Wow maybe the medical establishment is catching up....
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Great source of information there.
Here is a link to the actual peer reviewed protocol study. A pdf copy of the study can be downloaded from there as well.
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine
This is not a commentary on the dewormer topic… but I’d suggest being very skeptical of this “study” and journal. The way it’s written sounds science-y, but in reality, even the word orthomolecular itself is a made up term from the 60s. It’s not considered a legitimate field and is more akin to astrology.
Hey if it works that's great. That said, these far right websites all have one thing in common, rejection of the medical "establishment". They publish what appears to be science with all these citations. There are shreds of truth in what is published and they cite legitimate studies to push a narrative that suits cultural and political narratives. Whether it be Gateway, Epoch, Infowars, etc., it's all the same story. And most of these sites make money of selling or linking to alternative medicines, supplements, etc. It's nothing more than telling people what they want to hear to get clicks and then making money off miracle potions that are better than traditional medicines.
Right, Fauci and Gates, that’s where the real science is.
Bloodletting used to be a common practice as well. It had tens of thousands of ardent, enthusiastic practitioners. Turns out, it was quackery.
Also consider the Incas: they believed that a shaman known as El Hanpeq could magically cure their ailments with potions and minerals. I haven’t seen ole El Hanpeq make his way around in my lifetime.
Folks, the year is 2024 with the literal universe of all known information at our fingertips on our hand computers known as phones. Instead of making great progress, we have turned again into troglodytes. Crazy conspiracy theories, self-obsessed magical thinking, and, yes, ingesting veterinary deworming medication as a means to cure all things from COVID to cancer are seen as markers of a virtuous lifestyle according to a select few enlightened individuals.
Please stop believing that El Hanpeq’s magical potions can heal you. Crimony.
Also consider the Incas: they believed that a shaman known as El Hanpeq could magically cure their ailments with potions and minerals. I haven’t seen ole El Hanpeq make his way around in my lifetime.
Folks, the year is 2024 with the literal universe of all known information at our fingertips on our hand computers known as phones. Instead of making great progress, we have turned again into troglodytes. Crazy conspiracy theories, self-obsessed magical thinking, and, yes, ingesting veterinary deworming medication as a means to cure all things from COVID to cancer are seen as markers of a virtuous lifestyle according to a select few enlightened individuals.
Please stop believing that El Hanpeq’s magical potions can heal you. Crimony.
Big Pharma appreciates this attitude.
Another popular virtuous take is crapping on people facing the brutal reality of some illnesses and working on alternatives while the “smart people” continuously fail to deliver with the advances you mention.
Amazing that the horse dewormer that many mock now won the Nobel prize just a few years back, but the patent had run out and, shucks, you know it's just not as profitable for those pharmaceutical companies as some experimental MRNA shot.
This is a symptom of a much larger problem that our society faces. I am sorry it feels like mocking but it really is just that absurd on its face that this is where we are. By the way, once you prove Sasquatch DOES NOT exist, do let the rest of us know.
I don’t believe in Sasquatch, and also don’t believe in dogging people fighting cancer or whatever else life throws at them however they see fit when the people in charge aren’t getting it done.
The medicine itself is not being mocked, using it for something that it won’t help is what is being crtiticized. Getting it from the feed store is what is being mocked
Wow I think some folks on here are not paying full attention to the experiences of others on this board....
It's not like the studies say it's a replacement for but Is an enhancement to or to be used along with current protocols.
It's not like the studies say it's a replacement for but Is an enhancement to or to be used along with current protocols.
Big Pharma caused the prescription pain medicine crisis.
Why wouldn't we trust them?
Trust the science!
It is pretty amazing how tone deaf some people are.
I just started reading this thread and have mixed feelings all the way around. Big pharma is a business, and people make a lot of money by jacking up the cost of necessary meds. With that said there needs to be incentive to create new meds. Just had a friend die of ALS, and an uncle after Alzheimer’s, I sure wish they would research those.
Dewormer… not something. I believe in. But I have a patient who used it along with his cancer and is in remission. I’d probably use it to.
