I think the entire man made climate change is complete bs. Honest question for the leftists? My family is driving nonstop to Colorado soon for vacation. How does that work out with the best of electrical vehicles? What damage to the environment does making these damn things cost? It is mind boggling how dumb the left is. Can't go roundtrip from Dallas to OKC in one of the damn things yet they are getting crammed down our throat.
Electric cars..Honest ?
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Your inconvenience and the vehicle’s impracticality are not their problem. It’s your problem. Now stfu and suffer.
Do as you are told and damn sure don't question your overlords or you will be punished.
I love the sound my Ram Hemi makes when I start it up. That alone is worth not switching to some dumbass EZ Go golf cart.
I always believe the truth is in the middle. It is arrogant to think that we as humans are controlling the very forces of nature. I also believe it's naïve to believe we have no effect. As we have been doing, keep making progress on polluting less and developing more energy efficient technologies and I think we'll be fine. They have jumped the gun on "green" as technology isn't at the point yet to where it is feasible, practical, or even somewhat realistic. Above all, drop the hammer on the countries that actually do most of the polluting instead of penalizing ourselves while China pumps the atmosphere full of pollutants.
I always believe the truth is in the middle. It is arrogant to think that we as humans are controlling the very forces of nature. I also believe it's naïve to believe we have no effect. As we have been doing, keep making progress on polluting less and developing more energy efficient technologies and I think we'll be fine. They have jumped the gun on "green" as technology isn't at the point yet to where it is feasible, practical, or even somewhat realistic. Above all, drop the hammer on the countries that actually do most of the polluting instead of penalizing ourselves while China pumps the atmosphere full of pollutants.
Biden Admin. Wants Rules to Push Electric Car Sales to 10X Current Levels
The Biden administration is reportedly planning to propose some of the most stringent automobile pollution rules in the world, which are meant to drive up sales of electric vehicles to ten times their current level so that up to 67 percent of new cars sold in the U.S. are electric vehicles by 2032.
www.breitbart.com
They are morons & the thresholds will never be met. Notice almost zero discussion of how they will triple the energy grid in 6.5 years to accommodate all these "EV'S." Then there is the small problem of always relying on the most rouge players in the world to keep up the supply of rare earth metals for the batteries. If I'm china am simply bribing people to keep pushing this nonsense which is going to help drive some of the conventional car companies to the abyss or over. Once the conventional car companies are past the point of ever really converting back to those magnificent internal combustion engines on cars, then the rouge players just shut off or greatly reduce the supplies of rare earth metals & you have pretty much driven the country to an almost full halt. The big questions would be who would be considered absolutely critical to have a means of private transportation & who wouldn't.....anyone want to guess the outcome of that strategy?
I have this crazy idea though. If you want to buy EV's & spend a week crossing Wyoming then please do so. If you want to spend 8 hours crossing wyoming on I-80 at 80+mph then buy one of those magnificent internal combustion engine God sends. I won't tell you what to drive & you don't tell me. Let EV's get to the point where the market dictates that more & more models are bought each year.
Here is my theory. It has only a little to do with concern for "climate change", yet the virtue signaling is nauseating.
I could build an electrical vehicle in my shop. Just supply me the lithium battery pack. I can weld up a frame and body, install servo motors connected to servo drives, and connect it all to the motion control controller. Mitsubishi, Allen Bradley and ABB make great off-the-shelf motion control systems. Even cheapo Automation Direct SureServo2's would work. Add a Maple HMI touch screen. Add gearboxes, inputs and outputs to all the bells and whistles, write the program.... I could have it up and running in 1 to 1.5 years. By myself. It would look like crap. I don't have the metal stamping, painting and injection molding facilities like the automotive vendors have. But it would drive.
So what's my theory? They are simple to build and the cost of building them is low compared to an internal combustion engine, drive train, differentials, etc. I can't build a gas vehicle in my shop.
The auto makers can build EV's with a lot less people... and material costs.
I'll drive my Jeep Wranglers in spite of them needing the occasional radiator, oil cooler and water pump. I'd rather work on them than drive a worthless EV.
I could build an electrical vehicle in my shop. Just supply me the lithium battery pack. I can weld up a frame and body, install servo motors connected to servo drives, and connect it all to the motion control controller. Mitsubishi, Allen Bradley and ABB make great off-the-shelf motion control systems. Even cheapo Automation Direct SureServo2's would work. Add a Maple HMI touch screen. Add gearboxes, inputs and outputs to all the bells and whistles, write the program.... I could have it up and running in 1 to 1.5 years. By myself. It would look like crap. I don't have the metal stamping, painting and injection molding facilities like the automotive vendors have. But it would drive.
So what's my theory? They are simple to build and the cost of building them is low compared to an internal combustion engine, drive train, differentials, etc. I can't build a gas vehicle in my shop.
The auto makers can build EV's with a lot less people... and material costs.
I'll drive my Jeep Wranglers in spite of them needing the occasional radiator, oil cooler and water pump. I'd rather work on them than drive a worthless EV.
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A battery with respectable range is expensive and heavy. The weight necessitates a sturdier chassis. All the stuff in an internal combustion engine vehicle that seems complex and expensive is actually pretty cheap and easy due to thousands of engineers over one hundred years squeezing all the cost out.
The legacy manufacturers resisted as long as they could because a lot of the value goes to batteries and battery raw materials and the service model doesn't really work for EVs
Speaking of legacy manufacturers, European forging companies have inundated the US, begging for the opportunity to have them quote forgings. EU automakers won't be buying many forgings as internal combustion vehicles are going away... even more so than here in the US. It is EU mandated. A huge reduction in pipelines too. The forgers are fighting for their lives. It is sad.
