Firing Mueller....

[NZ Poke]

Do you all expect this?

Do you think Trump should fire him?

Any predictions for what will happen if Trump does fire him?

I think Trump should fire him.

1. There was never any Russian collusion (hence Mueller moving on to other things). There is tons of real evidence of Dem collusion with the Russians in Wikileaks emails, just waiting to be investigated.

2. The Wikileaks emails most likely came from someone inside the DNC who was pissed at Bernie getting cheated over by the Dem elites and media (Seth Rich).

3. Hillary lost because because she was a horrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign. And the Dems got destroyed at *all* levels in the election (from Congress through governors) --- Americans rejected globalism for Trump's pro-American platform.

4. Trump's core support is just as strong as ever. The Republican swamp is next up for draining.


Was listening to this Judicial Watch discussion on Mueller from today, highly suggested.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

Do you think Trump should fire him?

Yes

Any predictions for what will happen if Trump does fire him?

 

[CowboyJD]

1. He doesn't have the authority to fire him directly. That belongs to the AG/Deputy AG. Do none of you remember the Saturday Night Massacre? He could order them to fire him and fire them (in order) until he found someone that would do his bidding.

2. Even Republican Congresspersons would have seen enough and just appoint a Special Counsel themselves.

There's gonna be an full investigation. It's unavoidable at this point. Firing Comey got him a special counsel investigator. Firing the Special Counsel (indirectly) would almost guarantee he would get something even more undesirable to him.

Yet another Russia, Russia, Russia post NOT started by the lefties on the board. The only way Trump gets "got" by such an investigation is if there is enough evidence to impeach and the political will of both the House and Senate. Not sure why you guys are so worried. I'd save my powder for taking potshots at whatever the results are instead of wasting it on an investigation that's gonna happen one way or another.

 

[CowboyJD]

Beloved Leader has everyone against him.....Congress (Dems and establishment Republicans. An overwhelming majority between those)....Senate Majority Leader, Speaker of the House, an activistic judicial branch and SCOTUS. Hell, even many of hours is own appointees (AG, Deputy AG) doing things to sink him. A power struggle in the White House between the Bannon and Priebus/Ivanka/Kushner factions.

Not sure he's gonna make it, ya'll.

 

[NZ Poke]

I'm not an expert on the legal aspect of Mueller (will defer to you on you that), but the wrong people are being investigated.

And none other than Jill Strein just dropped an atomic truth explosion on the Dems.

 

[JohnVoight]

I don't think Trump should fire him, and I don't expect he will. Suppose he did though, I wonder what would happen? Nixon was way before my time, so all historians feel free to correct whatever I get wrong factually.

The media narrative is it would be Nixon v2. I'm not so sure. Whereas the media and congress were slightly more trusted institutions in 1974 (an understatement), they do not have the same clout with the people that they once did. Trump ran against both of them and along with Bannon, is a master at ginning up grassroots support along with their own competing narrative. Are we to believe that this dynamic will suddenly change if Mueller is fired? Trump's base isn't wavering so if Congress and the MSM could erode his independent voters' public support, that would be pretty problematic. Seems to me like anybody who voted for Trump would see through a statement from Paul Ryan akin to "this/Trump is damaging to our democracy." That was HRC's whole message basically. What's the definition of insanity again? I'm generally curious how it would play out, but don't think it will get to that point.

Sidebar: I'm more and more convinced the DNC knew HRC was a beyond horrible candidate and ran (and paid off) Bernie more as controlled opposition in order to flip his leftwing voters to HRC in the end. I mean would a candidate who truly wanted to win/cared for his supporters say in a debate "The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails."

 

[NZ Poke]

Brand new from today -- very highly suggested.

Stefan is on fire....

 

[JimmyBob]

Nixon was way before my time, so all historians feel free to correct whatever I get wrong factually.

Mini-hijack of little relevance: He spoke at my '74 graduation and my earlier graduation speaker was Gov. David Hall, a couple of real winners.

 

[CowboyJD]

I don't think Trump should fire him, and I don't expect he will. Suppose he did though, I wonder what would happen? Nixon was way before my time, so all historians feel free to correct whatever I get wrong factually.

