Yes, Israel Is Committing Genocide

[Ponca Dan]

According to to whom, the anti Israel faction? I'm sorry Dan but it has been proven without question Israel's enemies purposely imbed themselves among civilians for protection against attacks. Hospitals , Schools and residential communities have been found to not only be command centers but weapons depots and safe havens for enemy combatants.
Essentially what you and the rest of the anti Israel factions are saying is the Palestinians are free to attack Israel at will, while Israel is forbidden from responding because they hide among civilians. One side can break all international laws while the other is strictly held to them. SMFH.

What is obvious to anyone with a shred of common sense is the Israelis and the Palestinians mix like oil and water, meaning a two state solution or even living in close proximity is impossible. If the two can not live in peace together the only solution that will provide lasting peace is to separate the two where neither have anything to do with the other. Of course that is an unpalatable solution to most, even though it makes the most sense. Meaning an unending cycle of violence will continue.

According to whom? The Geneva Conventions, the Red Cross, The U.N., the WHO. Acording to the government of South Africa whose leadership knows a little bit about what apartheid and genocide are, having lived through it in their own country. Hell, even the US government whines about the abuse out of one side of its mouth while handing them the weapons to continue.

You are all for the extermination or expulsion of the Palestinians from their homeland. What if the roles were reversed? What if the Palestinians had the upper hand and began to exterminate and expel the Jews? According to you the most powerful gets its way. If the Palestinians were the mosrt powerful would you cheer while they conducted genocide against the Jews of Israel? It would be the same principle, would it not?

 

[Ponca Dan]

You keep saying this and ignoring who is using them as military assets.

They’re human fortifications and used as such by the people you keep championing

They set the rules of engagement by hiding behind their children while waging war.

For the umpteenth time I do not champion Hamas. I hate Hamas, I detest Hamas. They are terrorists that kill innocent people in hopes it will achieve their political goal. They are not people I champion. But I do not accept the mantra that they cowardly hide behind the people of Gaza. Israel has packed 2.3 million people into an area smaller than Las Angeles airport. Hamas is embedded among them by Israeli design, they have no other place from which to operate. I find it a little too convenient for Israel to support Hamas, prop it up (because it knows there can never be a two state solution as long as Hamas has any say, and its damned sure Israel does not want a two state solution), then be shocked that Hamas behaves like the terrorists they are and use that as an excuse to begin slaughtering Gazans at will, because that is what they've always wanted to do and Hamas gave them the perfect excuse.

 

[aix_xpert]

The codified rules of war are very specific on combatants actions in avoiding civilian casualties. Israel has blatantly and intentionally violated those rules.

Says who? The PLO? Hamas? Unfortunately, the news agencies have shown that they aren't interested in the truth, but rather the narrative, and as such, there isn't anyone providing a fair and honest review of Israel's or Palestine's actions. And given the state of credibility for both the media and NGOs today, I'm not sure there is anyone that both sides would trust to report the news factually. There is a consequence to the media becoming political, non-neutral bodies. And that's that the real truth dies.

 

[2012Bearcat]

According to whom? The Geneva Conventions, the Red Cross, The U.N., the WHO. Acording to the government of South Africa whose leadership knows a little bit about what apartheid and genocide are, having lived through it in their own country. Hell, even the US government whines about the abuse out of one side of its mouth while handing them the weapons to continue.

You are all for the extermination or expulsion of the Palestinians from their homeland. What if the roles were reversed? What if the Palestinians had the upper hand and began to exterminate and expel the Jews? According to you the most powerful gets its way. If the Palestinians were the mosrt powerful would you cheer while they conducted genocide against the Jews of Israel? It would be the same principle, would it not?

Like I said, the anti Israel factions. And LOL at your use of the Geneva Convention. The Palestinians ignore it knowing they will never be held accountable, yet when Israel does everything it can to abide by it and still have an effective military reaction to being attacked they are held to the strictest of interpretations. The double standard may work for you but it doesn't for me.

As to your second part, I'm for solving the problem not perpetuating it for eternity. The approach used for decades has obviously been an epic disaster and if we are honest never had a chance. You can not expect people that believe in the exterminating one side to get along. Anyone that does is insane.
So what's the solution that provides immediate relief if we truly want peace? Seems to me separating the two by hundreds if not thousands of miles would be the most effective solution. The Palestinians can have their own land to govern as they please, away from the Israelis and the Israelis can have theirs.
Using your South Africa example, how's that working out.