The only way I see greater acceptance of EV's is if a system is developed whereby a car with a low battery pulls into what we call a gas station today, and a fully recharged battery is quickly swapped out, sending the customer down the road. Now, that sucks, and it will cost a lot of $$$ to "fill up", but it eliminates the recharging wait that has so many people turned off on EV's.
China killed so many forge shops in the 2010s. Only reason to get US forgings these days is for specialties or short turns. Quality used to be an issue, but much less so now.
EVs will be adopted last in places where 400 miles isn't reliably enough range for a day (places like west Texas). Charge speed has improved quite a bit in the last 5 years and will continue to do so. By the time you have to seriously consider making the switch you'll be able to get a half charge in 5 minutes.
Idiot new York mayor shining with his shining face 🤣. I mean shining.
And this is why all the climate change pearl-clutchers deserve the middle finger.
It’s not about “saving the planet” (🤮🤮🤮). The fact that EV’s are going to be more expensive to the average Joe is a good indication that someone among the elites will be making significant money off of them. I do hope I live long enough to see those pricks get guillotined.
And I'll drive my 37 yr. old 944 (over 300k miles) and have whatever fixed whenever. FVCK EVs!!!
Honestly driving one small car for 37 years is more environmentally friendly than buying a new car of any sort.
Biden's and the Democrat's move to green energy, under the guise of the climate change, is nothing more than selling out the US to China.
www.foxnews.com
The leftist will scoff at the idea but these are the same deceitful people that refuse to acknowledge the existence of every slippery slope their policies create.
Chinese tech companies are exploiting US green energy goals, former State Department officials warn
Two former top State Department officials who served under the Trump administration are warning of China's plans to use U.S. green energy goals to their advantage.
The leftist will scoff at the idea but these are the same deceitful people that refuse to acknowledge the existence of every slippery slope their policies create.
LolBiden's and the Democrat's move to green energy, under the guise of the climate change, is nothing more than selling out the US to China.
Chinese tech companies are exploiting US green energy goals, former State Department officials warn
Two former top State Department officials who served under the Trump administration are warning of China's plans to use U.S. green energy goals to their advantage.
The leftist will scoff at the idea but these are the same deceitful people that refuse to acknowledge the existence of every slippery slope their policies create.
Sorry but that is some of the most obvious spin I have ever seen.
Ever notice when the facts go against the leftist argument the left refers to it as spin?
The Chinese control the majority of the resources needed to produce EV technology, not spin, fact.
Afghanistan may have the richest reserves of lithium in the world. Wonder why Biden was so interested to leave if he isn't in bed with the Chinese and he's intent on the US controlling it's own reserves?
Tell me you have no idea what's in the IRA without telling me you have no idea what's in the he IRA.
Afghanistan? Hilarious. If Afghanistan ever cracks the top 5 in lithium production I'll self ban for life.
IRA? Apologies but IRA is a retirement account to me, please be a little more specific.
I bought a battery mower I used it 5 times and sold it last week.
China makes the best Stainless steel out there for appliances. American stuff rust. They dilute the steel though.
China makes the best Stainless steel out there for appliances. American stuff rust. They dilute the steel though.
Exactly what, that I don't keep up with your leftist acronyms?
China Dominates the Rare Earths Market. This U.S. Mine Is Trying to Change That.
Mountain Pass sits at the center of America’s plan to rival China’s iron grip on critical rare earth elements used in advanced commercial and military technology.
www.politico.com
It's not like you don't know this, you just want to deny it for political reasons.
Really what's the point in arguing about this with the guy who doesn't know anything about the IRA?Exactly what, that I don't keep up with your leftist acronyms?
China Dominates the Rare Earths Market. This U.S. Mine Is Trying to Change That.
Mountain Pass sits at the center of America’s plan to rival China’s iron grip on critical rare earth elements used in advanced commercial and military technology.
It's not like you don't know this, you just want to deny it for political reasons.
Rare earths are not a critical component of EVs. Tesla used induction motors for a decade before switching to permanent magnets when the prices came back to earth.
Oh now I get it, you didn't want to mention the Democrat's dishonest and falsely named Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). LMAO what does that have to do with the fact China controls 80% of the minerals needed to produced the batteries required to power EVs?
Tell me you have no idea what's in the IRA without telling me you have no idea what's in the he IRA.
Also "China controls 80% of the minerals needed to produced the batteries required to power EVs" isn't remotely close to being a fact.
It's public law you can download it for free
You can tell us everything that’s in it for free, can’t you? Do us a solid and tell us the great stuff that’s in it that makes it great legislation. You know, all the marvelous tidbits that will guarantee some solid inflation reduction.
Your implication is you have studied it and know all about it. Why don't you give us an edited version that shows how it's going to reduce inflation?
The IRA and IIJA has billions of dollars for EV vehicles, including infrastructure like power stations that will be on every major highway. Soon there will be power stations no more than 50 miles apart on those highways. You will be able to charge in a few minutes. Battery ranges will exceed 1,000 miles soon. There will be wireless charging roads for EVs and buses that are equipped with wireless charging batteries.
The IRA and IIJA do a lot for EVs but nothing to reduce inflation.
The IRA and IIJA do a lot for EVs but nothing to reduce inflation.
You are never going believe the socialist position on whether labor should be compensated or not
You never know, I might surprise you. Does a self-employed person enter into the socialist equation on labor compensation?