The media narrative is it would be Nixon v2. I'm not so sure. Whereas the media and congress were slightly more trusted institutions in 1974 (an understatement), they do not have the same clout with the people that they once did. Trump ran against both of them and along with Bannon, is a master at ginning up grassroots support along with their own competing narrative. Are we to believe that this dynamic will suddenly change if Mueller is fired? Trump's base isn't wavering so if Congress and the MSM could erode his independent voters' public support, that would be pretty problematic. Seems to me like anybody who voted for Trump would see through a statement from Paul Ryan akin to "this/Trump is damaging to our democracy." That was HRC's whole message basically. What's the definition of insanity again? I'm generally curious how it would play out, but don't think it will get to that point.

Sidebar: I'm more and more convinced the DNC knew HRC was a beyond horrible candidate and ran (and paid off) Bernie more as controlled opposition in order to flip his leftwing voters to HRC in the end. I mean would a candidate who truly wanted to win/cared for his supporters say in a debate "The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails."

Firing Mueller after firing Comey and after Junior's issues would make no difference to hard core Trumpies, I agree.

I disagree that it would make no difference, however, to third party voters that are willing to give him a chance (like me) and a good chunk of the "at least he's not Hillary" voters as well. Speaking of...when the Trumpies continually run out "Hillary, Hillary, Hillary", they are losing more and more of the "at least he's not Hillary" voters each time IMO. For many of them, Trump is "on the clock".....Hillary lost...mission accomplished....and they are looking for something more at this point.

Many of you seem to think that Loyal Trump supporters are much deeper and wider than they really are, IMO. There are a lot more fence sitters out there than such people are accounting for.

 

[CowboyJD]

Mini-hijack of little relevance: He spoke at my '74 graduation and my earlier graduation speaker was Gov. David Hall, a couple of real winners.

Damn son, you hit the daily double of executive corruption.

 

[long-duc-dong]

Bring on President Pence. Hahahahahahahahah! That would be a glorious thing. The collective head exploding would be great tv. I might tune in to some of the national shows,for the first time since inauguration, just to see it.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

I hope he does. It's such an obvious cover-up with firing Comey that it would probably get him impeached eventually. The country wouldn't put up with that kind of clumsy cover up.

Why is Biff so afraid to Mueller gets those tax returns? What possible reason?

1. He's not as wealthy as he lets on.

2. He made his money laundering Russian mob money.

3. ??

 

[NZ Poke]

The only strong support the Dems have is in the Fake News media. (Their PR branch)


2018 is going to be a bloodbath for the Dems.....people are sick of their identity politics platform.

Of course, we have to #DrainTheGOPSwamp too

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

The only strong support the Dems have is in the Fake News media. (Their PR branch)


2018 is going to be a bloodbath for the Dems.....people are sick of their identity politics platform.

Of course, we have to #DrainTheGOPSwamp too

 

[Medic007]

You're on a roll this morning. I laughed out loud.

 

[NZ Poke]

 

[CowboyJD]

The only strong support the Dems have is in the Fake News media. (Their PR branch)


2018 is going to be a bloodbath for the Dems.....people are sick of their identity politics platform.

Of course, we have to #DrainTheGOPSwamp too

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We're talking about Trump.

You post continually how the Republican Congress...McConnell, Ryan, most if not all of them, are against him. That's your excuse for why no significant legislation.

I'm gonna need you to define bloodbath. Democrats lose net seats in House and Senate? What? What does your boy Styxie say about this?

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

LOL, fire away! Go get her! Throw some Obama and pedophile stuff in there too. Remember when you broadcast that pizza pedophile deal? Keep trolling with lies, deflection, anything but discuss Biff's obvious cover up. What's he so afraid of?

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

What does your boy Styxie say about this?

He's mixing up a ravenclaw and spider eye potion as we speak. Stay tuned, he'll share his vision right after Mom brings his pop tart.

 

[MegaPoke]

We're talking about Trump.

You post continually how the Republican Congress...McConnell, Ryan, most if not all of them, are against him. That's your excuse for why no significant legislation.

I'm gonna need you to define bloodbath. Democrats lose net seats in House and Senate? What? What does your boy Styxie say about this?

A couple things.