 

[Alpha Woke]

For the umpteenth time I do not champion Hamas. I hate Hamas, I detest Hamas. They are terrorists that kill innocent people in hopes it will achieve their political goal. They are not people I champion. But I do not accept the mantra that they cowardly hide behind the people of Gaza. Israel has packed 2.3 million people into an area smaller than Las Angeles airport. Hamas is embedded among them by Israeli design, they have no other place from which to operate. I find it a little too convenient for Israel to support Hamas, prop it up (because it knows there can never be a two state solution as long as Hamas has any say, and its damned sure Israel does not want a two state solution), then be shocked that Hamas behaves like the terrorists they are and use that as an excuse to begin slaughtering Gazans at will, because that is what they've always wanted to do and Hamas gave them the perfect excuse.

You keep avoiding an obvious truth with word salads.

Hamas uses children as military assets.

Read that until it registers.


You keep shitting on the people that don’t treat their citizens as sand bags.

 

[2012Bearcat]

For the umpteenth time I do not champion Hamas. I hate Hamas, I detest Hamas. They are terrorists that kill innocent people in hopes it will achieve their political goal. They are not people I champion. But I do not accept the mantra that they cowardly hide behind the people of Gaza. Israel has packed 2.3 million people into an area smaller than Las Angeles airport. Hamas is embedded among them by Israeli design, they have no other place from which to operate. I find it a little too convenient for Israel to support Hamas, prop it up (because it knows there can never be a two state solution as long as Hamas has any say, and its damned sure Israel does not want a two state solution), then be shocked that Hamas behaves like the terrorists they are and use that as an excuse to begin slaughtering Gazans at will, because that is what they've always wanted to do and Hamas gave them the perfect excuse.

Yet the Palestinians, who believe in exterminating the Jewish people, are perfectly innocent in your eyes. SMFH insanity.

 

[Ponca Dan]

You keep avoiding an obvious truth with word salads.

Hamas uses children as military assets.

Read that until it registers.


You keep shitting on the people that don’t treat their citizens as sand bags.

I do not want Hamas to exist, but that does not mean I want Israel to exterminate Palestinians willy nilly in their quest to conquer them. I'm not avoiding anything. The fact is Hamas exists and has been supported by Israel (until Oct 7). The fact is Israel had rounded up as many Palestinians as they could and moved them into Gaza which had become one of the most crowded overpopulated areas in the world. Then Israel supported Hamas knowing it is a terrorist organization but thinking they could control them because they controlled the water supply into Gaza, the food supply, etc, had built a wall which most Americans concerned about our southern border praised as the way to build a wall. Taking that into consideration I would ask you where you think Hamas should go that will get them away from the Gazan population as a whole?

 

[Alpha Woke]

I do not want Hamas to exist, but that does not mean I want Israel to exterminate Palestinians willy nilly in their quest to conquer them. I'm not avoiding anything. The fact is Hamas exists and has been supported by Israel (until Oct 7). The fact is Israel had rounded up as many Palestinians as they could and moved them into Gaza which had become one of the most crowded overpopulated areas in the world. Then Israel supported Hamas knowing it is a terrorist organization but thinking they could control them because they controlled the water supply into Gaza, the food supply, etc, had built a wall which most Americans concerned about our southern border praised as the way to build a wall. Taking that into consideration I would ask you where you think Hamas should go that will get them away from the Gazan population as a whole?

Is this where I ask which pronouns you prefer?

Or are you going to acknowledge Hamas is forcing the issue by purposely using children as bullet absorbers?

 

[Ponca Dan]

Yet the Palestinians, who believe in exterminating the Jewish people, are perfectly innocent in your eyes. SMFH insanity.

No, Palestinians who believe in exterminating the Jewish people are not innocent, but until an individual acts on that belief, as Hamas did, they are guilty only in what they think, nothing more. The guilty ones who did the deed are the ones that deserve punishment.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Is this where I ask which pronouns you prefer?

Or are you going to acknowledge Hamas is forcing the issue by purposely using children as bullet absorbers

Where in Gaza could Hamas go that would get them away from everyone else in Gaza?

 

[Alpha Woke]

Where in Gaza could Hamas go that would get them away from everyone else in Gaza?

Do you think you have a point?

Weigh where they’ve placed their strongholds and it craps all over the fairytale you keep pushing.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Like I said, the anti Israel factions. And LOL at your use of the Geneva Convention. The Palestinians ignore it knowing they will never be held accountable, yet when Israel does everything it can to abide by it and still have an effective military reaction to being attacked they are held to the strictest of interpretations. The double standard may work for you but it doesn't for me.

