Covid baaaack??

[OSU_Sports_Nut]

Delta can mess you up if you have health issues and take no measures once you get it (vitamin c, d, zinc, etc). No idea why our government isn't pushing vitamin c, d, zinc, etc like they do vaccines

Exactly. everybody on here should order these vitamins and keep them on hand to take daily or for you or someone you love. That way if you do get Covid-19, you don't have to find these at the last minute and hope for the best. Early treatment with these vitamins is key.

Immune Boosting Vitamin Regimen (Covid-19)

DISCLAIMER: Always consult YOUR physician before adding any new vitamins or supplements to your diet. DO NOT take any of the maximum doses for an extended period of time (no more than 5-7 days). Be sure to read each pill label for minimum and maximum dosage information. Here's what a Covid-19...

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[MajorMike_Ret]

You know the government has a cure for cancer but they won't let people know because Big Pharma runs the government. Same thing with Ivermectin, they want Big Pharma to get the government COVID money, so they tell you it doesn't work and the media purposefully doesn't report on it. You should take as much Ivermectin and Hydrochlorique as you can buy from your vet store and pet store; don't let the media lie to you.

 

[SquinkY5786]

You know the government has a cure for cancer but they won't let people know because Big Pharma runs the government. Same thing with Ivermectin, they want Big Pharma to get the government COVID money, so they tell you it doesn't work and the media purposefully doesn't report on it. You should take as much Ivermectin and Hydrochlorique as you can buy from your vet store and pet store; don't let the media lie to you.

I brush my teeth with it every morning

 

[Dobsie]

Or it could be that MANY nurses, doctors, techs, etc did not want to get the vaccine and left their jobs because they were forced to leave. Somehow many people have forgetten that point. We supposedly have the worst pandemic in history that isn't more deadly than the average flu, but they're pushing out highly qualified health professionals. That makes no sense at all.

Well listen my Hospital never had a mandate, and will not as long as there is an injunction. Maybe you should learn that the field of healthcare is pretty darn worn out, and tired of dealing with stupid shit on both sides.

 

[OSU_Sports_Nut]

Well listen my Hospital never had a mandate, and will not as long as there is an injunction. Maybe you should learn that the field of healthcare is pretty darn worn out, and tired of dealing with stupid shit on both sides.

That's good your hospital didn't mandate the vaccine, but that's not most of the hospitals (i.e. 26 states read article below). Both of my cousins are nurses, one of their husbands is a nurse, two of our best friends are doctors, and one of my other cousins is nurse.

Court revives U.S. Covid-19 vaccine mandate for healthcare in 26 states

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans ruled that a lower court only had the authority to block the mandate in the 14 states that had sued.

www.cnbc.com

Yes, the ones that are dealing with Covid-19 patients are worn out. Most are sick and tired of the politics. One of them lost their job recently because she wouldn't get vaccinated. She was a Covid-19 nurse working in Branson. The other ones all gave in and got vaccinated. Some didn't feel like they had a choice because they have to provide for their families. I have three other friends who will be losing their jobs this month or next. Plus my wife will likely be losing her job because all of them are choosing not to get vaccinated, but none of them are in the healthcare industry.

 

[Dobsie]

That's good your hospital didn't mandate the vaccine, but that's not most of the hospitals. Both of my cousins are nurses, one of their husbands is a nurse, two of our best friends are doctors, and one of my other cousins is nurse.

Yes, the ones that are dealing with Covid-19 patients are worn out. Most are sick and tired of the politics. One of them lost their jobs recently because she wouldn't get vaccinated. She was Covid-19 nurse working in Branson. The other ones all gave in and got vaccinated. Some didn't feel like they had a choice because they have to provide for their families. I have three other friends who will be losing their jobs this month or next. Plus my wife will likely be losing her job because all of them are choosing not to get vaccinated, but none of them are in the healthcare industry.

None of this had anything to do with my initial comment.

So quite frankly I don't give a shit. You are trying to interject your opinion into what I typed, and it wasn't needed.

