Coronavirus: What’s next?
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My job has put in a mandatory 14 day quarantine for anyone that travels internationally, to a "hot" state that has lots of active cases, or cruising. I found out yesterday and scheduled to go on a cruise next week.
Looks like I'm getting 3 weeks of vacation instead of one.
Looks like I'm getting 3 weeks of vacation instead of one.
This thing really shot down the Chinese cruise I was going to go on during spring break.
Vito household has been locked down. You don’t come in with out drinking a shot of bleach and getting a bleach bath
uo and oSu have been talking about going all online for two weeks after spring break. But then today someone I work with (at oSu CHS) heard from Stillwater that the governor will not let the schools do that. So who knows. Someone or several someones seems 100% certain to return from spring break with the virus.
First thing that needs to be done is for people to get through their thick-heads, that Covid-19 is NOT a flu or a cold virus. It may spread in much the same way, but it's about 3,000 (or more) times deadlier than the common flu virus.
NBA season is suspended and that's just the start of things. The scary thing is that it may very well be tempered by an early spring, but could spring back to an even deadlier form come next fall. (That's what the Spanish Flu did, back 100+ years ago.) The only saving grace is that medical breakthroughs in the interim could create a vaccine before then.
And no, antibiotics are NOT in any way effective against viruses, only potentially against bacterial pathogens.
NBA season is suspended and that's just the start of things. The scary thing is that it may very well be tempered by an early spring, but could spring back to an even deadlier form come next fall. (That's what the Spanish Flu did, back 100+ years ago.) The only saving grace is that medical breakthroughs in the interim could create a vaccine before then.
And no, antibiotics are NOT in any way effective against viruses, only potentially against bacterial pathogens.
I think it’s a buffer and they will outright cancel after Friday.
No. Two weeks is the worldwide accepted quarantine period. Most people exhibit symptoms inside of 5-10 days with two weeks being the far outlier.
You nor anyone alive can know if it’s 3,000 times more deadly or .00003 less. The only way to know for sure is to know how many people have it than extrapolate a %.
Also the “vaccine” for Spanish Influenza was thought to have killed as many or more people than the Influenza itself.
Like so many other “we’re doomed” sermons to the believing lemmings this will end up being mega overhyped.
Fauci just testified to Congress it was 10x more deadly than the Flu.
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It may certainly get worse but right now worldwide cases are at 100,000+ and killed 4,000+.
swine flu infected 61M Americans and killed 13,000 in 2009.
right now we just don’t know what we have. The precautions being taken aren’t crazy but at the same time they are unprecedented reaction.
swine flu infected 61M Americans and killed 13,000 in 2009.
right now we just don’t know what we have. The precautions being taken aren’t crazy but at the same time they are unprecedented reaction.
Also, the common cold is a....coronavirus.
As are SARS and MERS
MERS has a fatality rate of about 34% and SARS about 10%
Coronavirus is a large family of viruses. The common cold being part of this doesn't make any others less severe.
It does apear to be 10X more deadly than the flu right now. That's not the big concern. The big concern is the hospital system being overrun like it is on northern Italy. Every available hospital bed there is taken and they have converted their hallway spaces into makeshift ICUs. A significant number of corona patients need hospital admission (data suggest 10-20%, likely skewed higher due to mild/asymptomatic cases not being tested). So in northern Italy (which is wealthy and has a nice medical system) you literally don't have any hospital beds left and not enough physicians and ventilators. They are choosing which patients get to live and which ones don't get adequate care. People going to the hospital with strokes and heart attacks are not being admitted. There is a critical shortage of anesthesiologists. Your wife is in labor? Yeah no epidural today, there is no anesthesiologist available, sorry, she's just going to have to tough it out. The measures in place are to prevent that from happening here. It would be a disaster if it happened here. People downplaying this are akin to the "vaccines cause autism" crowd. We shouldn't panic but some common sense measures can stop the spread, prevent the medical system from being overloaded and potentially save the lives of a lot of grandparents. Our trajectory is almost exactly 12 days behind Italy.
https://www.newsweek.com/young-unaf...d-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797
https://www.newsweek.com/young-unaf...d-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797
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The latest WHO estimate had the death rate at 3.4%, which is 34x (or 3400%) the death rate of the common flu (0.1%). So that number isn’t coming from nowhere.
That’s likely quite high considering the number of undocumented cases that are out there, but to act like this is “just the flu” and isn’t at least potentially serious is foolish.
I jokingly asked one of our principals last night if Rudy Gobert just bought us an extra week of Spring Break. Another principal responded and said "Maybe two, we'll know by Friday." It's going to be like the teacher walkout all over again.
Having spent years in Atlanta I have a few friends at the CDC. One told me the issue is not knowing right away which can cause fibrosis with the virus getting into the lungs. However if you drink lots of water it will wash down to stomach and stomach acid will kill it. Best self test is to hold your breath 10 seconds and if you don’t have tightness, discomfort or coughing you don’t have the virus.
From Dr. James Phillips (OSU alum, former Corral poster and ER doc/Disaster Medicine specialist who has been on CNN and Fox a bunch lately):
"Friends and family, I just wanted to say thank you again for all the support. Media is a new thing for me, and I'm learning along the way. I just want to express some concerns. First, as you all have seen tonight from Trump, the NBA, NCAA, University closings, and Tom Hanks even, that things are getting more serious in America. Those of us living and breathing this pandemic 24 hours a day have foreseen these events for weeks, so we are not surprised, and it is going to get worse. Today is one of the inflection points we will look back on because this is historical time. You will remember this pandemic for the rest of your lives. Expect all sports and the Olympics to cancel or postpone. Expect graduations to be canceled. Expect businesses to close. I am preparing for those things. I am not an alarmist, and I am not a sunshine-pumper. I am an academic guided by the evidence and an oath-sworne physician. Everyone needs to take this situation very seriously.
