You said “ that's exactly what they did” as a rejoinder to my comment belittling the notion that Joe the shoe salesman willing eschewed his portion of the humanitarian aid meant for him, indicating that Joe did indeed voluntarily give it to Hamas. You followed that up by saying “Joe the shoe salesman had no say. The terrorists run the joint.” Do you see the mixed message there?
Yes, Israel Is Committing Genocide
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Nice try Dan. They “turned it over” because they may have had no choice, if aid even got to them, which I doubt works that way.
It seems to me the rest of the article could be introduced as a amicus brief to the ICJ on behalf of Israel. He relies heavily on the age old canard that Israel is the victim, always the victim. Anyone who expresses the slightest historical sympathy for the plight of the Palestinian at the hands of the Israelis should not be accepted as credible. Anyone who sits in judgement is suspect unless he favors the Israeli side of the argument. The South African submission is fatally flawed and was written from a non-Israeli point of view (Well, duh! Is South africa supposed to say Israel is committing genocide from Israel’s point of view? IMO that was the most laughable thing he said.)
I have not read South Africa’s submission, I’m probably too ignorant of the legalese language to comprehend most of it anyway. But I have heard people I regard as objective say it is a powerful piece of writing. In the link I provided way back when, the interview between Glenn Greenwald and John Mearsheimer, which none of you had the stines to wstch, the good professor defined genocide, said there are 4 parts South Africa has to satisfy, that the most difficult would be proving “intent,” that Israel intends to commit the other three parts, and SA attempted to do that by enclosing several dozen proclamations from high ranking Israeli government officials showing their intent.
I found it fascinating/irritating that the author declared if the ICJ rules for a crasefire it would put Israel at risk. From what?? Gaza has bern flattened, over 20,000 murdered, I don’t know how many injured, all necessities of life have been cut off causing the Human Rights watchdog to say several hundred thousand may die from disease, starvation, etc.
On the whole his condemnation of Hamas on Oct 7 may not have been severe enough. What they did is unconscionable. The man is correct that truly innocent people were caught in the mayhem. But his denial that innocent Palestinians have been caught in the aftermath makes the article too one sided for my taste.
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Gee I don't know Dan, maybe more attacks just like the Palestinians have been doing for decades. SMFH
Why is it when most every war fought in history the winner of the war determines the terms of peace except when it comes to Israel?
I honestly tried but this off the charts dumb. So I guess a bunch of old people and women and children being killed and raped didn’t happen. The cities didn’t cheer when the captive Jews were paraded naked in the streets of Gaza? I remember the cheers for those on 9/11 and I have never forgot. Women and children Dan not soldiers in border checkpoints kids at a music festival. Targeted for the sin of having fun and listening to non approved music by Hamas. Yes Dan Israel is a victim here bud.
When I wrote my reply it was not allowed because there were more than 10,000 characters. I couldn’t understand what it was talking about because my reply was nowhere near 10,000 characters. Finally I figured it must be because it added what you wrote to what I wrote to put me over the limit, so I deleted what you wrote and my reply went through. Alas, for some reason it hid my first paragraph and the only way to access it was to click where it says “click to expand.” If you go back you will see where I wrote about what Hamas did and my feelings about what should be the fate of the perpetrators, which I believe is 100% in agreement with you.
By the way, as regards your disgust that some Palestinians cheered when they heard of the attack, paraded naked hostages in the street, etc., a disgust I share with you, and we are told “polls” say there is overwhelming Gazan support for Hamas, and that alone justifies what Israel has done and continues to do to all Gazans, the. alleged support for Hamas makes the supporter equally guilty as the savages that attacked on Oct 7, so they deserve what’s happening to them, here’s a question for you: if the principle says a civilian who “supports” an evil act by one side of a conflict by cheering the act and watching naked prisoners being paraded in the street deserve to be literally blown to pieces, have their entire infrastructure demolished, driven into “safe zones” only to be attacked there as well, starved out, medical aid denied and what not, does the principle apply to civilians of the other side when their side brutalizes with equal vigor? If Palestinians are fair game to be slaughtered by the IDF because some of them cheered the slaughter when their side did it, is it correct to say therefore that Israelis civilians are also fair game to be slaughtered because their side cheers too? What’s the principle you’re applying and why shouldn’t it apply across the board?
But Israel *is* determining the terms of any peace, and it has decided the terms are that they will exterminate via genocide every man, woman and child it gets sight of.
Really I haven’t seen Israel say their intention were to exterminate the Palestinians. Now I have heard you and others say that but thats the same accusation anytime Israel starts kicking the Palestinians ass.
Like driving cars, visiting Mexico, or going down to 6th Street in Austin at night?
Netanyahu tells US he opposes creation of Palestinian state after Gaza war
PM rebuts White House by saying all territory west of Jordan River would be under Israeli security control
“In any future arrangement … Israel needs security control all territory west of the Jordan [river],” Netanyahu told a nationally broadcast news conference.
Rightwing Israeli imperialism…brilliant ideology. Should be a lasting trajectory toward peace…..
carry on
As does Palestinian rape, torture, and murder. Bold strategy, Cotton.Netanyahu tells US he opposes creation of Palestinian state after Gaza war
PM rebuts White House by saying all territory west of Jordan River would be under Israeli security controlamp.theguardian.com
“In any future arrangement … Israel needs security control all territory west of the Jordan [river],” Netanyahu told a nationally broadcast news conference.
Rightwing Israeli imperialism…brilliant ideology. Should be a lasting trajectory toward peace…..
carry on
Whatta fvcking cvnt you are.
I guess the Palestinians are learning a first hand lesson in FAFO.Netanyahu tells US he opposes creation of Palestinian state after Gaza war
PM rebuts White House by saying all territory west of Jordan River would be under Israeli security control
“In any future arrangement … Israel needs security control all territory west of the Jordan [river],” Netanyahu told a nationally broadcast news conference.
Rightwing Israeli imperialism…brilliant ideology. Should be a lasting trajectory toward peace…..
carry on