The neocon congress is at best, useless. At worst, purposely obstructionist. I see that more as a legit obstacle than an excuse.

Also, regarding Mueller, this ever expanding scope reduces the legitimacy of the mandate IMO. Maybe that's just me. I bought into the idea this was a professional investigation specifically into the election. Expanding the scope tells me they are finding nothing in their initial mandate, and the expansion casts doubt on the purpose being what it was sold to be. To me anyway.

So we will probably find out Trump is a shithead who has done business with other shitheads. And we will pretend to be shocked or care because we revere the sanctity of the office or something.

I wonder what we would find if we crawled up every precious president's ass to this degree.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

Also, regarding Mueller, this ever expanding scope reduces the legitimacy of the mandate IMO. Maybe that's just me. I bought into the idea this was a professional investigation specifically into the election. Expanding the scope tells me they are finding nothing in their initial mandate, and the expansion casts doubt on the purpose being what it was sold to be. To me anyway.

This right here. And let's not act like Mueller isn't cozy with the never-Trumpers and Democrats. He has some conflict of interest due to relationships with people like Comey. The expansion does nothing more to me than make it start to look like a witch hunt. If they didn't find anything within the original scope close it and let us move on from something that is reaching birther/truther level lunacy and obsession.

 

[purkey]

it's all still a big joke...and trump wins. Like always.

 

[NZ Poke]

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We're talking about Trump.

You post continually how the Republican Congress...McConnell, Ryan, most if not all of them, are against him. That's your excuse for why no significant legislation.

I'm gonna need you to define bloodbath. Democrats lose net seats in House and Senate? What? What does your boy Styxie say about this?

The election map is terrible for the Democrats next year.


And yes, the GOP establishment is part of the problem.

 

[CowboyJD]

A couple things.

The neocon congress is at best, useless. At worst, purposely obstructionist. I see that more as a legit obstacle than an excuse.

Also, regarding Mueller, this ever expanding scope reduces the legitimacy of the mandate IMO. Maybe that's just me. I bought into the idea this was a professional investigation specifically into the election. Expanding the scope tells me they are finding nothing in their initial mandate, and the expansion casts doubt on the purpose being what it was sold to be. To me anyway.

So we will probably find out Trump is a shithead who has done business with other shitheads. And we will pretend to be shocked or care because we revere the sanctity of the office or something.

I wonder what we would find if we crawled up every precious president's ass to this degree.

You'd get an impeached Bill Clinton. The investigation into a failed real estate deal ended up a sex scandal. It's the sex scandal that got him impeached.

I agree the neocon Congress isn't Trump's friend or ally. That was kind of my point in my original post. Then I get cheerleading on how the "Republicans" are going to destroy the Dems.

 

[CowboyJD]

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The map is terrible for the Democrats next year. (Not making predictions yet)


And yes, the GOP establishment is part of the problem.

You made a prediction. Dems are going to get "destroyed". I'm just asking you to define your cheerleading terms. It's not like I really expected you to do it though.

 

[CowboyJD]

This right here. And let's not act like Mueller isn't cozy with the never-Trumpers and Democrats. He has some conflict of interest due to relationships with people like Comey. The expansion does nothing more to me than make it start to look like a witch hunt. If they didn't find anything within the original scope close it and let us move on from something that is reaching birther/truther level lunacy and obsession.

Did you say the same thing about Whitewater?

Just curious.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

Did you say the same thing about Whitewater?

Just curious.

I was only 12 years old so I didn't say much about whitewater.

 

[Been Jammin]

1. Do you all expect this?

2. Do you think Trump should fire him?

3. Any predictions for what will happen if Trump does fire him?

4. I think Trump should fire him.

1. No. I don't think it will happen. Surely, Donny has someone, who he will listen to, that is smart enough to explain to him that it would be a mistake.

2. No. I think it would be a big mistake.

3. It would be the beginning of the end for DJT as POTUS. I suspect that there are a group of GOP Congressmen, who don't believe in DJT, but are supporting him along party lines. Firing Mueller might be what it takes to push them to the other side and turn them against him.

