After the wall goes up what is your immigration reform
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Path to citizenship for DACA.
Whatever it takes to decrease the green card and other immigration application waiting times backlog which can be a decade or more.
Increased number and availability of temporary worker visas.
All I got so far.
Whatever it takes to decrease the green card and other immigration application waiting times backlog which can be a decade or more.
Increased number and availability of temporary worker visas.
All I got so far.
I’m with you so far. What about registering all undocumented? No voting rights, but some sort of back taxes or fines. Also tax remittances. Of course drivers license, access to credit, education, health care etc.
Force all stare/local law enforcement to communicate with federal law enforcement.
End catch and release.
Force all stare/local law enforcement to communicate with federal law enforcement.
End catch and release.
I think if you combine JD and Highstick's recommendations along with ending chain migration and birth right citizenship you have a very solid reform package.
Don't start no common sense folk thread 'round here.
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Registration of undocumented?
Why not continued deportation...back of the now new and better, faster, line?
Forcing all state/local law enforcement to communicate (or cooperate) with federal law enforcement? Generally against that type of thing. Federalism/states’ rights and all that. Immigration is a federal issue, let the feds enforce it. Forcing state/local law enforcement to enforce federal law or cooperate in its enforcement violates the Constitution. I felt the same way when the early provisions of the Brady Act forced local sheriffs to do the background checks that later ended up being done by NICS. Printz v. United States.
Such a precedent would also have implications in the marijuana arena regarding states rights to make it legal under state law. Forcing local/state to communicate or cooperate with DEA to bust marijuana dealers legal under state law? Pass.
I’m against ending both of those....one of them is constitutional in nature as well.
Pass a law that bans the TV show 90 Day Fiance. Make sequels punishable by death.
Basically what we (more particularly you with your talk of legalization and allowing undocumented aliens to stay) are describing is another round of something similar to the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986....except with a claim that the border will really be secure...like really, really, really secure...THIS TIME.
We also need to toughen the penalties against employers and industry for hiring undocumented workers not eligible to work here....addressing BOTH the supply and demand sides of this issue.
It is possible for you to make a post without referencing any of us? Are you intellectually capable of that? I’ll be seriously impressed when the day comes. Until then, your empty lectures on life and posting habits and the like ring hollow, and you are showing your ass on a regular basis.
Grow up...and maybe I’ll starting posting at you with some respect. You want it? Gotta give it man. You’re no better than me...at all. The fact that you resort to talking down to people is a byproduct of your inadequacies.
It’s not earning you extra likes on here.
I think you enable a 1 time illegal immigrant registration program that aligns to a path of citizenship enacted with a zero tolerance, deportation program for any identified, unregistered aliens. I do agree with a more streamlined and efficient green card and H1B process. I'm more against than for the increased number of work visas, as that's abused by the consulting companies and does deflate wages across the working class spectrum, although I recognize the counter arguments that these companies would just take those jobs to those countries and eliminate the US positions entirely (more viable to some employers and industries than others).
If you are a current illegal alien then there could be a path to permanent resident status - but not citizenship. Pay a fine, back taxes, etc.
If you are a current DACA alien,then there could be a path to citizenship. But only after the backlog of current applicants are caught up.
Fix the legal immigration process to be much quicker. But reduce the number of Visas issued to Chinese nationals.
Realize that not all immigrants want or need to become permanent residents or citizens. Make it much easier to get a temporary visa for a seasonal migrant worker. And if your background can't be verified with some authoritative documentation then you don't get or or the onus is on you to provide it. So yeah, if you come from war torn Syria and you have no way to prove you are who you are - then I'm sorry but you are out of luck.
If you are a current DACA alien,then there could be a path to citizenship. But only after the backlog of current applicants are caught up.
Fix the legal immigration process to be much quicker. But reduce the number of Visas issued to Chinese nationals.
Realize that not all immigrants want or need to become permanent residents or citizens. Make it much easier to get a temporary visa for a seasonal migrant worker. And if your background can't be verified with some authoritative documentation then you don't get or or the onus is on you to provide it. So yeah, if you come from war torn Syria and you have no way to prove you are who you are - then I'm sorry but you are out of luck.
