Would a lawyer lie about this?

[MegaPoke]

in general I detest lawyers, so I'm taking this with a grain of salt, but it seems like a pretty declarative statement to attach your name to you if you are trumps lawyer.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...s-tax-returns-show-no-income-from-russia-with

 

[GL97]

in general I detest lawyers, so I'm taking this with a grain of salt, but it seems like a pretty declarative statement to attach your name to you if you are trumps lawyer.

One way to find out. Release the tax returns.

"with a few exceptions"

 

[Been Jammin]

I think it is probably true. I have always been of the opinion that the reason Trump doesn't want his tax returns released is that he he isn't close to as wealthy as he claims to be or as he wants everyone to think he is. He cares too much about what everyone thinks of him.

I, also, think that if there is any Russian connection, to his people, it is entirely possible that he knew/knows nothing about it.

 

[GL97]

I think it is probably true. I have always been of the opinion that the reason Trump doesn't want his tax returns released is that he he isn't close to as wealthy as he claims to be or as he wants everyone to think he is. He cares too much about what everyone thinks of him.

I, also, think that if there is any Russian connection, to his people, it is entirely possible that he knew/knows nothing about it.

I personally think there are numerous political problems for Trump in his tax returns. Everything from what you articulated regarding his wealth, to how little in taxes he pays, to his foreign connections, etc.

Maybe it is just one or two problems, but something is there that keeps Trump from releasing them.

 

[MegaPoke]

I think it is probably true. I have always been of the opinion that the reason Trump doesn't want his tax returns released is that he he isn't close to as wealthy as he claims to be or as he wants everyone to think he is. He cares too much about what everyone thinks of him.

I, also, think that if there is any Russian connection, to his people, it is entirely possible that he knew/knows nothing about it.

I can buy much of this.

But if it's just a matter of proving degrees of wealth, I don't much care.

 

[Been Jammin]

I can buy much of this.

But if it's just a matter of proving degrees of wealth, I don't much care.

I actually agree with GL7 that there is more there. Maybe minimal charitable giving (due to not having a lot of disposable income), and using questionable loopholes to limit taxes paid. But, I think the primary driver is that he is a bullshitter and a narcissist.

 

[CowboyJD]

in general I detest lawyers, so I'm taking this with a grain of salt, but it seems like a pretty declarative statement to attach your name to you if you are trumps lawyer.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...s-tax-returns-show-no-income-from-russia-with

In lawyer talk....all that constitutes is an admission that he has income from Russia.

"With a few exceptions" is a Godzilla sized hedge.....could mean anything.

 

[Alpha Poke]

FIFY

I actually agree with GL7 that there is more there. Maybe minimal charitable giving (due to not having a lot of disposable income), and using questionable loopholes to limit taxes paid. But, I think the primary driver is that he is a bullshitter and a narcissist.

Your dismissal of his business acumen is hilarious. If he were a veterinarian you'd be selling something of his outta your practice.

 

[NeekReevers]

Been' post has always made the most sense to me. He's such a narcissist it would tear him up to admit he's not as rich as he says. I don't see a substantially wealthy guy in real estate coming out with things like steaks and bottled water if he's really doing that well.

 

[Alpha Poke]

You don't see rich guys looking for other revenue streams?

Thats the most simple thing I've read on the internet ever.

 

[NeekReevers]

You don't see rich guys looking for other revenue streams?

Thats the most simple thing I've read on the internet ever.

Typically the look for positive revenue streams.

 

[Alpha Poke]

What? You just doubled down on simple.

 

[TPOKE]

Man, it really sucks having a true businessman as president instead of some political hack.

 

[GL97]

In lawyer talk....all that constitutes is an admission that he has income from Russia.

I thought the same thing.

Kinda surprised the lawyer said that actually.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

No equity investments, huh? Say anything about owing $?

Trump is a corrupt, crazy, born on 3rd base, fool and probably a net pauper if you don't back out all his bankruptcies. All that said, I don't think he would be this brazen and make all these representations if he has financial ties to Russia or owes Russians money. Surely not. I guess I'm almost, sort of, nearly inclined to consider believing him for once just because the lies would be so easily disprovable. Or maybe I have stockholm syndrome.

Remember when Dubya was going to invade Iraq on the basis of wmd's and Saddam didn't deny having them? (Mega and most of the cons on here were really cheering Dubya on) Saddam refused inspections. He could have made a phone call to the UN, allowed them full and complete access to whatever. He had no wmd's but allowed the perception that he did, due to his ego and awful judgment. That is a spectacular, self destructive, greek tragedy. The same ego and drive that got him the country lost him the country and got him hanged.

