F*** people up who don't comply? Especially kids.
The words of Bernie Mac in kings of comedy just ring true to me.
The words of Bernie Mac in kings of comedy just ring true to me.
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F*** people up who don't comply? Especially kids.
The words of Bernie Mac in kings of comedy just ring true to me.
If you cant figure out how to get a small teenage girl sitting in a chair out of a classroom without slinging her around everywhere, you probably shouldn't be an authority figure.
I just get irritated in these stories because not one time has the media questioned why the student wouldn't comply with what she had been asked to do by the teacher and other authority figures before it even got to that point. I'm sure that is not the way the officer wanted it to go but it's really not easy to get a person out of a desk like that if they don't want to get out. It looks bad but what else was he supposed to do? It's like the guy selling cigarettes in New York that died....everyone kept saying they shouldn't have used that much force for an offense so minor but there are only two options for an officer if the person won't comply, do nothing or force them to comply. If the choice is do nothing then what is the point of having police officers. It's time the spotlight was focused on the offenders and not the officers that are simply doing what they've been hired to do.
All of this negative attention and finger pointing at cops is starting to come home to roost in my opinion. Kids that are a POS because their parents are a POS are encouraged to do this crap by the way the media and society looks at this incident. Now this girl is some kind of civil rights hero and the cop is a racist jerk. How are police officers supposed to have the respect of the community to do their job when this is how they are treated? I've run into plenty of jerk cops in my life and there are plenty of incidents when the cops deserve to fry, but these days they NEVER get the benefit of the doubt.
So what would you have done? It took three people to get to the point of what we saw on the video.
Agree with much of what you say, but there's a professional middle ground between slinging her chair to the ground like an ignorant troll, and politely begging her to comply like a p&^%y.. That over the top type of police behavior, after decades of being trained and conditioned that this is acceptable cop procedure, is doing them no favors.I just get irritated in these stories because not one time has the media questioned why the student wouldn't comply with what she had been asked to do by the teacher and other authority figures before it even got to that point. I'm sure that is not the way the officer wanted it to go but it's really not easy to get a person out of a desk like that if they don't want to get out. It looks bad but what else was he supposed to do? It's like the guy selling cigarettes in New York that died....everyone kept saying they shouldn't have used that much force for an offense so minor but there are only two options for an officer if the person won't comply, do nothing or force them to comply. If the choice is do nothing then what is the point of having police officers. It's time the spotlight was focused on the offenders and not the officers that are simply doing what they've been hired to do.
All of this negative attention and finger pointing at cops is starting to come home to roost in my opinion. Kids that are a POS because their parents are a POS are encouraged to do this crap by the way the media and society looks at this incident. Now this girl is some kind of civil rights hero and the cop is a racist jerk. How are police officers supposed to have the respect of the community to do their job when this is how they are treated? I've run into plenty of jerk cops in my life and there are plenty of incidents when the cops deserve to fry, but these days they NEVER get the benefit of the doubt.
Well going for a choke hold right off the bat in a non violent situation seems like a pretty bad way to start it.
I'm obviously not trained in these matters but I would have just grabbed the desk, drug it and her out backwards. (as I've seen my teachers do back when I was a kid) If she escalates it into a physical altercation then step up your response.
Let's say he does that. She gets violent with him and he reacts the way he did in the video. You think the narrative from the media would change about this guy? White cop, black girl, over the top reaction. Lose lose situation for this guy.
So you admit it was an over the top reaction? That's the whole point here isn't it?
No. That's what the narrative would have been.
I'm in agreement with High Sticks original post so you know where I stand on the issue.
My misunderstanding then.
To answer your question knowing that..
Let's say he does that. She gets violent with him and he reacts the way he did in the video. You think the narrative from the media would change about this guy? White cop, black girl, over the top reaction. Lose lose situation for this guy.
What the media might think in an alternate situation doesn't change the fact that what he did here was over the top. I can't predict what the media might have thought if he would have been more restrained in the beginning then appropriately applied more force once she became violent, but I would personally have agreed with his actions more.
He did not only endanger her here, he endangered those around her.
F*** people up who don't comply? Especially kids.
The words of Bernie Mac in kings of comedy just ring true to me.
I think you're being dishonest if you don't think the media would have gone after this guy the same way regardless of what she did to provoke him (short of having a weapon).
I think you didn't even read my reply.
Sure I did. You said you couldn't predict what the media might have thought. I think the media would have done or thought the exact same thing regardless. All I did was challenge your assertion. No big deal.
What happens if somehow, while you're dragging the desk, the student gets hurt? Desk flips over and bashes her head? Then you and your former job are SOL.Well going for a choke hold right off the bat in a non violent situation seems like a pretty bad way to start it.
I'm obviously not trained in these matters but I would have just grabbed the desk, drug it and her out backwards. (as I've seen my teachers do back when I was a kid) If she escalates it into a physical altercation then step up your response.
What happens if somehow, while you're dragging the desk, the student gets hurt? Desk flips over and bashes her head? Then you and your former job are SOL.
If my kid acted like this, my response would have made the cops actions look loving.
It is an alternative situation, but can have the same result. Either way, the child is somehow the victim.Wait... so its better to FLIP her and the chair over on purpose, and then THROW her, than some scenario where her and the chair might ACCIDENTALLY get flipped over?
It is an alternative situation, but can have the same result. Either way, the child is somehow the victim.
Insubordination is unacceptable on any levels, no complaints on using force.
Lucky for me my kid behaves.If you do something worse than that to a 16 year old girl, your ass should be in jail.
I'm a little worried so many of you think that is a perfectly acceptable way for authority figures to treat a-hole teenagers.
long-duc-dong,
You might want to remember that you are talking to a group who by in large consists of those who were once themselves a-hole teenagers. (likely including yourself.)
I don't know, I look at things going on my son's school (my alma mater) and I have to say it's a different world, but in many respects for the better. I can remember back in my day racism was pretty commonplace, those who were mentally handicapped were often derided and made fun of, school bullying was much more rampant, and God forbid if someone suspected another student of being gay, etc.
Most of those "issues" are now, for the most part distant memories and it's not only being driven by "the authorities" that be, most of the changes have been brought about by peer pressure. The students I know (in my son's peer group) are fairly respectful and do not display so many of the negative traits I remember being pretty prevalent in my own peer group who certainly displayed some of the bad behavior I identified above.
The kids I hung out with were for the most part run-of-the-mill "avg" kids for the time, not the "hoods" or the "dopers" of the era, it was just because those attitudes and actions were much more prevalent back at that time.