Worst President since WW2?
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Please understand that the questions I ask are for my education of what is going on in the US not for a debate.
1) your income level below 100,000/100000 to1000000 or over one million per year.
2) 1% of americans are worth more than the other 99%( that is what I have read
and most of the democrats say is it true)
3) About 25% of americans are on some sort of welfare or govt subsidy programs.
so falling back on family or private charity is it feasible.
4) most of the states do not check for drugs for welfare recipients(your comments)
After I get answes to these I have more questions.
#1 isn't a question.
#2 isn't a question.
#3 isn't a question.
#4 isn't a question.
Any more question?
I never said that. It may be true, I don't know. But that's not a claim I've made.
Every one of the is a question. After reading your post these are the first questions
that came to my mind.
I will tell you about myself.
I live on about 5000$/month(1$ =140 rs) Ihave no mortgage,no car payments no credit card debts(We only use credit cards when we travel) no taxes this money comes from
my savings and investments no social security and no medicare.
Rest of them are questions as per your post and I am asking them to understand your post completely plus to understand your welfare system better.
Promise no debate(If you can take the word of a Pakistani)
that came to my mind.
I will tell you about myself.
I live on about 5000$/month(1$ =140 rs) Ihave no mortgage,no car payments no credit card debts(We only use credit cards when we travel) no taxes this money comes from
my savings and investments no social security and no medicare.
Rest of them are questions as per your post and I am asking them to understand your post completely plus to understand your welfare system better.
Promise no debate(If you can take the word of a Pakistani)
Yes. We all know how peace loving mooslims react to cartoons. Noooooooooo not a cartoon!
You are going to need to rephrase them then if you are asking me questions. However, I don't see how your questions are relevant to what I've said. There is nothing about me personally that affect why I believe what I do about social welfare systems.
If I make 34k, 100k, 350k, or 3.5M per year, that opinion doesn't change.
1. If you are asking my annual income, then my answer is that is nobody's business but me and my wife's. I would consider us upper middle class. Comfortable but not wealthy.
2. This isn't a question. I don't know if 1% of all American's have more accumulated wealth then the other 99%. I don't bother myself with what others make. It isn't my business to know. I'm entitled to nothing of theirs.
3. I don't know what percentage of American's are on some form of welfare. But yes, I believe that need could and would be met if there were no government safety net. American's are very generous and will take care of people.
4. Again, I never said this and don't know if it is true or not. I don't see how this is germane to the conversation at all.
Okay if you are talking about Mohd's wife Aisha this is from a book of hadith called Sahi Bokhari.
Shias believe she was 17(age difference aside)
Sunni scholars(NOt mullahs) in last 5 to 7 yrs have said she was 19 and a divorcee. Since
it has been on local tv also, the subject is not that controversial.
Also culturally even in Pakistan now in poor uneducated areas girls are married of
as soon as they start menstruating.
1400 yrs ago the customs were different and a lot of times young girls were married of to an older man who was rich because of the dowry the family of the girl would receive.)
It happens in the US also look at Trump and Melania if Trump had married her when he was 45.
You aren't seriously equating Trump getting married to Melania when they both are adults to child brides being married off to adult men, are you? Yes there is an age difference but one situation the girl has no ability to consent. I've said it before. Your equivocation knows no bounds and just makes you look a fool.
Your govt spends about 750 billion dollars a year on welfare. Charities and NGO's are separate.So you believe that this 750 billion would come from american people who can afford to give to the charities, What about the distribution system would it be fair.
You said you want the govt to stay away from your wallet then how would the things you take for granted like social security free high school etc be paid for.
I do agree with you to some extent on immigration but you have to understand that people are not rushing through our border for asylum. Though we had over 3 million afghanis who came to pakistan when soviet attacked them. Most of them are still here
and a lot of them have become Pakistani citizens.
You said American military is to protect its soil and its global interest and not to be the worlds policemen.That is a contradictory statement because your global interest may clash with other countries whose interest are different than yours hence global policemen.
I was not interested in what you make but which economic group you fall in.
I think that number is way too high. It probably includes things like Obama phones and many unneeded items. Here's the thing. When the government becomes your safety net you are free to become an asshole and alienate your friends and family. If you have to rely on your own personal support structure - two things happen. one, you become a better person so you'll have a support structure that will be there when you need them. And two, you start making better personal decisions because the results of being a bum become more dire.
You again use the word free. You need to stop that as it makes you look dumb. Nothing is free. I agree that there are certain collective services that the government is the correct entity to do on our behalf. Fire, police, military, roads, negotiations with foreign governments, etc. But I don't take any of that for granted. I don't think one of those services is necessarily public education or social security. Both of your examples are horribly inefficient and could just as easily be done privately.