The border needs to be as secure as possible before I support anything for illegals staying here.
Absolutely need to stick it to the employers who knowingly hire. What are the penalties now?
How fast can the line be? I have no idea what the ceiling is for a government agency to operate like a well oiled machine.
The marijuana deal is a cluster. It makes zero sense in the way it is in contrast right now.
How about by “forced” we use a rifle instead of a shotgun? To me some local authorities are harboring illegals by refusing to cooperate. If ice asks okc police for info, is it case by case if they want to participate? Could there be specific legislation that deals with non citizens?
Not really sure what you are saying here. If the Supremes said Sheriifs couldn’t be forced to do background checks for the feds, I don’t see how you use a rifle instead of a shotgun (metaphorically) that can constitutionally require locals to essentially do background checks or detain people for the feds.
Refusing to cooperate doesn’t come close to the legal definition of harboring.
One example is for people who have already committed a crime. A background check is not.
Without reading any replies or the OP beyond the heading (so I'm probably repeating something that's already been said):
I propose a big olive branch to the "dreamers" and some legit fast track path to citizenship - forgiveness of fake SS cards etc. It's not their fault their parents did what we would probably do for our kids and took advantage of a purposely shitty, dangerous, subjugating system that rewards black market slavers, cartels and coyotes. People here working, being good residents and being productive need a path to full membership. And this silly and lazy 'fear of brown people' charge of racism towards everyone who wants a wall can be swept away with the stroke of a pen. That would shake up the voting demographics bigly.
Conversely, I would make it clear that turning a blind eye to illegal immigration ends with that act of benevolence, and that in the future there will be a zero tolerance policy at the gates of the wall/fence/whatever and asylum seekers will remain on the other side of the wall or some middle ground holding area until approved, and people going over/under/through the barrier will be automatically arrested and either imprisoned or deported depending on their criminal status with no hope of future assimilation. And, no more anchor babies, period.
I would also implement an assimilation program for the dreamers/asylum seekers that requires them to integrate culturally into America in a melting pot fashion rather than celebrating their diversity in homogenous enclaves. We need to emphasize pushing immigrants who bring talents and skills to the table above others and we need to give priority to people wanting to become Americans, not Mexicans and Central Americans abroad.
To me, approving the wall with the caveat that DACA be approved and updated would be the obvious counterproposal from NanChuck right now. If they don't do that, the wall gets done anyway and they lost their leverage to claim that. In other words, Trump not only gets his wall, looks like a savior of DACA but owes NanChuck nothing when they try to push legislation through the senate to his veto stamp. Really dumb move IMO.
I propose a big olive branch to the "dreamers" and some legit fast track path to citizenship - forgiveness of fake SS cards etc. It's not their fault their parents did what we would probably do for our kids and took advantage of a purposely shitty, dangerous, subjugating system that rewards black market slavers, cartels and coyotes. People here working, being good residents and being productive need a path to full membership. And this silly and lazy 'fear of brown people' charge of racism towards everyone who wants a wall can be swept away with the stroke of a pen. That would shake up the voting demographics bigly.
Conversely, I would make it clear that turning a blind eye to illegal immigration ends with that act of benevolence, and that in the future there will be a zero tolerance policy at the gates of the wall/fence/whatever and asylum seekers will remain on the other side of the wall or some middle ground holding area until approved, and people going over/under/through the barrier will be automatically arrested and either imprisoned or deported depending on their criminal status with no hope of future assimilation. And, no more anchor babies, period.
I would also implement an assimilation program for the dreamers/asylum seekers that requires them to integrate culturally into America in a melting pot fashion rather than celebrating their diversity in homogenous enclaves. We need to emphasize pushing immigrants who bring talents and skills to the table above others and we need to give priority to people wanting to become Americans, not Mexicans and Central Americans abroad.
To me, approving the wall with the caveat that DACA be approved and updated would be the obvious counterproposal from NanChuck right now. If they don't do that, the wall gets done anyway and they lost their leverage to claim that. In other words, Trump not only gets his wall, looks like a savior of DACA but owes NanChuck nothing when they try to push legislation through the senate to his veto stamp. Really dumb move IMO.