Maybe Biff is pulling a mini-Saddam and he's squeaky clean with Russia. Maybe he's not turning over taxes and firing investigators because of pride and bad judgment. I don't know which is worse though - owing money to mother russia and lying about it, or being too crazy to clean it up.

 

[JimmyBob]

Man, it really sucks having a true businessman as president instead of some "narcissistic" political hack.

FIFY.

 

[mseabolt]

I actually agree with GL7 that there is more there. Maybe minimal charitable giving (due to not having a lot of disposable income), and using questionable loopholes to limit taxes paid. But, I think the primary driver is that he is a bullshitter and a narcissist.

So did BHO and Biden's minimal charitable giving running up to their presidential run bothered you? .. I mean I never heard a word about it and not once heard anyone speculate why they gave so little. There are lifelong politicians on both sides of the aisle that give an embarrassing amount back considering who pays their income and also how those pretty average incomes turn into multi-million dollar wealth portfolios. They are all, well at least a yuge percent, looking our for themselves and will do whatever it takes to stay in power.

How many years have you paid taxes that you did not take very deduction available to you? If the law allows it, why would someone not take it. I honestly doubt anyone here knows someone that just pays more taxes than they could get away with.

There is no doubt he is a bullshitter and narcissist .. I doubt that has a lot to do with his taxes .. I think withholding them is driving the left nuts and that has a lot more to do with it.

 

[GL97]

Remember when Dubya was going to invade Iraq on the basis of wmd's and Saddam didn't deny having them? (Mega and most of the cons on here were really cheering Dubya on) Saddam refused inspections. He could have made a phone call to the UN, allowed them full and complete access to whatever. He had no wmd's but allowed the perception that he did, due to his ego and awful judgment. That is a spectacular, self destructive, greek tragedy. The same ego and drive that got him the country lost him the country and got him hanged.

Maybe Biff is pulling a mini-Saddam and he's squeaky clean with Russia. Maybe he's not turning over taxes and firing investigators because of pride and bad judgment. I don't know which is worse though - owing money to mother russia and lying about it, or being too crazy to clean it up.

Good point.

I think the odds are very good that he is hiding something in his tax returns though. Could all of this be his pride at work? Perhaps, I guess . . . but as you posted, that wouldn't be much better.

I thought for a while during the '16 campaign that he was waiting on releasing his tax returns till closer to election day just to one up the Clinton campaign and some in the media.

 

[imprimis]

I think withholding them is driving the left nuts and that has a lot more to do with it.

Ding ding ding

 

[Been Jammin]

So did BHO and Biden's minimal charitable giving running up to their presidential run bothered you? .. I mean I never heard a word about it and not once heard anyone speculate why they gave so little. There are lifelong politicians on both sides of the aisle that give an embarrassing amount back considering who pays their income and also how those pretty average incomes turn into multi-million dollar wealth portfolios. They are all, well at least a yuge percent, looking our for themselves and will do whatever it takes to stay in power.

How many years have you paid taxes that you did not take very deduction available to you? If the law allows it, why would someone not take it. I honestly doubt anyone here knows someone that just pays more taxes than they could get away with.

There is no doubt he is a bullshitter and narcissist .. I doubt that has a lot to do with his taxes .. I think withholding them is driving the left nuts and that has a lot more to do with it.

Did I say that him figuring out a way to pay less taxes or not giving more to charity bothered me? No. I did not.

But, those things would open him up to criticism (deserved or not), and that may be part of what is driving him to not share the information.

In relation to charitable contributions, he has made multiple claims about being extremely charitable, so sharing his tax returns could open up more questions about whether he is honest and credible or not.

I don't believe your theory that he is only doing it to taunt the left. That is bullshit. If he had nothing to hide, he would have made them public prior to the election when the outcome was still in doubt.

 

[mseabolt]

I don't believe your theory that he is only doing it to taunt the left. That is bullshit. If he had nothing to hide, he would have made them public prior to the election when the outcome was still in doubt.

Obama had nothing to hide but he didn't release his birth certificate

In relation to charitable contributions, he has made multiple claims about being extremely charitable, so sharing his tax returns could open up more questions about whether he is honest and credible or not.

I bet he thinks he is very charitable even though his taxes do not say so. This take goes along wiht his other delusional issues .. probably thinks he helps and says he helps a lot of people .. "well I help a lot of people that would not show up on the taxes". Probably some truth to that for everyone.

Did I say that him figuring out a way to pay less taxes or not giving more to charity bothered me? No. I did not.

