Explain this to me

[86Poke]

White trash guy kills several black people in a church = Hate Crime

Self proclaimed racist black thug kills 5 white police officers = Gun control.

Another example of what a POS the POTUS is.

 

[Medic007]

White trash guy kills several black people in a church = Hate Crime

Self proclaimed racist black thug kills 5 white police officers = Gun control.

Another example of what a POS the POTUS is.

Despite the smartest man on the planet telling us that race is an issue, it isn't according to that same smartist man.

He has to evaluate these crimes against the crimes reported by the teleprompter. Only then can he see the true impact of his teleprompted speeches.

 

[davidallen]

White trash guy kills several black people in a church = Hate Crime

Self proclaimed racist black thug kills 5 white police officers = Gun control.

Another example of what a POS the POTUS is.

Ummm sorry if somehow this is too obvious to feed your outrage but theses crimes - could they both warrant a conversation about hate and whether we have a gun problem in America?

 

[poke2001]

Ummm sorry if somehow this is too obvious to feed your outrage but theses crimes - could they both warrant a conversation about hate and whether we have a gun problem in America?

What proposed gun laws would have prevented either of these events?

 

[davidallen]

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

No amount of anti 2nd Amendment gun laws would have prevented Dallas and the smart lefties know it. They just want guns in the hands of government exclusively. They simply want the guns and will use tragedies to promote their cause, even if they have to manufacture those tragedies.

 

[Headhunter]

I have asked this a dozen times.

With 300 million guns in America and more than that available around the world what gun law are liberals talking about that would prevent these shootings?

Background checks? Do Chicago gangs get background checks for the guns they use?

All I hear in response is crickets.

 

[MegaPoke]

Ummm sorry if somehow this is too obvious to feed your outrage but theses crimes - could they both warrant a conversation about hate and whether we have a gun problem in America?

We are constantly led into conversations about gun problems in a country that's had nearly a quarter millennium of gun ownership and access to semi auto rifles for at least 100 years - including a time when you could order a full auto Thompson submachinegun from the freaking SEARS catalog.

Jesus Christ, please tell me that YOU at least are smart enough to know you are being manipulated.

 

[MegaPoke]

I have asked this a dozen times.

With 300 million guns in America and more than that available around the world what gun law are liberals talking about that would prevent these shootings?

Background checks? Do Chicago gangs get background checks for the guns they use?

All I hear in response is crickets.

Bottom line, it's embarrassing to our globalist leaders that Anericans are allowed to own guns when their globslist partners have successfully disarmed their own countries. That's it. None of them give a single shit about black on black gun violence but most progressives eat it up hook line and sinker.

President dickface can't piece together what drives people who scream that they are killing for ISIS or that they hate while people, but he instantly knows the difference between garden variety police brutality and racism, minus any investigation. And further, he knows if he talks about gun laws, that'll drive the narrative instead of his own divisive rhetoric - even though the Black Panthers credit him with a call to action.

Crazy pills,

 

[poke2001]

So, you got nothing?

 

[CBradSmith]

If Libs would frame it as "People Control" instead of "gun control," maybe we'd all be inclined to approach causality in a more sober way, and just possibly, an honest conversation would begin.

"People control" just doesn't have the same ring to it, though.

 

[squeak]

Ummm sorry if somehow this is too obvious to feed your outrage but theses crimes - could they both warrant a conversation about hate and whether we have a gun problem in America?

Do we really have a gun problem?

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

White trash guy kills several black people in a church = Hate Crime

Self proclaimed racist black thug kills 5 white police officers = Gun control.

Another example of what a POS the POTUS is.

Hope this helps:

 

[MegaPoke]

Minnesota cop was Hispanic or Asian. So.... White enough! Evidently.

Hope this helps:

 

[TPOKE]

Looking forward to obama saying at the memorial, "if I had a son, he'd look like officer____."

 

[JimmyBob]

Looking forward to obama saying at the memorial, "if I had a son, he'd look like officer____."

You already know this will NEVER happen, so don't hold your breath. The real answer to your "blank" is "dead", but the POS will play the usual cards - Moe/Larry/Cheese, gun control, I'm the smartest MF ever, puke, puke.....

 

[davidallen]

So, you got nothing?

I have probably written a couple of 1000 words on this board on this topic. Sorry fellas, don't have it in me to go through it all again. A causal browse of previous threads would provide plenty of thoughts on the topic.