Now rationally think about this if all those hospitals are firing people who refuse would hospital systems like mine be operating with like 40% of the staff we had last year (even after trying to acquire travelers to replace staff that left)? Wouldn't they be getting an influx of healthcare workers from the other hospitals?

Healthcare workers are sick and tired of both sets of idiots.

If you all don't get your shit together (left, right, or center) you are going to force the rest to say screw it, it is not worth the hassle anymore and then everyone is screwed.

 

[long-duc-dong]

Once again a covid thread that has reaffirmed to me that no one here knows what the hell there talking about. Carry on.

 

[Been Jammin]

Did you understand that getting the vaccine doesn't keep you from getting or spreading Covid-19, but that is what the media and some political leaders have been pushing. Or we could all do what India did to defeat Covid-19 and take a real cheap drug called Ivermectin that's been available for over 30 years to humans. Additionally there's over 150 double blind studies that have been done showing its effectiveness, but no one's listening anymore because the vaccine is the only answer.

Ivermectin Information (Covid-19)

Ivermectin is an FDA approved drug for humans and is on the World Health Organization's (WHO) list of essential medicines. Did you know the creators of this drug won a Nobel Prize for their work? Ivermectin first appeared in the late 1970's and was initially introduced as a commercial product...

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Currently 90% of hospitalized Covid patients are people who were never vaccinated. But, tell me more about how the vaccine doesn’t help prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, and healthcare workers from being burnt out.

After that, show me all those Ivermectin articles that have actually been deemed to carry enough weight to be published in a legitimate medical journal.

If you don’t mind, I’m going to listen more to the actual physicians ITT, who are on the front lines, and in the thick of it, rather than listening to you.

 

[BIGOSUFAN]

Currently 90% of hospitalized Covid patients are people who were never vaccinated. But, tell me more about how the vaccine doesn’t help prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, and healthcare workers from being burnt out.

After that, show me all those Ivermectin articles that have actually been deemed to carry enough weight to be published in a legitimate medical journal.

If you don’t mind, I’m going to listen more to the actual physicians ITT, who are on the front lines, and in the thick of it, rather than listening to you.

Two states have stratified data as per vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalizations and deaths (Washington and the other escapes me). Neither showed a single death in a fully vaxxed under-65 patient. That’s pretty impressive. The vaxxed who are dying are old and unhealthy to begin with. And it’s fairly rare. The vaccine works pretty damn well to prevent serious illness or worse.

 

[riders03]

Currently 90% of hospitalized Covid patients are people who were never vaccinated. But, tell me more about how the vaccine doesn’t help prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, and healthcare workers from being burnt out.

After that, show me all those Ivermectin articles that have actually been deemed to carry enough weight to be published in a legitimate medical journal.

If you don’t mind, I’m going to listen more to the actual physicians ITT, who are on the front lines, and in the thick of it, rather than listening to you.

While I think there is little doubt that the vaccine has helped reduce cases and severity of Covid, I'd be interested to know where your statistics come from because they're a little different from what I've been seeing (I'm reading that ~ 60% of the hospitalizations are the unvaccinated). Also, I have a hard time with the idea that 75%+ of people are vaccinated/have natural immunity and yet we continue to see spikes in hospitalizations from just the unvaccinated. Not saying you're wrong, but at some point those numbers break down (originally herd immunity was supposed to be 70%, which we've exceeded, so either the herd immunity estimate was off or the vaccine is not as effective as believed).

With respect to Ivermectin and Hydroxycloroquine, it's become increasingly difficult to determine how effective some of these prospective treatments are given that there is so much suppression of information in social media and even from the medical leadership. I do know that my very liberal physician relatives prescribed Hydroxy to our most elderly family members as a proactive drug to use should they contract Covid and they prescribed Ivermectin (among other things) to me and my family when we got it. These are highly respected physicians whom I'm sure are up to speed on the latest medical studies from all over the world and I trust they wouldn't prescribe anything harmful to family, including their elderly mom.

 

[Big10Poke]

If everyone in the country was triple vaxxed, the virus would still be all over the place.