I don’t prescribe to conspiracy theories involving oncology preventing cancer cures so they can stay in business. I think most of us can agree Fauci let his ego and flat out pride get in the way of how to treat COVID. I do believe in the vaccine and don’t think it was suddenly created. Without this innovation a lot more people would have died of polio, malaria, whooping cough, and many more.
There are a lot of biased studies and a lot of junk science out there. I think wish there were definite answers. We live in a world of misinformation. It’s obvious there are two sides in this thread and I agree with both
Dewormer… not something. I believe in. But I have a patient who used it along with his cancer and is in remission. I’d probably use it to.
I don’t prescribe to conspiracy theories involving oncology preventing cancer cures so they can stay in business. I think most of us can agree Fauci let his ego and flat out pride get in the way of how to treat COVID. I do believe in the vaccine and don’t think it was suddenly created. Without this innovation a lot more people would have died of polio, malaria, whooping cough, and many more.
There are a lot of biased studies and a lot of junk science out there. I think wish there were definite answers. We live in a world of misinformation. It’s obvious there are two sides in this thread and I agree with both
Anecdotal experiences of biased people do not = science, man. Give me a double blind study from a reputable organization that says its effective, and I'll bite. They aren't surpressing valid studies because it's generic. They are saying there is no reason to believe scientifically it will work and most likely its a placebo effect.
A whole lot of this. ^
"We" forget the innovations of and how vaccines saved so many lives and prevented so many illnesses. They are a victim of their own effectiveness. Big Pharma sucks, which is something I think we can all agree on, as it is driven by and large by profits. The saying of "the plural of anecdote is not data" is a true statement, but anecdotes can (and do) drive valuable research. Drawing this hard lines that so many do draw is just not helpful. There is a lot of profit in misleading just as there is much profit for Big Pharma to push newer more profitable drugs. "Studies" like the one linked pull on hope rather than fact. I do fully understand the desire for many of these inexpensive medications to work, and hope they do or wish they did.
Ultimately, we live pretty unhealth lifestyles, which leads to disease that may required pharmaceuticals to be prescribed. There are absolutely times where crappy diseases pop up with seeming no cause. If you want to f-over Big Pharma, be healthier. Heart disease, hypertension, cancers, other lifestyle diseases are the leading causes of disease and death.
Big Pharma spends more on Advertising than on R&D... Let that sink in folks...
The study found that “Of the 10 drug manufacturers examined, 7 of them spent more on selling and marketing expenses than they did on research and development. For this group of 10 companies alone, selling and marketing expenses exceeded R&D spending by $36 billion, or 37%.” AHIP emphasized that, “this use of dollars occurred during a year dedicated to the development of new treatments and vaccines to overcome the COVID-19 crisis.”
The study shows that brand name drug manufacturers including AbbVie, Pfizer, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, Sanofi, Bayer and Johnson & Johnson all spent more on marketing and selling their products in 2020 than they did on developing new treatments:
www.csrxp.org
The study found that “Of the 10 drug manufacturers examined, 7 of them spent more on selling and marketing expenses than they did on research and development. For this group of 10 companies alone, selling and marketing expenses exceeded R&D spending by $36 billion, or 37%.” AHIP emphasized that, “this use of dollars occurred during a year dedicated to the development of new treatments and vaccines to overcome the COVID-19 crisis.”
The study shows that brand name drug manufacturers including AbbVie, Pfizer, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, Sanofi, Bayer and Johnson & Johnson all spent more on marketing and selling their products in 2020 than they did on developing new treatments:
- AbbVie spent $11 billion on sales and marketing in 2020, compared to $8 billion on R&D.
- Pfizer spent $12 billion on sales and marketing, compared to $9 billion on R&D.
- Novartis spent $14 billion on sales and marketing, compared to $9 billion on R&D.
- GlaxoSmithKline spent $15 billion on sales and marketing, compared to $7 billion on R&D.
- Sanofi spent $11 billion on sales and marketing, compared to $6 billion on R&D.
- Bayer spent $18 billion on sales and marketing, compared to $8 billion on R&D.
- Johnson & Johnson spent $22 billion on sales and marketing, compared to $12 billion on R&D.