How is it that this thread has zero ideas from those we would consider left of center on this board? Clint posted, but only to whine about being called out to join the thread. Do you all have your own positions, or is your entire immigration stance just "anything against Trump?"
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BeenJammin is knuckle deep in his 9th set of dog balls for the day. I know he'll likely agree with a lot of what has been posted.
Syskatine is looking at Twitter and Think Progress to find the right talking points to combat a reasonable discussion.
Pokeabear is checking with the Comey McCabe Aluminum Foil Helmet Council to see if Harry is a Russian spy.
CUp is already passed out.
Clinton is too pissed about being @tted to wow us with his own ideas and hates Trump supporters too much to agree with them. Plus, his mom is making him getting ready for work.
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knoblock likes what he's reading.
BeenJammin is knuckle deep in his 9th set of dog balls for the day. I know he'll likely agree with a lot of what has been posted.
Syskatine is looking at Twitter and Think Progress to find the right talking points to combat a reasonable discussion.
Pokeabear is checking with the Comey McCabe Aluminum Foil Helmet Council to see if Harry is a Russian spy.
CUp is already passed out.
Clinton is too pissed about being @tted to wow us with his own ideas and hates Trump supporters too much to agree with them. Plus, his mom is making him getting ready for work.
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Obsession is unhealthy.
@aix_xpert ill give you a list later. FYI for harry, the penalty for employers with fake ssn employees is $50 apiece. Unenforceable currently
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The very purpose of a background check is determine whether or not someone has previously committed a crime.
Damn Harry, I thought you were a constitutionalist state’s rights guy.
Let’s force state and local police narc out and arrest all the medical marijuana dispensaries or cooperate with the feds to hold them until feds can come around and get them....they’re committing a federal crime.
You are on the wrong side of freedom with this one. Over correcting based upon your fear of liberals.
I'm actually all for the FBI or BATFE raiding marijuana dispensaries. At least it would force legislative action as opposed to simply ignoring federal law.
I’m all for THEM doing that if that is the policy direction they want to go.
I’m completely against the feds being able to coerce locals and states from cooperating or engaging in the same conduct.
Yes, but I'll add the caveat that the federal government can and should use money in the form of law enforcement grants as enticement/punishment for states/cities that don't cooperate.
California want's to be a sanctuary state? fine. The federal government then has every right to deny them any aid.
The local and state police officers your gonna compel to do the Feds bidding ARE CITIZENS.
The local city council persons and legislatures your gonna compel to do the Feds bidding ARE CITIZENS.
I think you are primarily motivated in reaching your positions by what’s gonna piss folks like Clinton and Sys off the most over reallythinking through some of these things.
The federal government should be arresting and deporting illegal aliens.
Should state and local be forced to cooperate with the Feds in raiding those marijuana dispensaries that are completely legal under state law?
If you say yes, you AIN’Ta states’ rights guy no matter how much you claim you are.
It’s not my primary motivation.
Breaching a national border is a crime. The executive branch is obligated to enforce federal law. To hit stonewalls by local activist authorities in this circumstance should be illegal in my opinion. I’m not sure why you are dismantling an entire stance on states rights because I believe this is different than every example you’ve listed. If a lawyer or priest or anyone with a confidentiality agreement participates in harboring a criminal that’s a crime. If a sheriff or law enforcement does it it should be a felony.
If someone performing a background check finds a criminal with warrants, and when the authorities seek info then they tell authorities “I don’t think I’ll help with this investigation” they would be arrested wouldn’t they?
Yes they should until they do a states congress convention or whatever the hell it is to override the feds.
Marijuana is illegal federally. Until that changes or they give that power to the states then the federal government is picking and choosing what they enforce.
What if oklahoma made the age of consent 7 years old?
If I’m a citizen in Oklahoma and the fbi knocks on my door and wants information on anyone I know who would be in possession of marijuana. I know ten people with over 1oz a piece. Five have med cards and five don’t. What is the fewest number of names that I would have to give up in order to shut the door and go about my business?
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