 

[TPOKE]

the commucrats hope these variants keep coming, they just see mail in ballots, drive through voting, ballot harvesting and stealing another national election. stacy abrams is cheering for covid.

And obese Black people are some of the highest risk. Believe it or not, her reasoning makes perfect sense to me.

 

[southernpoke]

Biden will save everyone.

 

[southernpoke]

That's right, stop testing so the virus will go away. It's right wing science.

Let’s Go Brandon!

 

[trapped_in_tx]

I’m not worried about getting the virus. I am worried about getting injured, or needing emerg ency care for some other reason, and not being able to get the care needed due to overwhelmed hospitals in the area. This would be less likely if more people were to get fully vaccinated.

It would also be less likely if hospital administrators weren’t trying to squeeze out every last penny of profit in a difficult situation and creating conditions that drive providers to quit.

 

[Colorado_Poke]

It would also be less likely if hospital administrators weren’t trying to squeeze out every last penny of profit in a difficult situation and creating conditions that drive providers to quit.

I think that varies by type of hospital. I spent around 2 weeks in the hospital in late 2016 and the only way to keep my sanity at night was to talk to the overnight nurses. I was in a nonprofit hospital but talked to several nurses that had previously worked in for-profit hospitals in the metro area. They were all adamant that the environment in the nonprofit hospital system was much more positive that the for-profit hospitals.

It's probably not always that way, but I thought it was pretty interesting at the time.

 

[Been Jammin]

While I think there is little doubt that the vaccine has helped reduce cases and severity of Covid, I'd be interested to know where your statistics come from because they're a little different from what I've been seeing (I'm reading that ~ 60% of the hospitalizations are the unvaccinated).

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/...zations-among-those-not-fully-vaccinated/amp/

The majority of COVID-19 breakthrough hospitalizations were of elderly people (ages 65+), whereas the majority of people not fully vaccinated and hospitalized with COVID-19 were non-elderly adults (ages 18-64). In addition, a greater share of people hospitalized with a breakthrough COVID-19 infection had a comorbidity than people hospitalized with COVID-19 who were not fully vaccinated.

We also find that breakthrough COVID-19 hospitalizations included fewer COVID-related respiratory complications or treatments, suggesting fully vaccinated patients hospitalized with breakthrough COVID-19 may have been more likely to be hospitalized for unrelated reasons. If this is the case, it would mean that the gap in risk of COVID-19 hospitalization between vaccinated and unvaccinated people is even greater than previously known.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm?s_cid=mm7037e1_w

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...vid-19-hospitalizations-involve-those-aged-65

https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html

 

[beeger43]

I’m not worried about getting the virus. I am worried about getting injured, or needing emerg ency care for some other reason, and not being able to get the care needed due to overwhelmed hospitals in the area. This would be less likely if more people were to get fully vaccinated.

The number of people who died at Stillwater Medical because they couldn’t find a bed to do a pretty standard medical procedure was not zero. That should never happen.

 

[Been Jammin]

With respect to Ivermectin and Hydroxycloroquine, it's become increasingly difficult to determine how effective some of these prospective treatments are given that there is so much suppression of information in social media and even from the medical leadership. I do know that my very liberal physician relatives prescribed Hydroxy to our most elderly family members as a proactive drug to use should they contract Covid and they prescribed Ivermectin (among other things) to me and my family when we got it. These are highly respected physicians whom I'm sure are up to speed on the latest medical studies from all over the world and I trust they wouldn't prescribe anything harmful to family, including their elderly mom.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8138637/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19-evidence-cant-seem-to-kill-it/

 

[launch]

So dangerous that they’ve cut loose medical staff reducing capacity and resources they then turn around tell people there aren’t enough of.

 

[EJV]

While I think there is little doubt that the vaccine has helped reduce cases and severity of Covid, I'd be interested to know where your statistics come from because they're a little different from what I've been seeing (I'm reading that ~ 60% of the hospitalizations are the unvaccinated). Also, I have a hard time with the idea that 75%+ of people are vaccinated/have natural immunity and yet we continue to see spikes in hospitalizations from just the unvaccinated. Not saying you're wrong, but at some point those numbers break down (originally herd immunity was supposed to be 70%, which we've exceeded, so either the herd immunity estimate was off or the vaccine is not as effective as believed).

