Electric cars..Honest ?
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Oh the government owns all land and distributes it out how it sees fit. No room for anything to go wrong there, SMFH.
I know a major step down from how land is distributed today where everything goes right
What's wrong with the current system? People that are productive have use of the land they purchased with the fruits of their labor.
I don’t know about you, but I sure trust my neighbor more than Brandon.
Current system is not all bad. The way offshore O&G blocks are managed is good. Also mining on BLM land is handled fairly well. But a lot of land is used inefficiently because the occupants don't bear any cash cost for the exclusion others from the land.
Who did they purchase it from and how did that person come to own land?
Weren't you just last week bitching about land use in SF?
Bitching? No I was laughing my ass off at the stupidity of leftist that refused to allow building and are now bitching about the cost of housing. WTF did they think was going to happen?
To the original poster, I recommend the following story:
climatechangedispatch.com
Its based on a WSJ article, but its paywalled so I linked elsewhere.
WSJ Writer Describes Her Electric Vehicle Road Trip From Hell
After driving a roundtrip from New Orleans to Chicago to test an EV road trip, our writer won't be doing that again.
climatechangedispatch.com
Its based on a WSJ article, but its paywalled so I linked elsewhere.
You ever wonder if you answer yer own questions? Maybe reflect just a little bit. Winds are mild tonight just in case the whispers are a little too loud. 😁
If you give this notion 5 second’s thought you will know how patently absurd it is. What is the rationale, the logic behind the belief that individual human beings should not be permitted ownership a parcel of land but all human beings could collectively own every square inch of the planet without causing complete and utter chaos? I can think of no logical way such a notion could be organized without creating massive confusion, resentment, fraud and other corruption that would lead to anything less than unbridled authoritarianism.
You want me to be more articulate? If no individual can own any piece of land, but every individual collectively owns all the land on earth, how is it organized so an individual can work any piece of land? Why would I, an individual living in Oklahoma City, have a say in what is done with and on a particular 40 acres in Moldova? Does every individual have to get permission from all 3 billion human beings before he can work a piece of land? Do all of us have to vote on what happens on the entirety of the planet - and which individual gets to live and/or work on any plot anywhere? That would be a lot of voting! Let’s start there and proceed to another thousand questions that will need to be answered in comprehensive order.
Dan we went over this just two posts ago. It is leased to the highest bidder. It's a market system. Do you vote on who gets drilling rights on each block in the gulf?
If all land on earth is collectively owned by every human being, then it stands to reason I should have a say in how the land in Moldova is used, doesn't it? Wouldn't that technically make me a citizen of Moldova?
Dan you are a very patient man. I'm not that patient with communists. Simply bravo. It has been comical watching Pilt talk around the biggest problem of communism, and what's more he is doing it on purpose. Pilt knows the answer but he will try to talk around it, and even step in it on accident a few times. It's the same every time. I have to say Pilt is getting better at trying to avoid the inevitable outcome. Marx would be proud of this student. I'm sure Stalin would find some use for Pilt as well.
Again, (tips hat to Dan) very patient man.
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Nice to see my tax dollars being used once again to manipulate markets.
Not that it’s in any way ‘new’ news
1. No one said all the land on earth is collectively owned by every human, it is owned by the state. Unless the US annexes Moldova, Moldovan land is Moldovan.
2. Only the lessee has a say in how the land is used subject to existing restrictions and regulations. The state's role is to determine the highest bidder, enforce the rights of the lessee, and to collect the proceeds. So no you are not a citizen of Moldova in any scenario.
Part of it is I am back to working hard again. If you'd asked me a year or so ago I would have said I put in plenty of effort at GCP, but damn this new gig is stretching me in all kinds of new ways leaving less for poking these yahoos.
I’m looking for your understanding of what a state is. Of course the state is composed of a small segment of a society. Therefore the land is owned by that small segment.
That's like saying the assets of a corporation are owned by the C-suite rather than the shareholders.
Yes the state is operated by a small slice of society, but it is on behalf of all of society who also participate in selecting those that operate it.
In the dreamy world of make believe that is what the state is. In the real world it is comprised of the same unethical and corrupt bureaucrats we all know and hate. And that, my friend, is where your dreamy world of "real socialism" falls on its face. I know you are intelligent enough to know that, so it's always a little startling to see you reprise the hoax as if you believe it.
Those same decisions that must be made under socialism are made today by the same unethical and corrupt humans only with more discretion, more incentive for corruption, and less accountability to the rest of society.
You were spot on right up to the end. You're fooling yourself if you think socialist bureaucrats that control who gets to live and work on what land will be less accountable, less corrupt or less driven by greed. A corrupt bureaucrat is a corrupt bureaucrat, and he won't care a whit if his corruption enriches him because of socialism or anything else. I don't disagree with you that bureaucrats in today's society are corrupt, in fact I probably despise them more than you do. But you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater if you want to replace today's corruption with the special blend of socialist corruption. Your "cure" will only prolong (and increase) the misery.
Flawed human beings at this very moment are deciding who gets to live and work on what land, and they have unlimited discretion, the upside to their greed is unlimited and there is no means at all for accountability
And making those human beings live under a socialist state will do nothing to change that. Human beings are flawed, some of them more corrupt than others, and the most corrupt of them are the ones attracted to the place where they can exercise the most corruption. Guess where that place is. The state!
Except it would limit discretion, limit incentive for corruption, and add accountability
That scenario sounds like the leadership of North Korea and China. Their means of accountability usually involves imprisoning or executing anyone who tries to hold them accountable.
You have to know better than that. Socialism wouldn't do any of those things. It would exacerbate it at the least.
Hitler did that with his night of the long knives. I have to say it was effective, he didn't have a lot people running around being corrupt and not being accountable. Hell, Romel had to kill himself for his failure.