BTW: If you really believe you only get "crickets" when you ask this question, then you aren't paying attention... this is the single most "litigated" topic on this board in the past 5 years.

 

[davidallen]

We are constantly led into conversations about gun problems in a country that's had nearly a quarter millennium of gun ownership and access to semi auto rifles for at least 100 years - including a time when you could order a full auto Thompson submachinegun from the freaking SEARS catalog.

Jesus Christ, please tell me that YOU at least are smart enough to know you are being manipulated.

Manipulated? Not so much... am I at a point where I am tired of arguing for common sense things like licensing, liability insurance requirements, and sensible filtering of who can/should have a weapon.

To your history - this is also the country where you could buy and sell other humans - not quite out of a catalog but at your local town square. Thankfully we figured out that wasn't such a good idea too...

 

[MegaPoke]

Manipulated? Not so much... am I at a point where I am tired of arguing for common sense things like licensing, liability insurance requirements, and sensible filtering of who can/should have a weapon.

To your history - this is also the country where you could buy and sell other humans - not quite out of a catalog but at your local town square. Thankfully we figured out that wasn't such a good idea too...

Guess I missed that slavery bit in the bill of rights.

Do Me a favor and answer this. When your list of common sense things makes no dent in gun crime, will you then support more infringements? Or do you have a line in the sand somewhere?

 

[JimmyBob]

Do we really have a gun problem?

Guns will always be the "straw man" for the left.

 

[davidallen]

When your list of common sense things makes no dent in gun crime, will you then support more infringements? Or do you have a line in the sand somewhere?

My stance is what I say it is and I don't foresee that changing - let me flip the question - is your only objection to common sense refinements a fear of the slippery slope?

 

[davidallen]

Guess I missed that slavery bit in the bill of rights.

Bill of Rights or no - interesting that it took the 13th Amendment to fix it... In any case, our history is replete with examples really bad ideas being perfectly legal.

 

[MegaPoke]

My stance is what I say it is and I don't foresee that changing - let me flip the question - is your only objection to common sense refinements a fear of the slippery slope?

In a word, yes. I believe that specifically is the plan - to abolish the 2A by pieces. I believe globalists' goals are an Austrailian model - which Hillary herself has said we need to take a look at. There will always be a sensationalized event to use as an opportunity to scream for more.

That's why this is my line.

 

[MegaPoke]

Bill of Rights or no - interesting that it took the 13th Amendment to fix it... In any case, our history is replete with examples really bad ideas being perfectly legal.

Sure, but the Bill of Rigjts is untouchable.

 

[MegaPoke]

Bill of Rights or no - interesting that it took the 13th Amendment to fix it... In any case, our history is replete with examples really bad ideas being perfectly legal.

Although I reject utterly the misleading and loathsome term "common sense" as references more gun laws. We have plenty and most are poorly enforced. New ones will be too - by bad guys.

 

[davidallen]

Given bad guys always choose to break the laws - why have any at all?

 

[MegaPoke]

Given bad guys always choose to break the laws - why have any at all?

you can't think that was a strong reply. It's syskatine quality for crying out loud.

disappointing.

 

[Marshal Jim Duncan]

If there is one thing that government has proven adept at, it's common sense.

 

[Headhunter]

Given bad guys always choose to break the laws - why have any at all?

This is called the Pee Wee Herman response.

"I know you are but what am I?"

 

[davidallen]

you can't think that was a strong reply. It's syskatine quality for crying out loud.

disappointing.

Glad we agree as this is a very typical line of reasoning in discussing efficacy of any proposed limit on gun access... agree it is fracking lame to make arguments such as this (both pro and con) in the context of discussing gun control.

 

[davidallen]

So, you got nothing?

Sorry I don't meet your expectations ---- check that --- I don't give a crap if I meet your expectations. Contributing on this forum is something I enjoy, but I do it on my own schedule as I wish to.

 

[poke2001]

Sorry I don't meet your expectations ---- check that --- I don't give a crap if I meet your expectations. Contributing on this forum is something I enjoy, but I do it on my own schedule as I wish to.

I'm good with that. If I had nothing, I'd continue to reply and say nothing as well.

