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WTH? Again? Nobody says you claim "it requires only a religious test." You created that qualification after the fact because you were caught misrepresenting what the statute says.

More right wing alternate reality. Christ its so prevalent that conservatives don't even try -- he even linked the very statute that doesn't say what he claims. If wingnuts want to believe something, then it magically becomes true. That's the same process that got us in this mess to begin with. Feeble minded right wingers wanted everyone else to be afraid and believe Saddaam would nuke us, so they just believed it and passed it along as truth.

I also appreciate the rich sense of history or modern day conservative politicians have. There's a reason for the "no religious tests" clause in the constitution -- early colonialists hated and were afraid of the old test acts, which is sort of what right wingers want to re-institute. No wonder the con law professor is offended - anybody with a sense of history and the constitution would be uneasy with a religious means test.

(b) Conditions for granting asylum

(1) In general
(A) Eligibility

The Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General may grant asylum to an alien who has applied for asylum in accordance with the requirements and procedures established by the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General under this section if the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General determines that such alien is a refugee within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title.

(B) Burden of proof

(i) In general

The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title. To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.
 
I just have a hard time seeing kids waiting outside of barbed wire fences. I have a hard time hearing evangelical presidential candidates talk about how Christian they are and how they are doing god's work and then turn around and say no to people who have already experienced more suffering than these pricks. I can't imagine being a parent of one of these kids and feeling like you can't protect or provide for your children. This seems so contrary to Christian values. Isn't the best way to influence people to do good is to be the example....not to push them away. If someone can accept your gratitude and then stab you in the back....that is an example of someone who is the worst and those people will always be nearly impossible to sniff out.
 
Like I said, set up a camp or camps for them in Fall Church, Loudon, Fairfax and Arlington Counties in VA. Maybe some on the west coast too; maybe Marin or San Mateo County.
 
(b) Conditions for granting asylum

(1) In general
(A) Eligibility

The Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General may grant asylum to an alien who has applied for asylum in accordance with the requirements and procedures established by the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General under this section if the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General determines that such alien is a refugee within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title.

(B) Burden of proof

(i) In general

The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 1101(a)(42)(A) of this title. To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.

Glove's law degree is from "make shit up and spin it to match your agenda" college of law. There's no specific religious test -- there's only a requirement that someone be persecuted, and persecutions based on religion can be one of them.

Who taught you that spin of that statute, Glove? Alex Jones? Hannity? Or were you just perusing Title 8 and ran across it?
 
Glove's law degree is from "make shit up and spin it to match your agenda" college of law. There's no specific religious test -- there's only a requirement that someone be persecuted, and persecutions based on religion can be one of them.

Who taught you that spin of that statute, Glove? Alex Jones? Hannity? Or were you just perusing Title 8 and ran across it?

I'm not spinning it in any way. I don't watch nor listen to Hannity. I don't even know who Alex Jones is.

Here is where I got the information on the statute: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...merican-except-federal-law-requires-it-andrew

Here is the author's bio:


Andrew C. McCarthy III is a former assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. He led the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others. The defendants were convicted of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and of planning a series of attacks against New York City landmarks. He also contributed to the prosecutions of terrorists who bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He resigned from the Justice Department in 2003. He is a contributing editor of National Review and a senior fellow at the National Review Institute.



I dare say his legal career has been a little more notable than your own. I figure he knows more about it than you (and me). Sorry I can read and understand written words and you just base everything on emotion and made up BS.
 
I'm not spinning it in any way. I don't watch nor listen to Hannity. I don't even know who Alex Jones is.

Here is where I got the information on the statute: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...merican-except-federal-law-requires-it-andrew

Here is the author's bio:


Andrew C. McCarthy III is a former assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. He led the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others. The defendants were convicted of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and of planning a series of attacks against New York City landmarks. He also contributed to the prosecutions of terrorists who bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He resigned from the Justice Department in 2003. He is a contributing editor of National Review and a senior fellow at the National Review Institute.

I dare say his legal career has been a little more notable than your own. I figure he knows more about it than you (and me). Sorry I can read and understand written words and you just base everything on emotion and made up BS.

Never heard of him, but I looked him up and he's another political hack trying to glamorize a pedestrian career. He defended torture, even. He's a former assistant prosecutor that made an airtight case with airtight facts -- not a huge accomplishment, imo.... His legal spin is embarrassing.
 
Never heard of him, but I looked him up and he's another political hack trying to glamorize a pedestrian career. He defended torture, even. He's a former assistant prosecutor that made an airtight case with airtight facts -- not a huge accomplishment, imo.... His legal spin is embarrassing.
He probably doesn't have two dozen guns either. Definitely a hack.
 