With respect to Ivermectin and Hydroxycloroquine, it's become increasingly difficult to determine how effective some of these prospective treatments are given that there is so much suppression of information in social media and even from the medical leadership. I do know that my very liberal physician relatives prescribed Hydroxy to our most elderly family members as a proactive drug to use should they contract Covid and they prescribed Ivermectin (among other things) to me and my family when we got it. These are highly respected physicians whom I'm sure are up to speed on the latest medical studies from all over the world and I trust they wouldn't prescribe anything harmful to family, including their elderly mom.

There has been decent scientific data on both sides that therapeutic drugs that you mention (among others) may or may not help. What really ruffles my feathers is absolutely no governmental interest in looking into these and providing guidance......I guess we just take the vacine plus boosters and if they do not work then just die. There is absolutely no way that some of these do not work to deter death but how in the hell do we find out? Just waiting for phizer to come out with the mircale drug call Phizermectin. So disappointed. Talking points from everyone (press, govt, liberals) against Invermectin is that it is a horse pill. WTF? 4 billion doses given to humans that we know of. That right there is reason to have doubt. People are just looking for alternatives when facing death. No one thinks it is an end all be all, just other options that people can get behind.

 

[The Duke]

 

[squeak]

The number of people who died at Stillwater Medical because they couldn’t find a bed to do a pretty standard medical procedure was not zero. That should never happen.

Our healthcare system is broken. It wasn’t prepared and hasn’t adjusted.

 

[pokenrally]

That's right, stop testing so the virus will go away. It's right wing science.

Biden said he'd end covid and cancer, why hasn't he made progress on either front?

 

[vetmedpoke]

Biden said he'd end covid and cancer, why hasn't he made progress on either front?

If we only shut down for two weeks maybe this could happen.

Stay alone, so we can be together.

 

[pokenrally]

If we only shut down for two weeks maybe this could happen.

Stay alone, so we can be together.

Two weeks to stop the spread, here we are 90 weeks later.

 

[squeak]

There has been decent scientific data on both sides that therapeutic drugs that you mention (among others) may or may not help. What really ruffles my feathers is absolutely no governmental interest in looking into these and providing guidance......I guess we just take the vacine plus boosters and if they do not work then just die. There is absolutely no way that some of these do not work to deter death but how in the hell do we find out? Just waiting for phizer to come out with the mircale drug call Phizermectin. So disappointed. Talking points from everyone (press, govt, liberals) against Invermectin is that it is a horse pill. WTF? 4 billion doses given to humans that we know of. That right there is reason to have doubt. People are just looking for alternatives when facing death. No one thinks it is an end all be all, just other options that people can get behind.

Pfizer, Moderna, and BioNTech will make $34 billion in profit this year off of the “vaccine.” Not saying the jab doesn’t help, but what incentive is there for a company to pursue treatment alternatives to the jab.

 

[Utooopi]

Is it just me seems like Covid is really rearing it’s head in sports world right now both professional and collegiate levels. like Lots of cancellations and schedule changes.

I don't think Covid ever really 'went away' only to come back. I believe there were short periods of time the last two years where the infection rate trended down, but never really 'zero'd out'.

 

[OSU_Sports_Nut]

None of this had anything to do with my initial comment.

So quite frankly I don't give a shit. You are trying to interject your opinion into what I typed, and it wasn't needed.

Now rationally think about this if all those hospitals are firing people who refuse would hospital systems like mine be operating with like 40% of the staff we had last year (even after trying to acquire travelers to replace staff that left)? Wouldn't they be getting an influx of healthcare workers from the other hospitals?

Healthcare workers are sick and tired of both sets of idiots.

If you all don't get your shit together (left, right, or center) you are going to force the rest to say screw it, it is not worth the hassle anymore and then everyone is screwed.

So what's the answer? What's your solution to the problem? Here's my thoughts.

