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Will the President reconsider accepting Syrian refugees...

The Supreme Court of the US has long held that the freedom of movement between states is a constitutionally protected right for citizens and legal residents. The SCOTUS has defined, going as far back as 1823, the freedom of movement to include the right of free ingress into other states and egress from them.
So are these Syrians now legal residents or citizens? The whole purpose of taking in refugees is to repatriate them to their home state at some point. Most refugees live in camps. Why does the Obama administration feel the need to scatter these refugees across the USA?
 
So are these Syrians now legal residents or citizens? The whole purpose of taking in refugees is to repatriate them to their home state at some point. Most refugees live in camps. Why does the Obama administration feel the need to scatter these refugees across the USA?
Once they go through the refugee process, they will be considered "legal residents." I would think that he is wanting to split them among the states so that one state does not have a very large burden and not have enough funds, BTW that the federal government has given to the states for this exact purpose, to cover the expense for these refugees.
 
There you go. First, in a war with China

Guessing this is a shot at me? If so take the dick out of your ears or I guess brain since you are reading this. I never said we are at war with China. I guess you never cracked a history book and studied past civilizations? Muslims are taking over and for the most part I don't care on this issue other then the fact that the higher % of them don't seem to stand up to these radicals. So if radical Islam is the problem and Islam is the fastest spreading religion then that would seem like this radical problem will only get worse since these type terrorist come out of Islam. Then again I tested very highly on all intelligent test that I have took so maybe I just have more smarts then you.

With Islam you aren't fighting a country you are fighting ideas and regions. Even Muslim countries have different variations of Islam in them so you can't just fight a country. There did I make that more clear for the small minded liberal goat?
 
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Once they go through the refugee process, they will be considered "legal residents." I would think that he is wanting to split them among the states so that one state does not have a very large burden and not have enough funds, BTW that the federal government has given to the states for this exact purpose, to cover the expense for these refugees.
I agree with Medic on this one. Why scatter them about? I say we concentrate them in one geographic area so that they can live amongst themselves and they never have to assimilate. I have heard that European countries have had major successes creating ghettos for people. Furthermore, if you spread them out, it puts the burden on American people to interact with them and be their neighbors. At first, this doesn't sound so bad, but then when you think if one of these refugees was up to no good, the horrible onus of reporting that suspicion would be on our countrymen. I for one don't think that is a burden that should be born by Americans. It is better to concentrate these refugees in a ghetto or a camp and let them police themselves for any suspicious behavior.
 
I agree with Medic on this one. Why scatter them about? I say we concentrate them in one geographic area so that they can live amongst themselves and they never have to assimilate. I have heard that European countries have had major successes creating ghettos for people. Further more if you spread them out it puts the burden on American people to interact with them and be their neighbors, which at first doesn't sound so bad, but then when you think if one of these refugees was up to no good the horrible onus of reporting that suspicion would be on our countrymen. I for one don't think that is a burden that should be born by Americans, it is better to concentrate these refugees in a ghetto or a camp and let them police themselves for any suspicious behavior.
Northern VA suburbs of DC, or Palo Alto/Sacramento, CA area.
 
I sure hope the President keeps the courage of his convictions on this. No way he should back down.
 
Guessing this is a shot at me? If so take the dick out of your ears or I guess brain since you are reading this. I never said we are at war with China. I guess you never cracked a history book and studied past civilizations? Muslims are taking over and for the most part I don't care on this issue other then the fact that the higher % of them don't seem to stand up to these radicals. So if radical Islam is the problem and Islam is the fastest spreading religion then that would seem like this radical problem will only get worse since these type terrorist come out of Islam. Then again I tested very highly on all intelligent test that I have took so maybe I just have more smarts then you.

With Islam you aren't fighting a country you are fighting ideas and regions. Even Muslim countries have different variations of Islam in them so you can't just fight a country. There did I make that more clear for the small minded liberal goat?

No, it was inadvertent and I didn't say you said anything about China. I remembered I shouldn't try to engage you, because you post this captain obvious shit (Muslims have different variations of Islam? Really? Are you sure? Islam isn't one country? How do you know?) and the chinese point was so stupid I was going to tee off on it and remembered I'm not engaging you... I'm sorry that wasn't erased --- I thought it was. You're just such a nitwit I nibbled the cheese and forgot the futility of arguing with someone that apparently thinks they're making a contribution by making 4th grade-level points. Over and over, day after day, obvious, emotional, mouthbreathing, elementary school-level, conservative talking points. And you're fascinated by these points.

I got sucked back in. I promised I wouldn't and I did. But I did, so please tell me some more about Islam isn't one particular country.
 