ICYMI: NEW STUDY FINDS BIG PHARMA SPENT MORE ON SALES AND MARKETING THAN R&D DURING PANDEMIC
AHIP Study Finds Top Drug Companies’ Sales and Marketing Budgets Swamp R&D Budgets In case you missed it, America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) released a new study Wednesday that found Big Pharma continued to spend more advertising and selling its products than investing in research and...
www.csrxp.org
Blame the far right all you want but the CDC literally decided to flush every oz of trust during 2020 so it is what it is.
And just based on the guy that beat small cell cancer alone, I know that if, heaven forbid, I am in that same boat one day, I will too try the MD Anderson route and then this cocktail.
And just based on the guy that beat small cell cancer alone, I know that if, heaven forbid, I am in that same boat one day, I will too try the MD Anderson route and then this cocktail.
The only reason you don't "trust" the CDC is because you have a fundamental lack of understanding of how science/vaccines/pandemics/viruses work. Once you realize that they don't know everything about a new disease immediately, that viruses mutate, that somethings are better safe than sorry and that nothing is 100% effective, you realize they were doing the best they could with the knowledge they had and as that knowledge developed it was not shocking or even surprising the guidelines and recommendations changed.
I don’t trust the CDC because I know friends and family that had to let their loved ones pass away alone and not attend a funeral while the elites got to party and the CDC said it was ok to march and riot in groups of thousands but not attend my best friends funeral
So don’t fvcking tell me about why I don’t trust the cdc
I'm pretty sure the CDC never said marching in groups was ok or that elites are allowed to party - those people did so in contravention of CDC guidelines.
I don't think anyone here was trying to crap on "people with cancer". That sure seems like a strawman to me, not to mention that it's a pretty crummy thing to accuse someone of doing.
And while I would never want to belittle anything to a cancer patient that was giving them hope, I think there are valid questions about the morality of giving people a false hope in something.
BFD, if people with cancer want to take it or not it’s their prerogative. I have a younger brother with Stage 4 pancreatic and liver cancer who I told about this and he declined. I for one would give I a shot.
I disagree. I have NO doubt pharma does everything it can to keep treatments off the market that they can't make money on. I have a buddy who's brother is a lobbyists for the oil industry but used to lobby for pharma. He switched to the oil industry because big pharma was too dangerous. It's a dirty, greedy business that cares more about profit than a cure. Same with research! There is no grants $$$$ for generic drugs so little to no research.
This is bullshit. They denied any effectiveness and demonized hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin so they could get emergency use permits gor high $$$ drugs pharma owned. Fauci lied along with the CDC.
For the record, 2 board members have told their stories how dewormer healed their cancer, it is literally tacked to the top of the board. We also have many family members here taking dewormer for cancer and it is working.
One of these members is well known at the OU Health Center and they will tell you dewormer defeated his cancer.
One of these members is well known at the OU Health Center and they will tell you dewormer defeated his cancer.
There is plenty of grant money for studies in the effectiveness of off label uses. That’s why the government literally spends billions funding grants. Quit pretending that pharmaceutical companies are the only ones funding research. And it’s not just the US either.
Correlation does not = causation. Lots of people believe lots of different things regarding why things get healed that doesn’t make them true. It’s astonishing that people truly believe doctors and hospitals are so
Corrupt they’d ignore cancer curing medicine. Y’all people are wild
Let’s see that blind, peer reviewed study, champ. If this was true, it’d be everywhere by now
One thing is perfectly clear here. This board is teeming with absolute nut jobs and there is a reason why we are nearly last in the new Big XII in available NIL funds.
You mean... the Jews DO have space lasers that cause California wildfires?
It is nice to see that @keegerosu finally found someone to have a play date with, @OSUBigBadBob , it appears it is a match made in heaven.
I beg to differ. I looked at some of your posting history. You make Elmer McCurdy look like a genius and that is almost impossible to do. Education was not so hot back then either.
You are a yellow belly too dumb to acknowledge the corn, a wobblin jaw too big for his britches. Brain cavity too small to make a drinking cup for a canary. Probably crazy enough to eat the devil with the horns on.
You should ask someone to shoot you and put you out of your misery.