1) The government and all healthcare professionals need to be pushing early treatment with the following vitamin regimen as soon as a person starts having Covid-19 symptoms.

A) Liposomal Vitamin C
B) Vitamin D with K
C) Quercetin
D) NAC
E) Zinc Picolinate

2) Make Ivermectin more accessible to anyone wanting to get it for treatment or as a prophylactic. This is on the safest and most essential list on both the WHO and FDA's websites. It just hasn't been approved for treatment for Covid-19. However, all you have to do is look around the world and read all the studies to see its effectiveness.

Argentina’s IVERCAR Ivermectin & Carrageenan Study Shows Positive Results Targeting COVID-19

Based in the southern end of Greater Buenos Aires, Argentina, Eurnekian Public Hospital recently sponsored a clinical trial targeting COVID-19 called the IVERCAR study. The sponsor was joined by other local hospitals acting as trial site organizations. With study results in, the Argentinian...

trialsitenews.com

3) The first two things on this list will drastically decrease numbers in the hospital. Then the government needs to stop the mandate, which could bring back the approximately 25% of health care workers that were lost in some states.

 

[Dittykb]

Currently 90% of hospitalized Covid patients are people who were never vaccinated. But, tell me more about how the vaccine doesn’t help prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, and healthcare workers from being burnt out.

After that, show me all those Ivermectin articles that have actually been deemed to carry enough weight to be published in a legitimate medical journal.

If you don’t mind, I’m going to listen more to the actual physicians ITT, who are on the front lines, and in the thick of it, rather than listening to you.

What % of those are also obese and/or diabetic? I’m vaxxed but that is only one variable. I’m also in peak physical condition for a 44yr old and eat healthy. No one seems to care about the other variables.

 

[BIGOSUFAN]

What % of those are also obese and/or diabetic? I’m vaxxed but that is only one variable. I’m also in peak physical condition for a 44yr old and eat healthy. No one seems to care about the other variables.

The lack of a “get off your ass and workout vigorously 4-5x a week, it’s not ok to be obese” public health message is mind-boggling.

 

[NeekReevers]

The lack of a “get off your ass and workout vigorously 4-5x a week, it’s not ok to be obese” public health message is mind-boggling.

Actually you don’t need to do that to not be obese, just stop eating so damn much. That’s it. However, there is no profit in that through drugs, keto versions of pancakes, or expensive exercise bikes.

 

[SSS!!!]

Actually you don’t need to do that to not be obese, just stop eating so damn much. That’s it. However, there is no profit in that through drugs, keto versions of pancakes, or expensive exercise bikes.

It also doesn’t help that the cheapest easiest ways to eat in this country are the most unhealthy. I mean McDonalds actually upcharges to order bottled water rather than a Coke. We are getting off on a WHOLE other tangent that could go way down a rabbits hole though haha.

 

[Dobsie]

So what's the answer? What's your solution to the problem? Here's my thoughts.

1) The government and all healthcare professionals need to be pushing early treatment with the following vitamin regimen as soon as a person starts having Covid-19 symptoms.

A) Liposomal Vitamin C
B) Vitamin D with K
C) Quercetin
D) NAC
E) Zinc Picolinate

2) Make Ivermectin more accessible to anyone wanting to get it for treatment or as a prophylactic. This is on the safest and most essential list on both the WHO and FDA's websites. It just hasn't been approved for treatment for Covid-19. However, all you have to do is look around the world and read all the studies to see its effectiveness.

Argentina’s IVERCAR Ivermectin & Carrageenan Study Shows Positive Results Targeting COVID-19

Based in the southern end of Greater Buenos Aires, Argentina, Eurnekian Public Hospital recently sponsored a clinical trial targeting COVID-19 called the IVERCAR study. The sponsor was joined by other local hospitals acting as trial site organizations. With study results in, the Argentinian...

trialsitenews.com

3) The first two things on this list will drastically decrease numbers in the hospital. Then the government needs to stop the mandate, which could bring back the approximately 25% of health care workers that were lost in some states.

What is your background in medicine?