Okay I guess.
It isn't contradictory at all. The US military is there to protect American interests period. We shouldn't be involved in say... the Venezuela revolution, Darfor ethnic cleansing, or taking down every two bit dictator. But I've no problem with the military killing those that actively plot to attack America. Rooting out Islamo-terrorists wherever they are in the world and killing them should be a top priority of the American military. Stopping China's cyberwar against America's businesses. Those are just a few examples.
Then ask a better question.
Oklahoma has no age limit for marriage, concept of consent exists now not 1400 yrs
ago.
The reason I gave Trumps example is because some girls are looking for sugar daddies and before the young girls families looked for sugar daddies.
Again you are wrong. In Oklahoma, you must be 18 before applying for a marriage license without parental approval, and as young as 16 with written parental consent. If a minor under 16 is pregnant or has a child, he or she may get married through a court order and parental consent (or consent by legal guardian).
The concept of consent has always existed. It may not have been codified into law, but it existed.
You just lied. You didn't mention Trump as a sugar daddy example. I call BS.
Dont fight it was obvious I was saying that because I had mentioned why young girls
were married to older men in olden times even today in some cultures.
In biblical times it was common for girls to be married off at 12, These marriages were arranged by the families.
So by your definition a girl could get married at 13 and would be acceptable under certain conditions. I think I said approximately the same thing not going into details.
In Pakistan they are debating a law which would prohibit marriage of girls under 18.
If that law passes dont you think there would be loop holes.
were married to older men in olden times even today in some cultures.
In biblical times it was common for girls to be married off at 12, These marriages were arranged by the families.
So by your definition a girl could get married at 13 and would be acceptable under certain conditions. I think I said approximately the same thing not going into details.
In Pakistan they are debating a law which would prohibit marriage of girls under 18.
If that law passes dont you think there would be loop holes.
You seem to be going down a really dis-interesting trail for me. You want to talk about the role of government, great. You want to equivocate your barbaric customs, not interesting to me.
Just like was done for all time. When you fall on hard times you turn to your personal support structure. Family, friends, church, charities, whatever. Just not government.
What you haven't asked is the root question. What's different about the government doing it vs. family and charity? The answer is simple. One is mandated and forced while the other is voluntary.
Obama was the worst president in my lifetime---since Truman. LBJ was next due to his push to create the welfare state and government handout state we see today. Carter was next. He was a decent person but a total incompetent.
I worked with Customs (now CBP) in Houston when Carter created the second gas shortage. Carter's creation, the Dept of Energy, decided they knew better how to disburse gasoline across the nation than the gas companies. We boarded ships (to clear them for customs, immigration and agriculture) coming into Houston to offload their crude oil. There was no place to put it as the storage tanks were full. Fully laden ships sat in the docks waiting for Carter to allow gas to be shipped to distributors so they could offload into the refineries. I used to sit in gas lines across the street from refineries brimming with gas. Carter's energy policy was the dems first attempt at socialism---nobody could get more gas to sell (percentage wise) than any other. Thus, the large sellers had to wait for the small sellers to deplete their supplies proportionally before each got the same percentage of gas redelivered. Sellers in large metro areas ran out of gas sooner than those in rural areas but couldn't get resupplied until smaller sellers sold off theirs.
I worked with Customs (now CBP) in Houston when Carter created the second gas shortage. Carter's creation, the Dept of Energy, decided they knew better how to disburse gasoline across the nation than the gas companies. We boarded ships (to clear them for customs, immigration and agriculture) coming into Houston to offload their crude oil. There was no place to put it as the storage tanks were full. Fully laden ships sat in the docks waiting for Carter to allow gas to be shipped to distributors so they could offload into the refineries. I used to sit in gas lines across the street from refineries brimming with gas. Carter's energy policy was the dems first attempt at socialism---nobody could get more gas to sell (percentage wise) than any other. Thus, the large sellers had to wait for the small sellers to deplete their supplies proportionally before each got the same percentage of gas redelivered. Sellers in large metro areas ran out of gas sooner than those in rural areas but couldn't get resupplied until smaller sellers sold off theirs.
Yes I understand that, one is mandated and the other is forced.
What if everybody around you is poor so would be the family and the church.
Yes they would survive some how or the other way. Poor people in Pakistan some how or the other survive eat one meal beg what ever. There is no Govt support and poverty rate (By Pakistani standard) is probably around 70%. Yes there are a lot of charities
and NGO"s helping poor people. That is why I asked you if the distribution system
would be fair, because here the bigger cities get a much larger share of the charities then small villages.