I agree with Medic on this one. Why scatter them about? I say we concentrate them in one geographic area so that they can live amongst themselves and they never have to assimilate. I have heard that European countries have had major successes creating ghettos for people. Furthermore, if you spread them out, it puts the burden on American people to interact with them and be their neighbors. At first, this doesn't sound so bad, but then when you think if one of these refugees was up to no good, the horrible onus of reporting that suspicion would be on our countrymen. I for one don't think that is a burden that should be born by Americans. It is better to concentrate these refugees in a ghetto or a camp and let them police themselves for any suspicious behavior.

Let them move in next door me. For one these people hardly ever blow their own house up. I would be more worried about Obama and his drones then the Muslim living next door. Like sys I own guns so they would have to be stupid to pick a fight with me at my house. I agree putting them in their own community all together is a terrible idea and IMO if they are terrorist them ISIS would have a strong hold in this country or safe haven to operate in. If they are let into the country they have to be assimilated.
 
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Northern VA suburbs of DC, or Palo Alto/Sacramento, CA area.
I don't know. Those areas seem a little too cosmopolitan. It is better to keep them isolated and alienated from any American community. Some place either sparsely populated (but near critical infrastructure like dams and power plants) or community that is hostile and unwelcoming. We don't need these refugees thinking this is a vacation, participating in America and integrating. We want them to be alone isolated and bored to death. Sure it won't be fun for them but I am sure they can find something to fill their time, maybe read the Koran, or watch some youtube clips. I hear there are some very good clips targeted at isolated and alienated Muslims.
 
I suspect decision makers serious about fighting ISIS WANTS syrian natives' help. Their language and cultural familiarity with our enemy would probably be helpful.
 
I repeat the same 4th grade comments? This coming from the guy who blames Bush for everything wrong in the world. You are so dense it isn't even funny anymore. On Islam not being a country I was agree with you dumbass on the fact that invading a country isn't the answer. Man I hope one day all us low life's can get on your level. You are what is wrong with America always blaming something instead on grabbing the bull by the horns and dealing with the issue.
 
I suspect decision makers serious about fighting ISIS WANTS syrian natives' help. Their language and cultural familiarity with our enemy would probably be helpful.
What a reach.
 
I don't know. Those areas seem a little too cosmopolitan. It is better to keep them isolated and alienated from any American community. Some place either sparsely populated (but near critical infrastructure like dams and power plants) or community that is hostile and unwelcoming. We don't need these refugees thinking this is a vacation, participating in America and integrating. We want them to be alone isolated and bored to death. Sure it won't be fun for them but I am sure they can find something to fill their time, maybe read the Koran, or watch some youtube clips. I hear there are some very good clips targeted at isolated and alienated Muslims.
Yes, tell me more about how these tolerant Muslim refugees just love to integrate into western cultures. Or about how little money they require for support. Or about how they stay where they are supposed to while having their future status sorted out.

Let's just bring them in and turn them loose. We do such a good job with the millions of "undocumented" immigrants here already. I'm sure the "robust" vetting process will have kept any and all radical islamic terrorists from hitching a ride. That Syrian government is sure good at providing accurate information, provided of course that the refugee is actually Syrian...
 
Quick question: Does the importation of these refugees bring forth a valid question of security?
 
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Quick question: Does the importation of these refugees bring forth a valid question of security?

Eh. It might make people feel like they're doing something, but that's about it. How about our open borders for the last 239 years? For some reason the USSR, Nazi's, Kaiser, etc. never really took advantage of it. I think the reason is that it's just not that hard to get into the country if someone wants to. Why imbed terrorists with refugees? They can simply come for college, or a vacation, or slip in through either huge border or huge coastline. If a terrorists really so stupid that they couldn't figure out how to get here before this refugee mess? I've come in on a fishing charter and wondered what keeps someone from just pulling up in a boat wherever they want -- boats come and o all the time into a thousand docks and ports without any scrutiny whatsover. Even the 911 guys were all legally here for various reasons, weren't they?

Also, don't jump to conclusions re: terrorists coming in with refugees:
 
So intuitively speaking a governor has grounds to refuse to accept them correct?
 
let me rephrase: so governors should have no concerns regarding the security situation within the state they govern?
 
The Supreme Court of the US has long held that the freedom of movement between states is a constitutionally protected right for citizens and legal residents. The SCOTUS has defined, going as far back as 1823, the freedom of movement to include the right of free ingress into other states and egress from them.[/QUO

I just wasn't aware the constitution spelled out that immigration enforcement was the job of the federal government.
 
Thor, I'm not some flute-playing peacenik. I don't know all the facts about ISIS so I'm not real sure on exactly how to handle it. What complicates this is there's one dominant fact the media just doesn't cover much: Many, many muslims and arabs aren't all that upset about ISIS or killing westerners. They aren't terrorists per se, but they aren't stopping it or demanding their governments stop it, either.