I didn't say you did. I asked a question. I have seen it brought up a lot though so it bugs some people that didn't get bugged before.

 

[JohnVoight]

I believe he knows, or probably Bannon more specifically, that even if his returns were sparkling clean, the left would concoct a talking point and hit him with everything they have via its media arm (like they are doing today). See Maddow's utter idiocy, she was as giddy as she could be on MSDNC before showing the world the tax rate he paid in a single year. We're lead to believe if only he would release his tax returns, the country could put that to rest and dems and reps could begin working together in a bipartisan fashion to fix what's wrong. Whereas spineless republicans would've believed this drivel in the past and capitulated, Trump instead plays by his own rules. You give the left an inch, they'll take a mile.

The only people who are still crying about his tax returns are the same crybabies who were crying before alienating centrists and losing the election. I don't know if he intentionally uses the tax return story as misdirection / to piss off the left or not. I just know it's disingenuous of the left and media to keep crying about this while looking the other way on the Clinton Foundation for years.

I agree with @Been Jammin , he doesn't want them released because his thin skin doesn't want the world to know his net worth is probably much lower than he portrays.

 

[Alpha Poke]

You guys would have to outlive Methuselah to come close to what he's accomplished, but he's a dolt.

Do you realize how f'n stupid that is?

He's lapping you every day and your talking shit like he's a simpleton.

Grade yourself on the same curve.

 

[hollywood]

Much of where his income, loans, etc. in reality would almost certainly NOT be referenced in his tax returns. When you're setting up these sort of things and the person providing the money does not want it tracked by to them, they typically set up a number of shell corporations and fronts to hide the actual source.

https://www.icij.org/offshore/geoffrey-taylor

So, let's say that Yuri Billionaireski wants to spend some money and get it out of Russia, he just simply sets up a series of shell companies, each owning the next, all around the world until finally it's considered safely ensconced in a foreign country. So, let's say the ol' Yuri decides to bankroll a Property Project in the USA or elsewhere, it's quite likely any loan documents will be in the name of "Easytobeanonymous, Inc. (Del.)" rather than in Yuri's name as a personal lender. If you try and find out who is really the owner of that Delaware Shell Corp, lots of luck because there's likely a dozen or more shell companies behind it.

So, the fact that there's no Yuri Billionairski type names showing up in Trump's tax returns means virtually nothing.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Much of where his income, loans, etc. in reality would almost certainly NOT be referenced in his tax returns. When you're setting up these sort of things and the person providing the money does not want it tracked by to them, they typically set up a number of shell corporations and fronts to hide the actual source.

https://www.icij.org/offshore/geoffrey-taylor

So, let's say that Yuri Billionaireski wants to spend some money and get it out of Russia, he just simply sets up a series of shell companies, each owning the next, all around the world until finally it's considered safely ensconced in a foreign country. So, let's say the ol' Yuri decides to bankroll a Property Project in the USA or elsewhere, it's quite likely any loan documents will be in the name of "Easytobeanonymous, Inc. (Del.)" rather than in Yuri's name as a personal lender. If you try and find out who is really the owner of that Delaware Shell Corp, lots of luck because there's likely a dozen or more shell companies behind it.

So, the fact that there's no Yuri Billionairski type names showing up in Trump's tax returns means virtually nothing.

What would it mean if his name DID show up? What if the billionaire investor was from Germany? Would you worry that Angela Merkel might have a hold on him? What if the investor was Japanese or Venezuelan or Vietnamese? Why the concern about a potential Russian investor? What if it was an American investor that participated in one of Trump's deals, maybe a Democrat. Should Republicans insist on a special prosecutor to assure no untoward collusion with Democrats?

Besides, the situation as you describe it would be a transaction between one of the Russian's corporations and one of Trump's, not some nefarious, secret deal between Trump himself and the investor personally. Trump's corporation put a package together and sought investors to finance it and one of the investors was a company created precisely to participate in deals that they think will make a handsome return. The fact that one of the investors may be Russian seems to me to be insignificant. Am I mistaken?

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

Jack and Squat are two words to keep in mind regarding this topic.

 

[Been Jammin]

Jack and Squat are two words to keep in mind regarding this topic.

You have no idea. None of us do. You act like you know, while the rest of us admit that we are just speculating.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Jack and Squat are two words to keep in mind regarding this topic.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

You have no idea. None of us do. You act like you know, while the rest of us admit that we are just speculating.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

You guys would have to outlive Methuselah to come close to what he's accomplished, but he's a dolt.

Do you realize how f'n stupid that is?

