Screams Before Silence - a documentary about Hamas atrocities to females
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I have watched about half of it. It was very hard. You say the film was just released, but I wonder about when it was filmed. I’m sure the one guy from Zaka, I think it is called, has been proven to not be a credible witness, and I’m pretty sure the young man in black, I think he said he was a security guard at the Rave, has admitted he made up what he said he witnessed. Be that as it may, if you accept the testimony of those two as being false that does not diminish the horror of what took place. The perpetrators of Oct 7 most certainly will find themselves in hell when the time comes. I do find it curious that there were multiple accusations of hearing women who were being raped not a single rape victim has been located. As I have said many times in the last six plus months the murders are enough for me to hate what Hamas did that day. One other thing I found curious: a man 2 1/2 hours away grabbed his gun, hopped in his car and got to the scene ahead of the IDF. Where the hell were they? Maybe that question is answered in the last half of the production.
But yet you've made all those conclusions.
Post some links to the claims you're making about the dudes speaking in the video.
Sorry, I don’t have the links, it was stuff I read in passing several months ago. I do remember the Zaka guy and the Zaka oranization were trashed for the claims they made because he pretended to be a forensic expert and he was just a layman volunteer with no forensic expertise at all. I won’t say for certain the security guard guy is the one, but I do remember there was a guy making the rounds of interviews who claimed he saw a woman get raped and later had to admit he made the whole thing up.
That having been said I watched the second half tonight and it was more horrifying than the first half. It is beyond my ability to comprehend how anyone could do those things to another human being. While I remain skeptical that there was intentional mass rape there can be no doubt that there was mass sexual abuse coupled with rapes. I wonder if @Sunburnt Indian would back me up, but much of it reminded me of what the Comanche did to their captives. Completely uncivilized, abhorrent, satanic in nature.
The movie made no mention of why it took so long for the IDF to respond, nor did it say anything about its use of the Hannibal protocol. I can understand why it didn’t, it’s for propaganda purposes after all. But it closes by saying it’s there to preserve the voices so they will never be forgotten. I guess they’re okay with forgetting the voices of the ones they murdered.
The movie was as powerful as anything I’ve seen in showing how inhumane men can be. It was suffocating in its relentless show of viciousness.
In the name of fair mindedness I wish the same crew would do a movie showing what innocent Palestinians are enduring under a very similar expression of horror and viciousness by Israel.
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The Commanches kidnapped Cynthia Ann Parker and her younger 12 year old brother at Grosebeck, TX. After 3 days the Comanches released the younger brother unharmed. The Comanches decided the brother would never become qualified to be a Comanche.
Cynthia Ann grew up and married Chief Nocona and became the mother of the last Chief of all 6 Divisions of the Comanche. Leaders after Quanah Parker were known as Chairman.
The Horse People have never been the blood thirsty savages as some whites have described. Quanah Parker and his mother Cynthia Ann Parker are buried at Chief's Knoll, Fort Sill. As a teen, on Sundays I conducted tours at the old Indian Stockade and Museum. I've reclined on Geronimo's bunk in his cell. Geronimo died as a prisinor of war at Fort Sill. His cell was seldom locked and he went and returned as he pleased.
Cynthia Ann was once "rescued" from the Comanches by Texas Rangers. After some attempts, Cynthia Ann escaped and returned to her people.
Quanah, TX city council contacted the Comanche Nation and received permission to name their town.
Cynthia Ann grew up and married Chief Nocona and became the mother of the last Chief of all 6 Divisions of the Comanche. Leaders after Quanah Parker were known as Chairman.
The Horse People have never been the blood thirsty savages as some whites have described. Quanah Parker and his mother Cynthia Ann Parker are buried at Chief's Knoll, Fort Sill. As a teen, on Sundays I conducted tours at the old Indian Stockade and Museum. I've reclined on Geronimo's bunk in his cell. Geronimo died as a prisinor of war at Fort Sill. His cell was seldom locked and he went and returned as he pleased.
Cynthia Ann was once "rescued" from the Comanches by Texas Rangers. After some attempts, Cynthia Ann escaped and returned to her people.
Quanah, TX city council contacted the Comanche Nation and received permission to name their town.
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You would know far more about the Comanche life than me. I base some of my “knowledge” on the novel *A Woman of the People* which I believe was based on Cynthia Anne Parker. In that novel Cynthia Anne’s family was slaughtered, Cynthia, her brother and aunt were taken hostage where the aunt was repeatedly raped until she succumbed. At least that’s the way I remember it. It’s been 50 years since I read it. Then there is *Empire of the Summer Moon* much more recently, a biography of Quanah Parker, and it made the Comanche seem to be fierce right up the the day Parker brought the tribe in (and afterward as he frequently had to go bring back young men who had returned to the plains on their own). Sorry. Didn’t mean to hijack the thread. Sunburnt, I look forward to the day we meet and you tell me stories of your tribe back in the day.
Technially, there have been streeks with the Comanche. Blood thirsty eras and especially nice.
Quanah Parker and Geronimo rode in the 1905 Therodore Roosevelt inauguration parade by invitation. Quanah Parker died in 1911.
I am 1/8 Cherokee. My g-g-great grandparents lived in Morgan County, AL. The soldiers came after President Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act of 1830. Grandmother was red hair blue eye Irish just like my mother. Grandfather was Cherokee-Sub-Saharan African. The soldiers told grandfather to pack his bags for Haskell County, OK which is Choctaw land because Grandfather said, I ain't no Indian. I'm black Dutch. The soldiers said, "you're an Indian."