You hear people say "all muslims aren't the same" and I'm sure that's true. How do they explain this? Do only terrorists like soccer games?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html

You also saw those "man on the street" celebrations after 911. Saudi's have anti-america rhetoric in their elementary school curriculum. Now, whenever there's an entire region of the world that seems to totally hate the west... the solution may not fit on a bumber sticker. I know this: Europe is in a position culturally, historically and geographically to handle it better than we are. To take a page from your playbook, our bi government activism in the middle east has done more harm than good.

The local NBC affiliate just had an Okie Dr. from Syria saying the smart move is to take refugees. He made the same point that's true about many immigrants: many of them are highly talented and educated, and they just want a chance.
 
I just wasn't aware the constitution spelled out that immigration enforcement was the job of the federal government.
Nice try, but no where did I say that the COTUS addresses anything to do with immigration enforcement? The states cannot take away a constitutionally protected right of free movement is what I said. And states specifically take money from the federal government for refugee settlement. You cannot take the money and then say you are not going to take the refugees.
 
Nice try, but no where did I say that the COTUS addresses anything to do with immigration enforcement? The states cannot take away a constitutionally protected right of free movement is what I said. And states specifically take money from the federal government for refugee settlement. You cannot take the money and then say you are not going to take the refugees.

So if the states didn't take this refugee settlement money you'd be ok with what the governors are doing?
 
Yes, tell me more about how these tolerant Muslim refugees just love to integrate into western cultures. Or about how little money they require for support. Or about how they stay where they are supposed to while having their future status sorted out.

Let's just bring them in and turn them loose. We do such a good job with the millions of "undocumented" immigrants here already. I'm sure the "robust" vetting process will have kept any and all radical islamic terrorists from hitching a ride. That Syrian government is sure good at providing accurate information, provided of course that the refugee is actually Syrian...
Another good point by Medic. All this nonsense about not scattering the refugees across America completely ignores the easy and in my opinion best solution. Just shut the door to any Muslim or Middle-easterner. Elegantly simple. We already have roughly 5 million Muslims and frankly I am tired of hearing all these stories about their walled off Muslim enclaves where they don't integrate into America. On top of that they clearly don't buy into the free enterprise system we love in this country. If you are going to come to this country find something to do. There are thousands of options to get a start, you could drive a cab or run a convenience store, or hell get a hotel. But for the life of me I have yet to see a single Muslim do anything to integrate into our economic system. We will probably just end up paying them money to sit around and have babies. Thanks Obama.
I say we make this crystal clear for them. It is America (and the rest of the West if they aren't pussies) against Muslims. Home destroyed in Syria? Are you a Muslim? Looking for welcoming arms? F--- yourself. We don't like Muslims and you are better off looking for open arms somewhere else like a mosque or a caliphate. Go join ISIS see how good they treat you.
I know some of you libturd ninnies might say, "but 07pilt, isn't this actually a war of ideas between western enlightenment principles and a medieval brutal religious sect, and really the only way we can truly lose this war would be to betray the values and principles that make us great?" And to that I say f--- yourself. America isn't great because of values and principles, it is great because I along with my family live here and we got ours Jack. I love America because it is safe and I don't ever have to think about a violent death so long as a live here (Mental Health issues don't count). Seeing what happened in Paris literally made me shit my self in fear. After learning what those French and Belgian nationals did I cannot allow this great country to allow any Syrians in these borders. I frighten easily, and my underwear budget is going to skyrocket if I have to encounter brown people regularly (on account of me shitting my self with fear all the time).
 
I agree with Pilt I think you still have to let these people in. In poker I played odds a lot and IMO if what 8 people came in as refuges out of what 100,000 at least? Then is it really that scary? I also don't think this was the craziest attack of attacks. Hell the police were scared to even go in and rescue the people inside so if they hadn't waited then maybe the death toll would be even lower. If you ban these people then the terrorist win IMO. Also how many of you commit crimes with passports on you and in a place it could fall out and be left at the scene? What they did was terrible but it seems like there is another HUGE overreaction. Let them in to America and give them a smart phone. Then we will be able to track every move they make. If the conservative states ban them and they go to the liberal states then they will have their way. Bring them into states where people will help keep an eye on them. I can't even water one bush for 10 minutes during a water restriction period with out a neighbor calling me in. If they put a Muslim on my block trust me they would be under watch 24/7.
 
8 USC 1158: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158


The governing law under U.S. code specifically requires a religious test to as part of the determination as to if someone is eligible for asylum.
As a graduate of Princeton Law School I gotta concur wholeheartedly with this opinion. The law for asylum clearly calls for a religious test, along with a race test, and a political opinion test. At this point I have to say that not only can we apply a religious test, we would be damned fools to allow any one but white, Christian Republicans to seek refuge in the US (unfortunately we have to allow both men and women).
 