4. Of course you do.

 

[MegaPoke]

Welp. This seals it for me. If this lying neocon POS vouches for Mueller, Mueller has to go.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017...t-mueller-anything-but-a-biased-partisan/amp/

 

[NZ Poke]

Welp. This seals it for me. If this lying neocon POS vouches for Mueller, Mueller has to go.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017...t-mueller-anything-but-a-biased-partisan/amp/

This is very interesting, and troubling.

 

[Been Jammin]

This is very interesting, and troubling.

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Duh.

Sessions is afraid to make the radar of the CDS.

 

[aix_xpert]

I wouldn't fire him. But I would announce weekly in the press conference exactly how much the investigation has cost American Taxpayers. Basically, I'd end every Monday presser with the following sentence:

"We've now spent x million dollars investigating Russia and still no evidence." That's how you force the hand to either provide evidence of wrong-doing or wrap up the investigation.

 

[Been Jammin]

I wouldn't fire him. But I would announce weekly in the press conference exactly how much the investigation has cost American Taxpayers. Basically, I'd end every Monday presser with the following sentence:

"We've now spent x million dollars investigating Russia and still no evidence." That's how you force the hand to either provide evidence of wrong-doing or wrap up the investigation.

Only problem with that plan is that he is calling for a new investigation into Hillary. That investigation has already been completed by the FBI.

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

Only problem with that plan is that he is calling for a new investigation into Hillary. That investigation has already been completed by the FBI.

completed? it's just beginning.

 

[aix_xpert]

Only problem with that plan is that he is calling for a new investigation into Hillary. That investigation has already been completed by the FBI.

Not sure I follow. If a new investigation into Hillary were to be opened, then I guess it would come across as hypocritical, but given that a new Hillary investigation isn't likely (as you stated, the FBI has completed it already), I'm not sure how my solution doesn't drive Mueller to "S**t or get off the pot".

 

[Been Jammin]

Not sure I follow. If a new investigation into Hillary were to be opened, then I guess it would come across as hypocritical, but given that a new Hillary investigation isn't likely (as you stated, the FBI has completed it already), I'm not sure how my solution doesn't drive Mueller to "S**t or get off the pot".

I see your point.

Just seems hypocritical to be complaining about what one questionable investigation is costing the public while calling for re-opening of an already completed questionable investigation.

 

[aix_xpert]

I see your point.

Just seems hypocritical to be complaining about what one questionable investigation is costing the public while calling for re-opening of an already completed questionable investigation.

Agreed. My strat would require shutting up (yea, that's likely) about Hillary and other non-productive tangents.

 

[Medic007]

I see your point.

Just seems hypocritical to be complaining about what one questionable investigation is costing the public while calling for re-opening of an already completed questionable investigation.

I don't think Clinton campaign collusion with Ukraine officials has been investigated yet.

You also won't gain much traction on the results of the email investigation being anything other than partisan AG meddling. Everybody on the planet with a brain bigger than one cell knows why 33,000 emails were deleted, why devices were destroyed, why the server was wiped, like with a cloth, after the investigation began, and that Clinton and her staff routinely handled material classified at all levels on her private server. She didn't have that server for wedding plans and yoga routines. She had it to try to hide sleazy Clinton business while Secretary of State.

 

[CowboyJD]

I'm not sure how my solution doesn't drive Mueller to "S**t or get off the pot".

The system in place very effectively shields a Special Counsel/Investigator from political pressure like this.

If this was done, Mueller completely ignores it and goes on with his investigation. Short of getting fired, Mueller is largely immune to political pressure to end his investigation earlier than he thinks is proper. We haven't heard Mueller responding to Trump's tweets and Trumpie blog posts trying to pressure him to stop/quickly wrap up the investigation. Something like this wouldn't be any different.

IMO, a daily press announcement regarding the Russian investigation would do more harm to than good for Trump...just like his tweets are. IMO, he should go radio silent (like Mueller) on the Russia investigation and keep his powder dry for when a report is issued. If the report is largely favorable to him, blast away at the money wasted. If it is unfavorable to him, blast away at the credibility of the investigation team at that time. IMO, daily attacks on a Special Counsel appointed by his own appointee makes him look weak and like he has something to hide.

 

[CowboyJD]

Agreed. My strat would require shutting up (yea, that's likely) about Hillary and other non-productive tangents.

Which is something, IMO, Trump is pathologically unable to do.