What about being the world's policemen,you didn't answer that how.is that possible when American interests are global.
I agree with you about govt staying away from my bedroom.Also that the sins of our fore fathers should not be forced on us.
You talked about laws legislated by the congress,should these laws be applicable
fairly on every body without prejudice.
I said that I believe in equal protection under the law. Of course they should be applied fairly on everyone.
I did answer about being the world's police.
I guess I don't get your question about the distribution system. Are you looking for some guarantee out of life? My only point about charity being distributed is that I'm fully convinced that it'll be distributed where the need is much better and more efficiently than government does.
He's mocking your total lack of logical progression.
Like most of your posts, it’s self explanatory.
You are a total piece of shit. You marry little girls and take their innocence by raping them. Melania Trump was an adult when she decided to marry Donald. **** you and Islam. Are you ever honest about anything?
Christianity has changed since biblical times but Islam hasn't. If you're mouth is moving, it's telling lies.
Please explain what was illogical.
I have never depended on any body what ever I am today is because of my efforts.
We do have support system just like you mentioned without govt being involved
I know how it works for well off and the poor.
Islam
has changed a lot and so has the culture it is rude to say that I rape young girls
and take their innocence by force.
Why do you guys have so much hatred you must be very unhappy.
So far almost every 'fact' you've posted has been show to be incorrect. So it logically progresses that your conclusions based on those 'facts' should also be incorrect. Yet you don't even consider that.
Also your posting style bounces around so much it is difficult to follow. You totally mistake correlation with causation. And your comparisons are ridiculous in the extreme. You make excuses and equivocate for your barbaric religion and customs. And lastly, have no self awareness or introspection.
Why do you lie all the time to cover the huge issues of Islam and how Muslims treat women, young girls, gays, Christians, or anyone that isn't Muslim or bow to every demand you make?
You have posted so many false things in numerous things it's mind blowing. Why can you not be honest? Islam and Christianity aren't even comparable and you know it but continue to push that idea.
I'm not unhappy, I just notice how you evil Muslims will always lie when trying to take over another country be it Israel, Europe, and now America. So **** you and your fake pedophile savior
According to an athiest your saviour is as good as mine so forget that.
I have not lied to protect Islam you have internet please check my statements.
We dont rape young girls that is not part of the religion,cannot be part of any religion
so you are full of crap.
ostatedchi since I promised you that I wont debate anything you said I wont.
But I will leave you with some observations.
Even though your constitution gives every citizen the same rights,it cannot give everybody the same intelligence or ability or oppurtunity.
you are fortunate to have a safety net of your family your church and your govt(Whether you like it or not), billions in this world dont.
Every religion and culture is different try to understand it from their point of view.
Yes people of different ethnic back ground have made it very big in your country.
Doesn't mean everybody of that back ground is going to do the same.
I know you hate Obama that is your right,tell me another person from the same
ethnic back ground and economic conditions to make it to the presidency of the US.
If he was born in Kenya(Like some one said) then your systems are pathetic that
he could produce a full american birth certificate.
You dont have to reply I understand your email and to some extent you.
If you ask an athiest he would say your saviour is as good or bad or false as mine.
I dont think that I have posted anything that I would call a lie Intentionally.
Once I did and I apologized.
I have never said that christianity and Islam are comparable.They are two different
religions with different sets of beliefs.
You dont know how muslim treat women you have some pre- concieved notions
from some story you read in the newspaper.
I dont even think you have read your bible or the history of christianity.
Adios
Wow. Another lie. I see a pattern here.
Oops. Yeah, we don't want to discuss your blatant dishonesty in order to try to make your 3rd world religion sound less 3rd world.
Holy shit. More lies coming out of your mouth. Muslim men treat their women like property than equals. ****ing pedophiles
@aliabedi - God and Jesus never married and raped an underage girl like your false phophet or God named Mohammed. Also, the bible doesn't preach hate and to kill everyone who isn't a Christian. But you have only told 1 lie on this board. You're just another Muslim lying to the infidels.
In fact I do know how Muslims treat 'their women'. I know because I support a school for Girls. You know this. Without international aid (mostly from America) these girls would live a complete life of oppression and subjection. I encourage you to read this with an open mind. https://raziasrayofhope.org/women-and-girls-in-afghanistan.html
So yeah, F you and your excuse making for your religion and for saying that you know better than me. Yes I know. Apparently better than you.