8 USC 1158: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158


The governing law under U.S. code specifically requires a religious test to as part of the determination as to if someone is eligible for asylum.

Could you direct me to that language? I didn't read that statute word for word, but all I saw is that they need to be fleeing from several things, including religious persecution, or can't have done several awful things, including religious persecution.
 
And there it is ladies and gentlemen.
There you have it folks. When you are an Alumnus of one of the most prestigious legal institutions in the history of the world it is hard to be humble. In fact if you look at law school rankings, you won't even find Princeton, because it is considered so above and beyond its competition that it isn't even worth ranking.
 
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I never said it requires only a religious test. Are Syrian Muslims being targeted for killing/persecution? I don't believe they are.

I'm not suggesting that religion can be or necessarily should be the only test. I'm saying, that the great Constitutional law professor has once again gotten it wrong when he says calls for a religious test when it comes to granting asylum are "Unamerican".
 
I never said it requires only a religious test. Are Syrian Muslims being targeted for killing/persecution? I don't believe they are.

I'm not suggesting that religion can be or necessarily should be the only test. I'm saying, that the great Constitutional law professor has once again gotten it wrong when he says calls for a religious test when it comes to granting asylum are "Unamerican".
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Not once in this widely circulated article about ISIS doesn't it mention them targeting Muslims. I don't understand why Syrian Muslims are fleeing in the first place. The article mentions slavery for Christians, but really it sounds like ISIS hates something called apostates the most (I don't know what an apostate means, it sounds like apostle so maybe it means just really devout Christian) but nothing about hating other Muslims.

I am from the Donald Trump school of immigration. We are a land of laws and if we don't follow the laws then we aren't really even a land anymore. So when I read that Asylum law and noticed it didn't apply to Syrian refugees I immediately decided that we just can't allow them in (except for the Christians and the really devout Christians) because that's the law. If the asylum law doesn't apply to these refugees I certainly can't imagine another law applying. If you can't apply for asylum don't bother applying at all.

I read http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...an_to_have_a_religious_test_for_refugees.html (I read this website a lot helps me to argue with the libturds) and I just can't get over how often Obummer talks about granting asylum, just repeatedly talks about asylum. Hello! dummy it clearly says in the asylum law that we can have religious tests. The only thing that is unAmerican is you and your "nuanced" response to radical Islam. I mean sure you can talk about how you are a constitutional lawyer and all that liberal elite bullshit, but have you ever read the constitution? I have. The constitution only forbids the use of religious tests for holding office. Not once does the constitution say a think about religious tests for refugees. I mean if you look at the founders they were all apostates, profoundly Christian to the very last man. I think it is pretty clear that they believed that you can judge a man by his religion and were perfectly comfortable having the government favor one religion over another, especially when it comes to refugees.

One last thing. When I was at Princeton Law they taught me a lot about legal terms of art such as "religious test." From day one (of the second semester) they made it exceedingly clear that anything that has anything thing to do with your religions is considered a "religious test." For example on the census if they ask you what your religion is. Boom religious test. Boom American. If your church doesn't pay taxes because it is a religion. Boom religious test. Boom American. If Obummer is making you pay for your slut employees to have birth control and the supreme court asks your religion. Boom religious test. Boom American. If the United States will only grant you asylum if you are persecuted because of your religion. Boom that's the clearest example I come up with for a religious test. Not only is the US testing your religion but also those persecuting you are testing your religion. It is a double religious test. There is no clearer evidence that I can find that obvious religious tests found in US asylum law are the most American thing going.
 
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The governing law under U.S. code specifically requires a religious test to as part of the determination as to if someone is eligible for asylum.

I never said it requires only a religious test....

I'm not suggesting that religion can be or necessarily should be the only test. I'm saying, that the great Constitutional law professor has once again gotten it wrong when he says calls for a religious test when it comes to granting asylum are "Unamerican".

WTH? Again? Nobody says you claim "it requires only a religious test." You created that qualification after the fact because you were caught misrepresenting what the statute says.

More right wing alternate reality. Christ its so prevalent that conservatives don't even try -- he even linked the very statute that doesn't say what he claims. If wingnuts want to believe something, then it magically becomes true. That's the same process that got us in this mess to begin with. Feeble minded right wingers wanted everyone else to be afraid and believe Saddaam would nuke us, so they just believed it and passed it along as truth.

I also appreciate the rich sense of history or modern day conservative politicians have. There's a reason for the "no religious tests" clause in the constitution -- early colonialists hated and were afraid of the old test acts, which is sort of what right wingers want to re-institute. No wonder the con law professor is offended - anybody with a sense of history and the constitution would be uneasy with a religious means test.
 
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