is of low character. It's manipulative. It's the lowest denominator. And in many, it speaks more about them than the target of their accusation.

All that said, I apologize to anybody in this thread that I may have leveled my shots at erroneously. Not all leftists are bad or practitioners of such disingenuous tactics. Indeed many (leftists) are fine people. And some things that may have the appearance of racism are real and to be spotlighted.

Everyone gets a frayed jimmy sometimes.

 

[Been Jammin]

Monkey wrench. Monkey around. Monkey business.

Ya, you are right ...using the word monkey in a phrase to denote messing up is never used.

I guess I need to tell my dad some on the rivals board feel he may have been a racist for calling my sister and me his “little monkeys” when we were being goofy.

I hope you are being obtuse. Obviously, the word "monkey" can be used without racist connotations.

I asked you to find a quote, or another instance of someone using the term "monkey this up".

It is not included on this list. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/monkey

Try this. While interacting with one of your black co-workers/clients, say "I really hope you don't monkey this up." That might not go over quite as well as saying to him or her, "please don't monkey around while working on this project".

Best case scenario, for DeSantis, is that he chose to use a really strange grouping of words to make his point. A group of words that caused some people to raise an eyebrow and say "whaaat?, is that a saying I have never heard before?".

 

[Ostatedchi]

I use the term 'cock monkey' all the time. I made it up because it sounds like a curse but isn't quite. Is that racist?

 

[Pokeabear]

I use the term 'cock monkey' all the time. I made it up because it sounds like a curse but isn't quite. Is that racist?

Nah, your not running for public office. You can use your made up word whenever you like, just like all the other grown ups not in the public eye.

 

[Alpha Poke]

 

[Medic007]

I hope you are being obtuse. Obviously, the word "monkey" can be used without racist connotations.

I asked you to find a quote, or another instance of someone using the term "monkey this up".

It is not included on this list. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/monkey

Try this. While interacting with one of your black co-workers/clients, say "I really hope you don't monkey this up." That might not go over quite as well as saying to him or her, "please don't monkey around while working on this project".

Best case scenario, for DeSantis, is that he chose to use a really strange grouping of words to make his point. A group of words that caused some people to raise an eyebrow and say "whaaat?, is that a saying I have never heard before?".

 

[osu_orangestreak]

Some are saying the "monkey it up" is something that is used in the military and Desantis has a military background.

I don't know it is true or not.

 

[Been Jammin]

Some are saying the "monkey it up" is something that is used in the military and Desantis has a military background.

I don't know it is true or not.

Well, if it is, then it all makes a lot more sense. It seems like there would be multiple individuals coming forward and sharing such information.

 

[Been Jammin]

Please tell me where I am "reaching". What have I said that does not make logical sense?

 

[Alpha Poke]

 

[Pokeabear]

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Weird I don’t see monkey it up on there or anything regarding monkeys when talking about a specific black man.

 

[Been Jammin]

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Thanks for backing up my point. There are many common terms that include the word monkey, and people use them all the time.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/monkey

 

[Alpha Poke]

Duh.

 

[Rdcldad]

Thanks for backing up my point. There are many common terms that include the word monkey, and people use them all the time.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/monkey

benny splitting hairs with the phraseology of monkey is a wonderful hill to die on

i don’t know if it’s the vet animal lover in you that’s brought the fight

whatever it is
it’s no doubt your best work to date

kudos

 

[CowboyJD]

benny splitting hairs with the phraseology of monkey is a wonderful hill to die on

i don’t know if it’s the vet animal lover in you that’s brought the fight

whatever it is
it’s no doubt your best work to date

kudos

He got plenty of takers for the countermind reading arguing it clearly wasn’t racist.

I’ll just say it did strike me as a very odd turn of a phrase, but ultimately IDGAF because I don’t live in Florida.

 

[Alpha Poke]

I thought it was known that Florida had a std infested monkey problem.

 

[Rdcldad]

He got plenty of takers for the countermind reading arguing it clearly wasn’t racist.

I’ll just say it did strike me as a very odd turn of a phrase, but ultimately IDGAF because I don’t live in Florida.

oh i think guys like this along with
cotton picking brian davis need to be rooted out of the main stream

these odd slips and or word choices

are perfect for investigators to tell us all we need to know about what’s inside a person regardless off their lifelong track record

 

[Medic007]

Weird I don’t see monkey it up on there or anything regarding monkeys when talking about a specific black man.

He was talking about a "specific black man?"

Hmmmmmm

"The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state."

 

[07pilt]

Today in his world it’s possible that a gubernatorial candidate risked his political career to dog whistle hundreds of white supremacists in Florida to come out and vote in November.