This list
A) Liposomal Vitamin C
B) Vitamin D with K
C) Quercetin
D) NAC
E) Zinc Picolinate

is the equivalent of telling someone to take vitamins, elderberry gummies, and vitamin c during the winter to help someone not get the flu. Sure it may work, but it often doesn't. None of that what you listed will prevent you from getting SARS-CoV2 it can help boost your immune system, but nothing more.


You can't just give random drug cocktails to everyone.

Hydroxychloroquine can cause retinopathy
Early symptoms include floaters, blurriness, dark areas of vision, and difficulty perceiving colors. Blindness can occur. Mild cases may be treated with careful diabetes management. Advanced cases may require laser treatment or surgery.

Hydroxychloroquine contraindications:

• low blood sugar
• G6PD deficiency
• low amount of magnesium in the blood
• low amount of potassium in the blood
• porphyria
• anemia
• low levels of a type of white blood cell called neutrophils
• alcoholism
• myasthenia gravis
• a skeletal muscle disorder
• maculopathy
• changes in the visual field
• prolonged QT interval on EKG
• chronic heart failure
• abnormal EKG with QT changes from birth
• liver problems
• decreased kidney function
• psoriasis
• seizures
• anemia from pyruvate kinase and G6PD deficiencies
• chronic kidney disease stage 5 (failure)

Ivermectin if not measured in the appropriate doses, or managed incorrectly can lead to liver, and renal failure.

Ivermectin Contraindications:

• asthma
• hepatic disease
• HIV
• Immunosuppressed patients
• pregnancy
• breastfeeding
• neonates, infants, children
• loa loa coinfection
• onchodermatitis

Now can this be a decent approach to helping people maybe, but these are not cure all wonder drugs.


HCQ, Azithromycin, and zinc did better at my hospital than anything with Ivermectin

But statistically they did not have that much if any significant effect, and we sent most of the research to the University of Minnesota.

Remdesivir was not that great either in fact it was the worst out of all listed so far.

The one thing that seemed to have the biggest effect was donated plasma from recovered SARS-CoV2 patients.

You are wanting to give Ivermectin to Covid patients, but many of them that end up in a stepdown, or ICU level treatment floors are already battling organ failure especially liver, and renal failure.

This is coming from the hospital that was the first in Oklahoma, and the world to put a SARS-CoV2 patient on ECMO. Again ECMO isn't for everyone. It's not good for patients with clotting disorders.

I was the first healthcare worker in the US along with my coworkers to be exposed with no PPE of any sort February/March of 2020.

We did research for the University of Minnesota at my hospital over Hydroxychloroquine.

I was one of the first test subjects for it.

This is an email I received before I went on a clinical trial. I have taken out all personal information of mine and the physician who contacted me.




The conditions of the study I was in March of 2020 well before this became politicized.

1. This isn't treatment, it's prophylaxis, which is part of the reason we used 5 days (no need to prophylax for the entire incubation period from time of exposure.
2. We used a loading dose on day 1, so we actually get to our target concentration very quickly.
3. Our dosing regimen was based on PK modeling, which our pharmacy colleagues performed, targeting a quick and sustained concentration modeled after the 2005 Vincent and Yao in vitro papers on SARS-CoV-1 inhibition with hydroxychloroquine.
4. Gautret's results are hard to interpret for any meaningfulness. They excluded those with negative results, altered treatments mid-study, did not describe how and where portions of their population were tested (some had reported Ct values, some did not), and seems to have chosen his regimen without much consideration of the prior literature.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638?query=featured_home

Read the research

This randomized trial did not demonstrate a significant benefit of hydroxychloroquine as postexposure prophylaxis for Covid-19. Whether preexposure prophylaxis would be effective in high-risk populations is a separate question, with trials ongoing. In order to end the pandemic, a reduction in community transmission is needed.

Their second trial of preexposure just wrapped up, and it concluded it had no statistical effect either.


You act like Doctors are just refusing treatment. Providers have literally been trying everything for the last two years, but when we show you the results you say they are being covered up. Do you understand how crazy that is? Why would we work tirelessly to cover things up when we are burned out.