There have already been a few of those syrian immigrants on the west coast. Steve Jobs' dad was one.
Never heard of him, but I looked him up and he's another political hack trying to glamorize a pedestrian career. He defended torture, even. He's a former assistant prosecutor that made an airtight case with airtight facts -- not a huge accomplishment, imo.... His legal spin is embarrassing.

Well he was the lead prosecutor of the Workd Trade Center bombers and is considered an expert on terrorism and the law. But, I'm sure you know best.
 
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Well he was the lead prosecutor of the Workd Trade Center bombers and is considered an expert on terrorism and the law. But, I'm sure you know best.
If I have one gripe about my time at Princeton Law it is they taught me to the point it was ingrained into habit to look at both sides of an issue and to be able to argue convincingly (at least enough for the rubes) either side regardless of which side is actually right. It comes in really handy at my practice since you don't always to be on the side with the facts, but it really gets you in the habit of being intellectually dishonest. Sure you win a lot of cases but you also find you self making up bullshit arguments that sound true on face (especially to the rubes) but after some examination they are false. It is a really troubling development for a man who likes to be honest like my self.
I am just glad this McCarthy character, mentioned above, preaching the real truth about how American religious tests are, was fortunate enough to go to a less prestigious and therefore more intellectually honest law school than Princeton. Clearly this man is a paragon of intellectual honesty and wouldn't make up stuff to fool the rubes into believing something untrue. With the example he is setting I believe that the hard earned reputation of nonPrinceton lawyers being intellectually honest truth tellers will be preserved for years to come.

The other thing I learned at PU was that the best argument is the argument from authority (but I heard at the less prestigious schools that this was considered a fallacy)
 
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If I have one gripe about my time at Princeton Law it is they taught me to the point it was ingrained into habit to look at both sides of an issue and to be able to argue convincingly (at least enough for the rubes) either side regardless of which side is actually right. It comes in really handy at my practice since you don't always to be on the side with the facts, but it really gets you in the habit of being intellectually dishonest. Sure you win a lot of cases but you also find you self making up bullshit arguments that sound true on face (especially to the rubes) but after some examination they are false. It is a really troubling development for a man who likes to be honest like my self.
I am just glad this McCarthy character, mentioned above, preaching the real truth about how American religious tests are, was fortunate enough to go to a less prestigious and therefore more intellectually honest law school than Princeton. Clearly this man is a paragon of intellectual honesty and wouldn't make up stuff to fool the rubes into believing something untrue. With the example he is setting I believe that the hard earned reputation of nonPrinceton lawyers being intellectually honest truth tellers will be preserved for years to come.


Somebody done went loco. You having issues at home?
 
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I did have an opportunity to sit down and speak for an hour with a few Syrian refugees last night.

While looking for the bus station here in Vienna, I accidentally stumbled into the Ferry-Dusika Hallenstadion which has been converted into a refugee center for men. I was immediately met by an aide worker who then introduced me to her assistant, a fellow from Aleppo and recently arrived refugee. This gentleman and I talked for half an hour.... He was sweet, cordial, engaging and extremely personable. We talked about our hometowns, discussed his journey over the last several years and attempted to discuss soccer. He told me I was the first American he had ever met (I'm thinking he wasn't impressed). I walked around the camp and was greeted by genuine smiles and hellos. There were no smug Muslims complaining about the lack of TV's or rejecting food. These were legitimate war-torn refugees who were exhausted, confused but thankful to have gotten this far.

What got me were the dozens of photos of separated families listed on the bulletin board. I'm not sure how this is all playing out on US TV but this is a real mess. A tragic mess. I can't imagine what these people are going through.
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Having said that, completing a realistic background check on these people will be no easy task. I saw refugees from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Bad deal.
 
How many refugees have we taken from parts of war torn Africa? How many have we taken that are starving to death in africa? How many Mexicans have we brought over that have lived in a war zone between the drug cartels and the Mexican army? How many innocent black youth have we bused out of the American ghettos to prevent them from inevitably joining a gang? All of the sudden it is "American" to lend a hand to these Syrian refugees? What a crock of shit.
 
Something is going on and what ever it is it is not designed to keep the America that people who grew up in the 60's, 70's and 80's would know.

Either younger people don't realize their country is being stolen or they have just been conditioned to accept it.

One day all the people that scream about bigotry against women, gays and minorities will wake up and find that all those people will be persecuted by the people they want to embrace today who have taken over their country.
 
Something is going on and what ever it is it is not designed to keep the America that people who grew up in the 60's, 70's and 80's would know.

Either younger people don't realize their country is being stolen or they have just been conditioned to accept it.

One day all the people that scream about bigotry against women, gays and minorities will wake up and find that all those people will be persecuted by the people they want to embrace today who have taken over their country.

They're not "conditioned to accept it"; a better term is clueless.
 
I wonder why Barry hasn't won full party support for his refugee plan? Why would any Democrats question Barry? His honesty record is off the charts!
 