He's lapping you every day and your talking shit like he's a simpleton.

Grade yourself on the same curve.

He's a crazy brat. He was born rich, has declared bankruptcy over and over and is afraid to show his taxes. Anyone on this board that inherited a couple hundred million and take it to Edward D. Jones and greatly outperform Biff.

I haven't bankrupted hundreds of millions of dollars. A majority of the country doesn't hate me. I don't cheat or steal. I'm not a patholigical liar. I can get a loan in the United States.

He won, and i gotta give him that. Beyond that just what has he done that's so impressive?

 

[HighStickHarry]

He's a crazy brat. He was born rich, has declared bankruptcy over and over and is afraid to show his taxes. Anyone on this board that inherited a couple hundred million and take it to Edward D. Jones and greatly outperform Biff.

I haven't bankrupted hundreds of millions of dollars. A majority of the country doesn't hate me. I don't cheat or steal. I'm not a patholigical liar. I can get a loan in the United States.

He won, and i gotta give him that. Beyond that just what has he done that's so impressive?

You are a lawyer and a liberal. The majority of the country hates you. You are also pathologically myopic in order to make what you think are points. I don't see a big distinction.

 

[CowboyJD]

You are a lawyer and a liberal. The majority of the country hates you. You are also pathologically myopic in order to make what you think are points. I don't see a big distinction.

So Sys is AS successful as Trump......just not more so.

You guys would have to outlive Methuselah to come close to what he's accomplished, but he's a dolt.

Do you realize how f'n stupid that is?

He's lapping you every day and your talking shit like he's a simpleton.

Grade yourself on the same curve.

Sys wins....

 

[HighStickHarry]

I think sys and trump have more in common than trump and anyone on this board. Mostly personality, a detachment from being fair minded, and I think they are probably pretty close in their actual religious beliefs.

 

[Alpha Poke]

He's a crazy brat. He was born rich, has declared bankruptcy over and over and is afraid to show his taxes. Anyone on this board that inherited a couple hundred million and take it to Edward D. Jones and greatly outperform Biff.

I haven't bankrupted hundreds of millions of dollars. A majority of the country doesn't hate me. I don't cheat or steal. I'm not a patholigical liar. I can get a loan in the United States.

He won, and i gotta give him that. Beyond that just what has he done that's so impressive?

He makes more selling his name than you'll make in five lifetimes.

No product, just his name.

You tell me what level of success that is.

 

[purkey]

not sure trump thinks things through....that is the dumbest statement/release that could have been put out there. It does nothing but open more doors, whether there is anything behind them or not.

 

[wyomingosualum]

I wonder if I have any Russian investments in my mutual funds. Seriously.

Remember when Al Franken was questioning the Secretary of Health and Human Services nominee about his tobacco investments? And it turned out that Franken had tobacco company shares in his own portfolio?

 

[AC_Exotic]

I believe Trump's ties are with the Russian mafia, not Russian government.

 

[MegaPoke]

He's a crazy brat. He was born rich, has declared bankruptcy over and over and is afraid to show his taxes. Anyone on this board that inherited a couple hundred million and take it to Edward D. Jones and greatly outperform Biff.

I haven't bankrupted hundreds of millions of dollars. A majority of the country doesn't hate me. I don't cheat or steal. I'm not a patholigical liar. I can get a loan in the United States.

He won, and i gotta give him that. Beyond that just what has he done that's so impressive?

Underestimating the guy hasn't worked out well for you or the mountain of political talent who did the same though, has it?

 

[Alpha Poke]

They don't underestimate, they say straight up stupid shit every fn day like they're smarter.

Evidently his billions in prime propertie holdings mean he's bad at real estate because he understands bankruptcy. Hardly anybody uses that law to their advantage, especially in real estate.

Hell, everybody just walks away from a prime time hit and says f it, I'm gonna be president.

Yep, he's a dummy.

 

[Been Jammin]

They don't underestimate, they say straight up stupid shit every fn day like they're smarter.

Evidently his billions in prime propertie holdings mean he's bad at real estate because he understands bankruptcy. Hardly anybody uses that law to their advantage, especially in real estate.

Hell, everybody just walks away from a prime time hit and says f it, I'm gonna be president.

Yep, he's a dummy.

To be fair, he started with a big head start over Sys. Trump was a millionaire the day he was born. I think you are comparing apples to doorknobs.

With that said, he has made and lost millions (billions?) in the last 40 years, and you don't do that without being a smart businessman. But, there is a difference between intelligence and common sense. I think he has plenty of the former but is often lacking in the latter. Just my opinion.