Why should it? And now a documentary about Hamas rape is propaganda? Wow. Just wow.
SMH.
Most of the Israeli's who had direct contact with the Hamas invaders on Oct. 07 likely didn't live to tell the tale or are still being held hostage. Its not like Hamas only sent their porn stars over and just Conga-lined the Israeli women and went home.
Why, yes, I don’t think there’s any doubt the movie was made for propaganda purposes. There’s nothing wrong with that and there’s nothing wrong with admitting it. If it weren’t propaganda, if it was made to show the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the unvarnished truth about everything that happened that night it would have discussed the 400 Israelis the IDF firebombed to death and questioned why the IDF wasn’t there in the first place and why it enacted the Hannibal protocol when it said it had abandoned it long ago. The movie ended by saying it wants to preserve the voices that screamed before there was silence. The movie was about mass Hamas rapes, an accusation for which Israel has come under great fire since it has never shown proof, and it powerfully (to me, at least) showed there were rapes (although the experts on the film referred to sexual violence far more often than rape). It left no doubt of the sadistic brutality of the Hamas terrorists in their violence against women. But that it focused on one aspect only, a truly awful vicious aspect for sure, should leave no doubt that it was a documentary with propaganda purposes.To that end it was magnificently done.
I shake my head right back at you for your fear of having to watch a propaganda documentary of the suffering innocent Palestinians have been subjected to for the last 6+ months. What are you afraid if?
Yep, a documentary about Hamas rape is propaganda but the shit you guzzle directly from the Hamas propaganda hydrant isn't in your mind.
At least I gave you the courtesy of watching the film and giving a two-part critique of it, almost all of which was very favorable. It would be nice if you had the courage to do the same when I link something. My goodness, Medic, I write an opinion, toward the end of which I say the documentary omits any discussion of the IDF's role (or lack thereof) in the attack and say it is understandable because it's for propaganda purposes after all, and it sends you spiralling down a freak-out of triggered tizzy, calling on all your brothers in arms: "look boys, he called it propaganda! How dare he! Go get him!"
So let me try to discuss this with a sense of rationality. In the first place the film was made by an Israeli production company who gets some of its funding from the Israeli government. The same government that insisted six months ago there was systematic planned mass rape, and then went silent as media outlets, even western media outlets for a minute or two, asked for evidence. So now we have a film being offered as proof there was intentional mass rape, even though most of the experts being interviewed very carefully avoided saying "mass rape" very often, preferring to call what happened "mass sexual violence." And what was mostly described was not rape but sexual violence that was as bad or worse than rape would have been. So it is not unreasonable to ask why Israel seems so determined to call it rape when what it actually was was even worse in my opinion.
Secondly lets discuss Sheryl Sandburg, the interviewer in the film. You do know who she is, do you not? I mean you're Medic and you say you keep up with all the news, so surely you know she was Mark Zuckerburg's right-hand-woman at Facebook and Meta as they worked diligently to spread fake news about Donald Trump. Remember "Russia, Russia, Russia?" Yeah, she's one of the ones that promoted every negative "news article" that was written about your beloved Orange Man. And you hated her - I mean you HATED HER! - for helping to cause DJT's downfall. It was all fake news, it was all manipulation of the weak willed, dare I say it was, horrors, propaganda?
But now she's in a film you want more than anything to prove Israel didn't lie, Israel would *never* lie, it's the victim, always the victim, and Ms. Sandburg is now promoting views you really really really want to be true. She's no longer the lying bitch she was when she ruined Donald Trump. Now she's on the right side, your side, so all is forgiven for the time being, right?
To be fair I want to say I do not think the production company intentionally lied about anything in the film. I have doubts about the ZAKA guy and the security guard, but if they lied that's on them, not the film crew (although if they lied the film crew did not do a good job of vetting them).
It is not unresonable to say the film is Israeli propaganda. It was produced with one thing in mind, show there were rapes and mass sexual violence, and it did an outstanding job of that. Who could watch it and not be sickened by what happened to those poor women? The men that did those things should be hunted down. But the film *is* propaganda in the sense that it ignores the Israeli government's role in what happened. It did not mention that at all.
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If you would only use the same critical eye when it comes to the Hamas propaganda you take for fact without a single question...
Oh gee Dan, I don't know, maybe start with the 400 Israelis you claim were killed by the IDF. How many Palestinians have been killed by Hamas? I don't think I've seen you blame a single Palestinian death on Hamas but you're always ready to put an asterisk on Israeli deaths.
Well why don't you tell me how many Palestinians have been killed by Hamas? Are you talking about on Oct 7, since Oct 7, or all time? Do you want to compare the number of Palestinians killed by Israel vs the number killed by Hamas? 400 is the generally accepted number of Israelis killed by their own government on Oct 7. As a person that keeps up with all the news I would think you know that. If you have a different number why don't you post it and we can discuss.
Every Palestinian death is on Hamas, they started a war.
Governments do not start wars without the support of their people, unless they have their thumb down so hard on the people the people can not oppose the governments actions. Think Iran here. With that in mind if the people do not support a war they would welcome any force that would get rid of them, unless they hated the opposing force more than the government that keeps them down. In that case the people are choosing to support the abusive government starting the war. Yea that's a tough spot but it's their choice.
You're welcome. Now you've made mine: you have nothing to add to any conversation,.
Uh huh. You just can't stand that I call out your Hamas propaganda guzzling bullshit.
You're right, I have convulsions of grief that you call something you havent read a name. It's your style. I'm eventually getting used to it, but let me tell you at first it hurt, it really hurt.
