Aaaand this time the senseless shooting was on camera.
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It's easy to blame guns for any gun related death, but it would be best to treat the root cause, not the method by which one carries out the killing. Would you agree?
The argument was that other county's succes in curtailing gun violence can't be applied to the US, because they don't have poor violent neighbors across a poorly patroled border. In Romania's case that isn't true.
No country is exactly the same as the US.
Correct. It is poorer and has higher gun vionence rates relative to it's neighbors. Your point?
I really don't want to put anyone on ignore, but I might change my mind. To your question; there is no way to stop a wacko from killing someone, just look at China where guns are outlawed and people kill people with knives.
I have a S&W that I carry with me all the time and if I would have been the one interviewed at least one of the 2 killed this morning would have stood a chance of still being alive. I wish I could get into your mind so I would understand how you think the way you do.
And again, you missed the point. Comparing Romania to the US, in terms of top lucrative immigration getaways, in no where comparable.
I get that it's easier to shoot yourself than hang yourself, but that is not the cause of the suicides. Correlation does not equal causation. Don't treat the symptoms, treat the disease.
The gun suicide issue is ridiculous. Just because it's easy to use a gun doesn't mean people who want to die wouldn't use another method. They might be less successful but the gun didn't cause them to be suicidal.
Just like a gun doesn't cause someone to want to murder it's just easier than a knife. A gun is also a much better method of defense than a knife.
So if we take away guns then criminals will still have them and we'll be standing there with one hand on a worthless knife and one hand sticking our thumb up our butts waiting to get shot.
I don't give and damn what liberals say because they hide or ignore the fact that lots of people successfully defend themselves against crime and even murder on a regular basis with guns.
Just like a gun doesn't cause someone to want to murder it's just easier than a knife. A gun is also a much better method of defense than a knife.
So if we take away guns then criminals will still have them and we'll be standing there with one hand on a worthless knife and one hand sticking our thumb up our butts waiting to get shot.
I don't give and damn what liberals say because they hide or ignore the fact that lots of people successfully defend themselves against crime and even murder on a regular basis with guns.
I had a childhood friend who a few years ago hung himself on a swing set in his backyard with an extension cord. I agree, saying guns raise the suicide rate is asinine. It's not the method, it's the mindset.
Mexico gun homicide rate per 100,000 people = 10 Total gun related death per 100,000 = 11.17 (USA 3.55/10.64)
Serbia gun homicide rate per 100,000 people = 0.62 Total gun related death per 100,000 = 3.9 (Romania 0.04/0.19)
*for statistical comparisons of those two countries and their respective neighbors regarding gun violence.
Interestingly though, according to data from 2000-2013, Romania has a higher total homicide rate per capita than Serbia does. Cool huh? I would have never figured that people could kill each other without guns...
My point is that Serbia is no Mexico when it comes to drug cartels and their desire to control whatever market they can. Not even in the same book. Get rid of guns in the USA, all of them from us law abiding people, and those criminal enterprises from Mexico will be sure to step up to keep our criminals well supplied.
Now, what's your point?
And just one more thing, and then your lesson is over for today. Although Serbia has a ton of guns, they seem to lack something that gives the USA a nice boost in gun violence. Care to guess what that is? No? Really? No guesses?
Black on black gun violence.
Guess she should've been packing heat. She probably had it coming, rabble rousing with that chamber of commerce piece....
'Murica, where everybody gits a gun! Yeehah!
Prosecute the gun, let the the innocent man who had the misfortune of holding it go free!
You could tell it was dragging him around like he had Marmaduke on a leash...
And those who used a gun to kill themselves wouldn't have used another method if the gun were not available?
Guess she should've been packing heat. She probably had it coming, rabble rousing with that chamber of commerce piece....
'Murica, where everybody gits a gun! Yeehah!
If only she had been a fetus, then Sys would have been stoked about another person electing to stop her life
The real dilemma for syskatine would be if abortions were done by firearm.
He's clearly pleased these murders happened so he could rant about guns even though he owns more than most conservatives I know. Progressives are sick like that.
Back out race. I think you can look through race and look at other demographic things, too. You don't want to look beyond that -- you prefer to repeat and focus on a demographic statistic that only isolates race. There are other, even more specific demographic factors that further isolate correlation, but you only want to look at race.e.g.. Childhood economic disadvantage: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15225338 Economic inequality: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-01-06/want-to-fight-crime-address-economic-inequality
I sat back and re-read this out of control thread, and you 1) started the insanity, and 2) actually said that you consider all sides of an argument. You don't. You omit many other demographic correlations with crime, and focus exclusively on race. Your math is bad, too: http://www.timwise.org/2004/11/race-crime-and-sloppy-social-science/
You gratuitously introduced race to this conversation, and not any other demographic. I'll ask again: In formulating these opinions of yours, did you look at other demographic variables, or stop once you identified a negative racial correlation?
Yes,like France. Compare and contrast: It appears France has 16 times the firearm homicides as the US on a per capita basis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
How can you say that? How can you say these two things: 1. You value human life, and 2. You think that the least among us, mentally defective people, rage-aholics, disgruntled losers, have a right to have the ability to decide who lives and dies by the pull of a trigger. You literally ensure, as a constitutional right, that insane losers have a very fast and convenient way to kill innocent, productive people for whatever fantasy agenda the delusional person has. And it's not a hypothetical, it happens over and over, and nothing is done to restrict access to protect people from nuts with guns. These people don't use guns, or sarin, or drop pianos on someone's heads - they use guns. The homicide rate and gun death rates in modern, industrialized countries with effective gun rates are a small fraction of ours.