As to your second part, I'm for solving the problem not perpetuating it for eternity. The approach used for decades has obviously been an epic disaster and if we are honest never had a chance. You can not expect people that believe in the exterminating one side to get along. Anyone that does is insane.
So what's the solution that provides immediate relief if we truly want peace? Seems to me separating the two by hundreds if not thousands of miles would be the most effective solution. The Palestinians can have their own land to govern as they please, away from the Israelis and the Israelis can have theirs.
Using your South Africa example, how's that working out.

Maybe the day will come when it dawns on you that the Israeli government as headed by Bibi Netanyahu and his far right Likud Party, believes about the Palestinians the same way Hamas believes about the Jews, that extermination is a legitimate way to solve the problem. You obviously think that principle is valid for only one side. I don't think it is valid for either.

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

Do you think you have a point?

Weigh where they’ve placed their strongholds and it craps all over the fairytale you keep pushing.

Israel has struck UN shelters and designated safe zones.

Cmon man.





carry on

 

[Ponca Dan]

Do you think you have a point?

Weigh where they’ve placed their strongholds and it craps all over the fairytale you keep pushing.

So point to where they should place their strongholds to your satifaction.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Like I said, the anti Israel factions. And LOL at your use of the Geneva Convention. The Palestinians ignore it knowing they will never be held accountable, yet when Israel does everything it can to abide by it and still have an effective military reaction to being attacked they are held to the strictest of interpretations. The double standard may work for you but it doesn't for me.

As to your second part, I'm for solving the problem not perpetuating it for eternity. The approach used for decades has obviously been an epic disaster and if we are honest never had a chance. You can not expect people that believe in the exterminating one side to get along. Anyone that does is insane.
So what's the solution that provides immediate relief if we truly want peace? Seems to me separating the two by hundreds if not thousands of miles would be the most effective solution. The Palestinians can have their own land to govern as they please, away from the Israelis and the Israelis can have theirs.
Using your South Africa example, how's that working out.

I appreciate that with this comment you admit Israel is violating the rules of war and committing war crimes. If Hamas does it, which it does, than Israel gets to be war criminals, too, so far by a factor of 1200 Israeli deaths to 22,000 Palestinians deaths and counting.

 

[2012Bearcat]

I appreciate that with this comment you admit Israel is violating the rules of war and committing war crimes. If Hamas does it, which it does, than Israel gets to be war criminals, too, so far by a factor of 1200 Israeli deaths to 22,000 Palestinians deaths and counting.

Please don't take that as an admission of anything, merely pointing out your hypocrisy. You ignore the Palestinians started this war with blatant violations of the Geneva Convention but then want to hold the Israelis to the strictest interpretations of it merely because they are Jews and a stronger military.
What you want is Israel sacrifice it's civilian military members in droves to uphold your standards while you give the Palestinians a free pass. Sorry but Israel is going to protect it's members first as they should. Maybe the Palestinians should have done the same before they started the war.

 

[Alpha Woke]

So point to where they should place their strongholds to your satifaction.

Where did they put them?

Specifically.

 

[Alpha Woke]

Israel has struck UN shelters and designated safe zones.

Cmon man.





carry on

We drone civilians all the time.

Where are you at on those?

Funny how you’re only offended when you’re prompted.

 

[2012Bearcat]

No, Palestinians who believe in exterminating the Jewish people are not innocent, but until an individual acts on that belief, as Hamas did, they are guilty only in what they think, nothing more. The guilty ones who did the deed are the ones that deserve punishment.

Once again you ignore the fact it was the Palestinians that attacked Israel not just Hamas. You also ignore the majority of Palestinians supported the attack. How does that look for the future of peace in that area? Not good, not good at all.
So what's the solution that provides for immediate and long lasting peace if that is what you are truly interested in? Every solution that has been offered has been a failure and will continue to be a failure. New thinking is needed and tough decision without regard for popularity must be made if we truly want peace. Israel is not going to leave, has the ability and according to you the desire to wipe out the Palestinians. Seems to me the best solution is to get these people separated and get the Palestinians as far away from the Israelis as possible. You say Gaza is an open air prison and life inside is miserable. What would be wrong about providing them their own area, away from Israel that gives them the opportunity to get out from under the supposed oppression of the Israelis and prosper from their own efforts? We've tried everything else and it has failed, time to try something different.