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I wonder why Barry hasn't won full party support for his refugee plan? Why would any Democrats question Barry? His honesty record is off the charts!
Because all the dems in the House and at least 10 in the Senate are up for re-election. The first rule of law in DC is CYA and protect your cushy gig.
 
Because all the dems in the House and at least 10 in the Senate are up for re-election. The first rule of law in DC is CYA and protect your cushy gig.
This and when the real vote comes they'll change.
 
Something is going on and what ever it is it is not designed to keep the America that people who grew up in the 60's, 70's and 80's would know.

Either younger people don't realize their country is being stolen or they have just been conditioned to accept it.

One day all the people that scream about bigotry against women, gays and minorities will wake up and find that all those people will be persecuted by the people they want to embrace today who have taken over their country.
I can not stand the changes in this country. Far too many immigrants. Far too many brown folks. This country was established for white christians. White christians are actually known for their tolerance towards gays, women, and minorities. So the joke will be on the ninny libturds when the 10,000 Syrian refugees infilitrate America and institute Sharia law and over turn the nearly hundred year history of equality for women, the roughly 50 year history of equality for blacks, and the almost year long history of equality for the queers. All this tolerance and equality magnanimously granted to the ninny libturds torn asunder by these damn 10,000 Syrians.
 
I can not stand the changes in this country. Far too many immigrants. Far too many brown folks. This country was established for white christians. White christians are actually known for their tolerance towards gays, women, and minorities. So the joke will be on the ninny libturds when the 10,000 Syrian refugees infilitrate America and institute Sharia law and over turn the nearly hundred year history of equality for women, the roughly 50 year history of equality for blacks, and the almost year long history of equality for the queers. All this tolerance and equality magnanimously granted to the ninny libturds torn asunder by these damn 10,000 Syrians.


Can't beat em join em.
 
Can't beat em join em.
That is the libturd ninny way out. I'll never admit that I can't defeat the menace posed by the horde of 10,000 Syrians. And I damn sure will never will join them in their death cult and their Sharia laws.
 
One day all the people that scream about bigotry against women, gays and minorities will wake up and find that all those people will be persecuted by the people they want to embrace today who have taken over their country.


So how does it look if women "have taken over their country?"
 
How many refugees have we taken from parts of war torn Africa? While I don't know the answer, we've taken in lots of africans.

How many have we taken that are starving to death in africa? Ditto.

How many Mexicans have we brought over that have lived in a war zone between the drug cartels and the Mexican army? Well, to hear conservatives talk about it, several million, as they're purportedly streaming across the border at will.

How many innocent black youth have we bused out of the American ghettos to prevent them from inevitably joining a gang? Thousands, possibly millions. We literally bussed them out of ghettos into better schools, and conservatives bitched and screamed about that the whole time. Later, LBJ called it and said the white southerners would hate the civil rights movement and the democrat party would lose the south. He was right -- the bigots went to the GOP and haven't returned.

All of the sudden it is "American" to lend a hand to these Syrian refugees? What a crock of shit. Well, we've done it for a very long time. Ever been to Ellis Island?
 
How many refugees have we taken from parts of war torn Africa? While I don't know the answer, we've taken in lots of africans.

How many have we taken that are starving to death in africa? Ditto.

How many Mexicans have we brought over that have lived in a war zone between the drug cartels and the Mexican army? Well, to hear conservatives talk about it, several million, as they're purportedly streaming across the border at will.

How many innocent black youth have we bused out of the American ghettos to prevent them from inevitably joining a gang? Thousands, possibly millions. We literally bussed them out of ghettos into better schools, and conservatives bitched and screamed about that the whole time. Later, LBJ called it and said the white southerners would hate the civil rights movement and the democrat party would lose the south. He was right -- the bigots went to the GOP and haven't returned.

All of the sudden it is "American" to lend a hand to these Syrian refugees? What a crock of shit. Well, we've done it for a very long time. Ever been to Ellis Island?

This horse shit needed dramatic background music. Syskstine the humanitarian. Lol
 
There is no incredibly strained poor analogy that a lefty won't make to try to emotionally bolster a pet poor policy or goal.
 
I can not stand the changes in this country. Far too many immigrants. Far too many brown folks. This country was established for white christians. White christians are actually known for their tolerance towards gays, women, and minorities. So the joke will be on the ninny libturds when the 10,000 Syrian refugees infilitrate America and institute Sharia law and over turn the nearly hundred year history of equality for women, the roughly 50 year history of equality for blacks, and the almost year long history of equality for the queers. All this tolerance and equality magnanimously granted to the ninny libturds torn asunder by these damn 10,000 Syrians.


Again... losing the argument results in thumb-sucking and acting like a 7th grader
 
I'm sorry. No more facts, I'm officially joining in your panic.

Here's to you all conquering your fears, of which there are many.

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