First, on the medical side of things, a lot of older, sicker folks are going to get very ill. Many will die despite our best efforts. This is a fact. It has started, and the virus will continue to spread. Stay home if you can and do not overwhelm the healthcare system.
Second, there are serious societal effects that you all are starting to see. These will accelerate dramatically over the next week, and I think American society will be very different very soon. Temporarily. Again, the mortality rate of this virus is probably around 1-2 percent, as the oft shared Fox News interview I provided highlights (based on the Chinese data). Please be careful if you only get your news there, I think what they are doing is dangerous. I will not return to the channel again because the physicians on their staff are irresponsible, to say the least. However, in addition to writing, I will be on CNN a lot more over the coming months. Half of you will never watch it due to political beliefs. I get it. There are much better sources for medical insight and information than cable news anyway.
But if you do watch, I promise that I will never lie to you, I will avoid politics whenever possible, and I will do my best to keep you all safe. If you are not a CNN watcher, I totally understand. If you are looking for a reliable physician source, please listen to every word that comes out of Dr. Fauci's mouth. I do. But please be wary of what President Trump is telling you, the measures he is taking during this pandemic, and the untruths about antivirals and vaccines coming. They are not. Physicians know this. Shutting down European travel will not keep you safe, the virus is already spreading in your state.
Instead, prepare to hunker down for a few weeks, but do not hoard. Bring your parents home from the nursing home for a bit if you can, things are going to get very bad there. I apologize if this post gives some of you anxiety, but I don't care because you need to hear it from someone you trust. This is not the flu, there is no reason to believe it will go away soon, and a very large number of vulnerable people will probably die around the world. You need to be prepared that this will change your lifestyle. Schools will close. You will be off work. Try not to be scared for your health, be prepared and preventive. From a societal standpoint, things are going to get rocky for a while, and you need to be prepared so you are not caught off guard.
Your life is important to me and I want to educate you on how to stay safe through this. Do not minimize this event, and do not panic. Listen to physicians, not politicians and pundits."
"Friends and family, I just wanted to say thank you again for all the support. Media is a new thing for me, and I'm learning along the way. I just want to express some concerns. First, as you all have seen tonight from Trump, the NBA, NCAA, University closings, and Tom Hanks even, that things are getting more serious in America. Those of us living and breathing this pandemic 24 hours a day have foreseen these events for weeks, so we are not surprised, and it is going to get worse. Today is one of the inflection points we will look back on because this is historical time. You will remember this pandemic for the rest of your lives. Expect all sports and the Olympics to cancel or postpone. Expect graduations to be canceled. Expect businesses to close. I am preparing for those things. I am not an alarmist, and I am not a sunshine-pumper. I am an academic guided by the evidence and an oath-sworne physician. Everyone needs to take this situation very seriously.
First, on the medical side of things, a lot of older, sicker folks are going to get very ill. Many will die despite our best efforts. This is a fact. It has started, and the virus will continue to spread. Stay home if you can and do not overwhelm the healthcare system.
Second, there are serious societal effects that you all are starting to see. These will accelerate dramatically over the next week, and I think American society will be very different very soon. Temporarily. Again, the mortality rate of this virus is probably around 1-2 percent, as the oft shared Fox News interview I provided highlights (based on the Chinese data). Please be careful if you only get your news there, I think what they are doing is dangerous. I will not return to the channel again because the physicians on their staff are irresponsible, to say the least. However, in addition to writing, I will be on CNN a lot more over the coming months. Half of you will never watch it due to political beliefs. I get it. There are much better sources for medical insight and information than cable news anyway.
But if you do watch, I promise that I will never lie to you, I will avoid politics whenever possible, and I will do my best to keep you all safe. If you are not a CNN watcher, I totally understand. If you are looking for a reliable physician source, please listen to every word that comes out of Dr. Fauci's mouth. I do. But please be wary of what President Trump is telling you, the measures he is taking during this pandemic, and the untruths about antivirals and vaccines coming. They are not. Physicians know this. Shutting down European travel will not keep you safe, the virus is already spreading in your state.
Instead, prepare to hunker down for a few weeks, but do not hoard. Bring your parents home from the nursing home for a bit if you can, things are going to get very bad there. I apologize if this post gives some of you anxiety, but I don't care because you need to hear it from someone you trust. This is not the flu, there is no reason to believe it will go away soon, and a very large number of vulnerable people will probably die around the world. You need to be prepared that this will change your lifestyle. Schools will close. You will be off work. Try not to be scared for your health, be prepared and preventive. From a societal standpoint, things are going to get rocky for a while, and you need to be prepared so you are not caught off guard.
Your life is important to me and I want to educate you on how to stay safe through this. Do not minimize this event, and do not panic. Listen to physicians, not politicians and pundits."
Per the Mayo Clinic
“Although many types of viruses can cause a common cold, rhinoviruses are the most common culprit.”
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/common-cold/symptoms-causes/syc-20351605
100%. No need to panic but I'm not sure how anyone can see what is going on in Italy right now and think precautions being taken here are overblown and this is media hype. Some reports the death rate has risen pretty dramatically in the last 24 hours in Italy.
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