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

Once again you ignore the fact it was the Palestinians that attacked Israel not just Hamas. You also ignore the majority of Palestinians supported the attack. How does that look for the future of peace in that area? Not good, not good at all.
So what's the solution that provides for immediate and long lasting peace if that is what you are truly interested in? Every solution that has been offered has been a failure and will continue to be a failure. New thinking is needed and tough decision without regard for popularity must be made if we truly want peace. Israel is not going to leave, has the ability and according to you the desire to wipe out the Palestinians. Seems to me the best solution is to get these people separated and get the Palestinians as far away from the Israelis as possible. You say Gaza is an open air prison and life inside is miserable. What would be wrong about providing them their own area, away from Israel that gives them the opportunity to get out from under the supposed oppression of the Israelis and prosper from their own efforts? We've tried everything else and it has failed, time to try something different.

Go tell Netanyahu of this idea and see how receptive he is to it.

You can’t be serious with this naïveté.




carry on

 

[2012Bearcat]

Go tell Netanyahu of this idea and see how receptive he is to it.

You can’t be serious with this naïveté.




carry on

Common sense evades you.

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

Common sense evades you.

***proposes a 2-state solution - one consistently rejected by Israel, including in discussions before, during and after Kushner talks under Trump up to this week between Bibi and SoS Blinken…accuses others of lacking coMmOn SensE***



What a fvcking clownshow lol


carry on

 

[2012Bearcat]

2/3 of the dead so far are women and children.




carry on

If true that is a shame. Maybe the Palestinians shouldn't have started a war.

 

[2012Bearcat]

***proposes a 2-state solution - one consistently rejected by Israel, including in discussions before, during and after Kushner talks under Trump up to this week between Bibi and SoS Blinken…accuses others of lacking coMmOn SensE***



What a fvcking clownshow lol


carry on

Two state solution doesn't work when one side believes in the extermination of the other. Like I said common sense evades you.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Opinion article on the absurdity of the genocide accusations.

It's absurd that Israel must defend itself at the ICJ against 'genocide' charges following 10/7 attacks

This week the state of Israel will appear before the International Court of Justice in the Hague on charges of 'genocide' against the people of Gaza. They were brought by South Africa.

www.foxnews.com

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

Opinion article on the absurdity of the genocide accusations.

It's absurd that Israel must defend itself at the ICJ against 'genocide' charges following 10/7 attacks

This week the state of Israel will appear before the International Court of Justice in the Hague on charges of 'genocide' against the people of Gaza. They were brought by South Africa.

www.foxnews.com

At least you’re honest about it being nothing but opinions by a rightwing nutjob advancing Zionist activism lol




carry on

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

If true that is a shame. Maybe the Palestinians shouldn't have started a war.

Palestinian women and children started a war?





carry on

 

[2012Bearcat]

At least you’re honest about it being nothing but opinions by a rightwing nutjob advancing Zionist activism lol




carry on

Yes just like it's the opinion of the anti Israel factions it is genocide.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Yes just like it's the opinion of the anti Israel factions it is genocide.

Common Sense evades the village idiot.

 

[windriverrange]

The Al Jazeera 'Journalist' Israel Killed Was an Islamic Jihad Terrorist | Frontpage Mag

"Al Jazeera journalist laments son killed in Israeli strike in Gaza - ABC News"

www.frontpagemag.com

 

[2012Bearcat]

The Al Jazeera 'Journalist' Israel Killed Was an Islamic Jihad Terrorist | Frontpage Mag

"Al Jazeera journalist laments son killed in Israeli strike in Gaza - ABC News"

www.frontpagemag.com

 

[aix_xpert]

@Ponca Dan
Question for you: If the Texas State Guard attacked Mexico and killed hundreds of Mexican civilians, how should Mexico respond? Would Mexico have the right to retaliate? The TSG isn't the official military of the United States, but they are a sanctioned and supported military body of the United States (much like Hamas is to the Palestinians). Is the U.S. as a whole guilty of the attack in that case since they funded that militia and allowed to be created? And if they do retaliate, how does Mexico differentiate between Texas Guard members and non-Texas Guard members living in a Texas city? TSG members work in the same schools, hospitals, fire stations, and other 'civilian' locales side-by-side with non-TSG members.

I don't like what Israel is doing. But I don't have a better way to solve the problem, so I accept their way for dealing with it. If you have some great solution on how to save Israeli lives from foreign terrorism, then propose it. But simply begging for the fighting to stop without any associated solution to solve the underlying problem, which we both agree is Hamas, comes across as whiny, empty rhetoric.