You are a good poster. You aren't like sys or up. You seem to think for yourself and aren't a party cheerleader. That said, I asked 1 very simple question that seems very difficult for the gun control nuts to answer. I'm genuinely curious to know if any of the proposed measures would have stopped any of the recent gun crimes.

 

[JimmyBob]

I'm good with that. If I had nothing, I'd continue to reply and say nothing as well.

You are a good poster. You aren't like sys or up. You seem to think for yourself and aren't a party cheerleader. That said, I asked 1 very simple question that seems very difficult for the gun control nuts to answer. I'm genuinely curious to know if any of the proposed measures would have stopped any of the recent gun crimes.

You, I, and "almost" everyone else on this board know the "real" answer, NFW! The straw man always works to deflect attention from the real problems which have been enumerated ad nauseam. Reminds me of having a one-sided, pseudo-intelligent conversation with our very smart poodle; nothing like - SQUIRREL - to deflect from the main topic.

 

[davidallen]

I'm good with that. If I had nothing, I'd continue to reply and say nothing as well.

You are a good poster. You aren't like sys or up. You seem to think for yourself and aren't a party cheerleader. That said, I asked 1 very simple question that seems very difficult for the gun control nuts to answer. I'm genuinely curious to know if any of the proposed measures would have stopped any of the recent gun crimes.

Just being a smart ass... I appreciate the give and take here, just have been underwater at home and professionally of late.

My take is generally tightening gun laws will reduce accidental and criminal misuse of firearms. Projecting to a specific incident is freaking hard and so subjective that I try and avoid that conversation. The Tampa incident is one fairly concrete example where a POI listing or no-fly listing would have kept the perp from legally buying weapons used in the attack. That supposes that he wouldn't have sought the same weapons elsewhere which is speculative at best...

 

[davidallen]

In a word, yes. I believe that specifically is the plan - to abolish the 2A by pieces. I believe globalists' goals are an Austrailian model - which Hillary herself has said we need to take a look at. There will always be a sensationalized event to use as an opportunity to scream for more.

That's why this is my line.

If the gun control crowd were smart they would go the route of the anti-abortion crowd - one state, one locality at a time. They lack the moral certitude of that crowd (the anti-abortion crowd that is) but it would be much more effective to attack gun shop proximity to schools (as Texas is doing with abortion clinics) on a state basis than trying to push through national legislation for example.

 

[MegaPoke]

If the gun control crowd were smart they would go the route of the anti-abortion crowd - one state, one locality at a time. They lack the moral certitude of that crowd (the anti-abortion crowd that is) but it would be much more effective to attack gun shop proximity to schools (as Texas is doing with abortion clinics) on a state basis than trying to push through national legislation for example.

I would be fine with it being a states rights issue frankly.

 

[Medic007]

If the gun control crowd were smart they would go the route of the anti-abortion crowd - one state, one locality at a time. They lack the moral certitude of that crowd (the anti-abortion crowd that is) but it would be much more effective to attack gun shop proximity to schools (as Texas is doing with abortion clinics) on a state basis than trying to push through national legislation for example.

The problem for them is the recent DC ruling. It's probably more difficult than ever to enact anything at the local or state level that would hold up to a federal court challenge.

Local stuff is easily defeated by moving to the next opportunity. State stuff is more difficult to circumvent because dealers in other states are wary of prosecution, but getting a majority in any state outside the liberal strongholds is impossible. And those regs enacted in liberal strongholds are precarious if they deviate from the recent ruling.

I'm all for ways to lessen opportunities for nefarious folks to get guns, but pushing the problem onto law abiding folks won't have any effect on the actual problem. Somebody in Washington getting paid giant dollars needs to start thinking outside the box (their party) for something as a solution that might actually make a difference.

We have crazy pukes and radicals driving the narrative with their actions. Some rights probably have to be violated to find those sickos. Which rights do we give up? That's where I'm all about infringing on the rights of the nefarious to preserve the rights of the rest of us.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

If the gun control crowd were smart they would go the route of the anti-abortion crowd - one state, one locality at a time. They lack the moral certitude of that crowd (the anti-abortion crowd that is) but it would be much more effective to attack gun shop proximity to schools (as Texas is doing with abortion clinics) on a state basis than trying to push through national legislation for example.

I agree but it seems as though major state issues end up at the Supreme Court unfortunately. e.g. Handguns in Chicago (2010) and abortion clinic standards in Texas (2016).