At the end of this you will see most rural hospitals close down due to lack of staff, revenue to cover operating costs, and many other factors. You will see healthcare workers dwindle because we have to argue with loons from the left, and the right. We are abused daily by families, patients, and hospital administration.

 

[CBradSmith]

It also doesn’t help that the cheapest easiest ways to eat in this country are the most unhealthy. I mean McDonalds actually upcharges to order bottled water rather than a Coke. We are getting off on a WHOLE other tangent that could go way down a rabbits hole though haha.

You can buy 2 Healthy Choice frozen dinners at any Walmart, CVS, Walgreens, Kroger, Dollar General, and many gas stations for the same price as 1 Value Meal at MCD.

 

[SquinkY5786]

What is you background in medicine?

This list
A) Liposomal Vitamin C
B) Vitamin D with K
C) Quercetin
D) NAC
E) Zinc Picolinate

is the equivalent of telling someone to take vitamins, elderberry gummies, and vitamin c during the winter to help someone not get the flu. Sure it may work, but it often doesn't. None of that what you listed will prevent you from getting SARS-CoV2 it can help boost your immune system, but nothing more.


You can't just give random drug cocktails to everyone.

Hydroxychloroquine can cause retinopathy
Early symptoms include floaters, blurriness, dark areas of vision, and difficulty perceiving colors. Blindness can occur. Mild cases may be treated with careful diabetes management. Advanced cases may require laser treatment or surgery.

Hydroxychloroquine contraindications:

• low blood sugar
• G6PD deficiency
• low amount of magnesium in the blood
• low amount of potassium in the blood
• porphyria
• anemia
• low levels of a type of white blood cell called neutrophils
• alcoholism
• myasthenia gravis
• a skeletal muscle disorder
• maculopathy
• changes in the visual field
• prolonged QT interval on EKG
• chronic heart failure
• abnormal EKG with QT changes from birth
• liver problems
• decreased kidney function
• psoriasis
• seizures
• anemia from pyruvate kinase and G6PD deficiencies
• chronic kidney disease stage 5 (failure)

Ivermectin if not measured in the appropriate doses, or managed incorrectly can lead to liver, and renal failure.

Ivermectin Contraindications:

• asthma
• hepatic disease
• HIV
• Immunosuppressed patients
• pregnancy
• breastfeeding
• neonates, infants, children
• loa loa coinfection
• onchodermatitis

Now can this be a decent approach to helping people maybe, but these are not cure all wonder drugs.


HCQ, Azithromycin, and zinc did better at my hospital than anything with Ivermectin

But statistically they did not have that much if any significant effect, and we sent most of the research to the University of Minnesota.

Remdesivir was not that great either in fact it was the worst out of all listed so far.

The one thing that seemed to have the biggest effect was donated plasma from recovered SARS-CoV2 patients.

You are wanting to give Ivermectin to Covid patients, but many of them that end up in a stepdown, or ICU level treatment floors are already battling organ failure especially liver, and renal failure.

This is coming from the hospital that was the first in Oklahoma, and the world to put a SARS-CoV2 patient on ECMO. Again ECMO isn't for everyone. It's not good for patients with clotting disorders.

I was the first healthcare worker in the US along with my coworkers to be exposed with no PPE of any sort February/March of 2020.

We did research for the University of Minnesota at my hospital over Hydroxychloroquine.

I was one of the first test subjects for it.

This is an email I received before I went on a clinical trial. I have taken out all personal information of mine and the physician who contacted me.

View embedded media

The conditions of the study I was in March of 2020 well before this became politicized.