 

[Marocain Poke]

When do we stop pretending the the Jew haters on this board are logical animals capable of reasoned discussion?

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

When do we stop pretending the the Jew haters on this board are logical animals capable of reasoned discussion?

When you stop pretending those like yourself so deathly chickensh!t afraid of others criticizing anything Israel’s doing are…..stable geniuses.



carry on

 

[SquatchinPoke]

Palestinian women and children started a war?





carry on

Well these terrorist have mothers and were young once.

 

[SquatchinPoke]

When you stop pretending those like yourself so deathly chickensh!t afraid of others criticizing anything Israel’s doing are…..stable geniuses.



carry on

War is ugly please name one that innocent people didn't die in. Are you just against repercussions?

 

[SquatchinPoke]

@ClintonDavidScott

 

[Ponca Dan]

When do we stop pretending the the Jew haters on this board are logical animals capable of reasoned discussion?

The first priority is for you to stop pretending that someone who criticizes the state of Israel is a "Jew hater."

 

[Ponca Dan]

@Ponca Dan
Question for you: If the Texas State Guard attacked Mexico and killed hundreds of Mexican civilians, how should Mexico respond? Would Mexico have the right to retaliate? The TSG isn't the official military of the United States, but they are a sanctioned and supported military body of the United States (much like Hamas is to the Palestinians). Is the U.S. as a whole guilty of the attack in that case since they funded that militia and allowed to be created? And if they do retaliate, how does Mexico differentiate between Texas Guard members and non-Texas Guard members living in a Texas city? TSG members work in the same schools, hospitals, fire stations, and other 'civilian' locales side-by-side with non-TSG members.

I don't like what Israel is doing. But I don't have a better way to solve the problem, so I accept their way for dealing with it. If you have some great solution on how to save Israeli lives from foreign terrorism, then propose it. But simply begging for the fighting to stop without any associated solution to solve the underlying problem, which we both agree is Hamas, comes across as whiny, empty rhetoric.

I'm sorry you think I'm being whiny and empty. I have discussed on this board a couple of times what I think needs to happen if there will ever be lasting peace. First and foremost Israel has every right to defend itself from outside attack, even if the attack is provoked. Ukraine, for example, has every right to defend itself from Russia's aggression. For decades Israel has played the victim card telling the world the horrible state in which they find themselves, surrounded by people that hate them and wish them dead Therefore it is crucial, Israel has said, that they remain ever vigilant because they never know when an attack will come and who it will come from. The Hamas attack on Oct 7 is a perfect example of what they have maintained. So the question in my mind becomes: where was the vigilance that night? The government had been given multiple warnings that "something big" was about to happen. Israeli intelligence is considered one of the best and most sophisticated in the world. They had countless spies and informants throughout the Gaza strip. They had watched as Hamas fighters had practiced their "air attack" several times. And yet they let their guard down - something they had repeated ad naseum they could never do, their very survival depended on constant wariness. What happened on Oct 7? Why had they moved their troops off the border at the exact location where the attack occurred? Why did it take them 7+ hours to respond, to defend itself? If they have the right to defend themselves - and they do - why didn't they defend themselves on Oct. 7?

So my first proposal is to tell Israel to practice what it preaches, since they know they have to be ever vigilant then by God be ever vigilant! What they're doing now can in no way be considered defending itself. It is an aggression many times worse than what they experienced. It is a vengeance tour, offensive in its very nature, so quit saying they're defending themselves.

But what's done is done, there is no going back on anythng that has happened to either side. So where to go from here? In the first place take some of the billions American taxpayers are giving them every year and build an impenatrable wall with no gates between the borders, no ingress and no egress. Double or triple down on Iron Dome, which has been tremendously succssful in bringing down Hamas' rockets. Station troops along the border and keep them there. And announce they are done with Gaza, they will have no more interourse with them, from this point forward the Gazans are completely on their own. And mean it, and practice it. No more forays into Gaza to round up whoever they feel like rousting that day, no more "mowing the lawn" as they so gleefully like to call killing Gazans from time to time.

I believe that would go a long way in easing tensions and I also believe after a couple or three generations the hatred between the two peoples will begin to subside. What I know is what is going on right now has not worked after decades of it. It's time to try a different approach.

 

[Ponca Dan]

War is ugly please name one that innocent people didn't die in. Are you just against repercussions?

I can't speak for Clinton, but I can tell you I'm against anything which causes innocent people to die.