Since when has dog whistling in Florida been a career risk?

 

[Been Jammin]

He was talking about a "specific black man?"

Hmmmmmm

"The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state."

Of course he was. His opponent is the one pushing the "socialist agenda". As I said, best case of scenario for him is that it was a very poor choice of words, and a phrase that is not commonly used.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Since when has dog whistling in Florida been a career risk?

For Republicans, I’d say roughly 1865.

 

[Been Jammin]

i don’t know if it’s the vet animal lover in you that’s brought the fight

I would not even have posted ITT if I hadn't been called
"piece of shit"
"dishonest"
"shallow"
"simple"
and "of little value"

I do appreciate Brad's mea culpa, but why are so many of you on my case while no one called him out after his attacks on me and @SMemmett ?

I have called out Clinton on multiple occasions. It is OK to criticize someone on your team. You guys will all still be buddies the next day.

 

[cableok]

Of course he was. His opponent is the one pushing the "socialist agenda". As I said, best case of scenario for him is that it was a very poor choice of words, and a phrase that is not commonly used.

We need the “reach” meme again.

 

[Medic007]

Of course he was. His opponent is the one pushing the "socialist agenda". As I said, best case of scenario for him is that it was a very poor choice of words, and a phrase that is not commonly used.

He was referring to the policies, not the person. Seems painfully obvious to me. But then again, I'm not trying to inject racism into everything everyone who isn't a Team Lefty says.

 

[Been Jammin]

He was referring to the policies, not the person. Seems painfully obvious to me. But then again, I'm not trying to inject racism into everything everyone who isn't a Team Lefty says.

As I have stated. His words were not overtly racist, and may have not included an iota of racism. But, to suggest that his comments were not pointed at his political opponent, when he was clearly referencing voting in the upcoming election, is disingenuous.

 

[Medic007]

As I have stated. His words were not overtly racist, and may have not included an iota of racism. But, to suggest that his comments were not pointed at his political opponent, when he was clearly referencing voting in the upcoming election, is disingenuous.

Of course they're pointed at his opponent. More specifically, they're pointed at the policy stances of his opponent. Trying to inject racism into the comment is what is disingenuous.

Do you invest this much microscope time in Democrats too? I know you're very much an individual thinker, but your take on this particular comment reeks of the lefty media narrative.

 

[Been Jammin]

Of course they're pointed at his opponent. More specifically, they're pointed at the policy stances of his opponent. Trying to inject racism into the comment is what is disingenuous.

Do you invest this much microscope time in Democrats too? I know you're very much an individual thinker, but your take on this particular comment reeks of the lefty media narrative.

Sure. Point out a white Dem who makes a potentially racist statement regarding their black/hispanic opponent, and I will hold him/her to the same standard.

I haven't accused DeSantis of anything other than using a stupid/confusing phrase.

I have accused some posters of being ridiculous whiners when it comes their over the top outrage due to the media pointing out that DeSantis' words were poorly chosen. And that they could be interpreted as being racist.

Would you tell one of your black co-workers that you hope he doesn't "monkey this up"? I doubt it.

 

[Medic007]

Would you tell one of your black co-workers that you hope he doesn't "monkey this up"? I doubt it.

lol. Is that your attempt at self confirmation or something? My black coworkers are probably the worst when it comes to racially insensitive comments. They make me cringe, and I'm not easily offended or shocked.

I haven't accused DeSantis of anything other than using a stupid/confusing phrase.

And maybe just maybe a little racist, or a lot racist, depending on the post. Like I said, reeks of narrative.

Sure. Point out a white Dem who makes a potentially racist statement regarding their black/hispanic opponent, and I will hold him/her to the same standard.

It has to be a white Democrat? Why only white Democrats?

 

[CBradSmith]

I would not even have posted ITT if I hadn't been called
"piece of shit"
"dishonest"
"shallow"
"simple"
and "of little value"

I do appreciate Brad's mea culpa, but why are so many of you on my case while no one called him out after his attacks on me and @SMemmett ?

I have called out Clinton on multiple occasions. It is OK to criticize someone on your team. You guys will all still be buddies the next day.

My attacks, while a bit aggressive, are 100% merited.

Leftists need to start practicing genuine critical analysis before vomiting their robotic, conditioned reactions to anything they perceive as racist.

Critical self and situational analysis...do it.

You (the royal 'you') don't get a ribbon for being the first to find and call out genuine racism. But you do create genuine, societal harm by all your inaccuracy and inability to move the fuk along when reasonable people aren't seeing the same shit you think you see.