1. This isn't treatment, it's prophylaxis, which is part of the reason we used 5 days (no need to prophylax for the entire incubation period from time of exposure.
2. We used a loading dose on day 1, so we actually get to our target concentration very quickly.
3. Our dosing regimen was based on PK modeling, which our pharmacy colleagues performed, targeting a quick and sustained concentration modeled after the 2005 Vincent and Yao in vitro papers on SARS-CoV-1 inhibition with hydroxychloroquine.
4. Gautret's results are hard to interpret for any meaningfulness. They excluded those with negative results, altered treatments mid-study, did not describe how and where portions of their population were tested (some had reported Ct values, some did not), and seems to have chosen his regimen without much consideration of the prior literature.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638?query=featured_home

Read the research

This randomized trial did not demonstrate a significant benefit of hydroxychloroquine as postexposure prophylaxis for Covid-19. Whether preexposure prophylaxis would be effective in high-risk populations is a separate question, with trials ongoing. In order to end the pandemic, a reduction in community transmission is needed.

Their second trial of preexposure just wrapped up, and it concluded it had no statistical effect either.


You act like Doctors are just refusing treatment. Providers have literally been trying everything for the last two years, but when we show you the results you say they are being covered up. Do you understand how crazy that is? Why would we work tirelessly to cover things up when we are burned out.

At the end of this you will see most rural hospitals close down due to lake of staff, revenue to cover operating costs, and many other factors. You will see healthcare workers dwindle because we have to argue with loons from the left, and the right. We are abused daily by families, patients, and hospital administration.

It’s reminds me of the office episode where Pam argues and tries to correct the nurse about “nipple confusion “.

 

[HighStickHarry]

It also doesn’t help that the cheapest easiest ways to eat in this country are the most unhealthy. I mean McDonalds actually upcharges to order bottled water rather than a Coke. We are getting off on a WHOLE other tangent that could go way down a rabbits hole though haha.

food stamps are actually the cheapest way to eat and they don’t work at McDonald’s.

 

[HighStickHarry]

You can buy 2 Healthy Choice frozen dinners at any Walmart, CVS, Walgreens, Kroger, Dollar General, and many gas stations for the same price as 1 Value Meal at MCD.

@Been Jammin is going to go ahead and listen to the super smart and informed physicians, thanks anyway.

 

[poke2001]

I am vaxxed with moderna. Had not gotten booster. Tested positive yesterday, went to urgent care after feeling like crap for three days with fever/chills, bad cough and extremely sore throat, can barely swallow especially first thing in the morning . I assumed strep as I still have taste and small.

did a home test last night for independent confirmation and it was positive as well.

I have no idea where I came in contact.

so yeah omicron I believe it’s spreading faster

I’m sure after you gargle some semen all will be good. Good luck!

 

[beeger43]

While I think there is little doubt that the vaccine has helped reduce cases and severity of Covid, I'd be interested to know where your statistics come from because they're a little different from what I've been seeing (I'm reading that ~ 60% of the hospitalizations are the unvaccinated). Also, I have a hard time with the idea that 75%+ of people are vaccinated/have natural immunity and yet we continue to see spikes in hospitalizations from just the unvaccinated. Not saying you're wrong, but at some point those numbers break down (originally herd immunity was supposed to be 70%, which we've exceeded, so either the herd immunity estimate was off or the vaccine is not as effective as believed).

With respect to Ivermectin and Hydroxycloroquine, it's become increasingly difficult to determine how effective some of these prospective treatments are given that there is so much suppression of information in social media and even from the medical leadership. I do know that my very liberal physician relatives prescribed Hydroxy to our most elderly family members as a proactive drug to use should they contract Covid and they prescribed Ivermectin (among other things) to me and my family when we got it. These are highly respected physicians whom I'm sure are up to speed on the latest medical studies from all over the world and I trust they wouldn't prescribe anything harmful to family, including their elderly mom.

Ivermectin, when prescribed by a doctor, is harmless. Doesn’t seem to be much evidence it does anything against Covid, but most doctors are fine with trying it. It’s been around a long time. Early in my wife’s pregnancy, her doctor said if she got Covid he’d prescribe it for her (or administer it, whatever they do…) But a couple months later, he was like, “Yeah, so Ivermec’s a bust, but I can still give you some if you want me to.” But she’s a Covid researcher (like, in a science lab, not on YouTube) so she already knew that the first time he offered…

The problem with Ivermectin has always been people going to Atwood’s and buying the stuff made for cattle, which can be dangerous.