Please explain how arming insane people values human life, and how restricting their ability to kill doesn't value human life. I'd really like to hear you defend that statement as it relates to the subject of this thread.
Edit: Please read this article and explain how sanctity of life = guns for everyone. I'd like to hear your thinking on that: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mass-shootings-world-dark-exceptionalism.html
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And should the victim's father also hang himself for sharing my opinion on the same day a disgruntled loser shot his daughter? Here's what he said:
'We have got to do something about crazy people getting guns. 'I am going to do something, whatever it takes, to shame legislators about closing loop-holes in background checks to make sure crazy people don't get guns. This isn't the last you've heard from me.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-crazy-people-getting-guns.html#ixzz3k0rDtrzp
So please share some more of your sanctimony and moral outrage -- HER FATHER AGREES WITH ME 100%-- ON THE DAY HIS DAUGHTER WAS MURDERED. Thats what people with a conscience and some sense of morality want to do -- address and stop brutality, not wait some indeterminate time until conservatives can organize reasons to empower incompetent people to determine who does and doesn't get executed while watching a movie or doing their job.
Hey @PDT816 and @poke2001 --- if personal attacks are what bothers you, I would nominate one of your conservatives (see Cowguy) for your attention.... or does his political viewpoint make personal attacks okay?
Lol. Weenie.
The fact of the matter is you know I'm right. It's a wholly soulless act to use this tragedy, in its infancy, to drive home a political point. But, you don't think about people. You only think about your agenda, and winning the argument.
You say it's the gun. I say this guy would have figured out something else, he wrote a freaking manifesto!
If you blame guns, I blame liberals, like you, who have spent the last many years telling people like this that racism, homophobia etc is the reason for their lot in life. You guys light the fuse for people like this.
I could care less if I'm banned for my responses to you. You're inflammatory and you are in no way part of any solution. You're just a bomb thrower, who thinks any means justifies his ends.
No he doesn't. You want guns taken away all together. He wants to keep them out of crazy peoples hands. That is not 100% agreement, you know it, I know it everybody knows it. Spin away.
Oh, nice use of all caps.
So you are saying that the US would get guns from immigrants rather than criminals and smugglers?
Your response doesn't really surprise me because you are innumerate, but just to reiterate:
My point is you can always find a fly in the ointment to make a comparison invalid.
How about Canada? They have a violent drug running country to their south, but they have managed to keep gun violence low.
Again, where do you think the cartels get their guns?
Are you suggesting if they had more black people their murder rates would be higher?
Stuck in the traditional progressive position, head in ass. More dodging of the fact that blacks commit much more gun crime than other races.
You geniuses have long maintained that TV, cartoons, and video games contribute to violence. At what point will you include the hip hop/thug/gangster music in that same thought? I'm guessing never, because nobody is to blame for their own actions if they are black, right?
So, the USA is comparable to Mexico in drug cartels and violence? Got it. I forgot about the large volumes of meth, cocaine, and synthetic drugs that are manufactured in the US. Those idiots apparently smuggle that stuff to Mexico and then get caught bringing it back into the US.
I'm sure you have an idea where they get guns and if you are implying the US is their only source, you're being intentionally dishonest. Do you think if US guns ceased to exist the cartels would have access to none?
I see. Your faux-outrage over politicizing yet another criminal maniac having a constitutional right to decide who lives or dies is articulated with "What would her father think" inquiry. It's answered in a way that proves you again are demonstrably wrong, and you shift to another line of attack. Her father agrees with me. Is her father tasteless and soulless too?
These people don't have the clarity or capacity to always do it another way. Look at the homicide rates in other modern countries. Data and links to them are prominently presented in this thread and you, Head, et al don't care -- facts aren't as appetizing as ad hominem attacks and worldview validation. Guns kill in huge numbers. People just don't kill with knives or other ways in the same numbers -- it's the loser's preferred choice, and if it goes away lots of the homicides go away. This is beyond debate, it's a function of observation and math. If you think our national policy should be to empower nitwits to make easy and convenient "she dies/she lives" decisions, you're wrong. I think you secretly have some type of enjoyment from knowing a loser has the power to alter hundreds of lives and create years and lifetimes of grief. I can't imagine your insane outrage otherwise. If you think the second amendment, with it's concerns about militias in a time of ball and powder muskets and no standing army guarantees the right today for an insane person to have semi-automatic weapons, your'e wrong, no matter how emotional your tantrum.
You give up your guns yet?
I'd like to hear what legislation changes you would propose that would have prevented the ass clown shooter from getting a gun. Maybe a law that bans gun sales to people that are difficult to work with? How about one banning gun sales to people who like cats? Maybe one banning gun sales to folks who think everybody is racist?
Stats lack context. You are smart enough to know exactly what I mean. France lately seems to be a pretty easy terrorist target. I guess if you ride the subway in France you at least have a chance that some Americans might have the balls to save you from gun violence. If you are a satirical cartoonist though... you get to be working example of what happens when barbarians simply disregard your civilized gun laws.
The point that we losers get which you don't is that in a free country, you aren't guaranteed safety, but your right to defend yourself is protected and shall not be infringed.
It's real simple. Bad things can and will happen anywhere.
It's absolutely disgusting that you politicize every single high profile gun death. Is that what a winner does?
What is your point then? Seriously, why do you keep on bringing up black on black violence?
