If you don’t think sw Okc is dirtier and less safe than MOST other parts of the city you’re blind. I’m there every day for work. It’s a shit hole. Can you define for me what you’re calling sw Okc? Give me some boundaries.
Why most of you are wrong on the wall.
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If you don’t think sw Okc is dirtier and less safe than MOST other parts of the city you’re blind. I’m there every day for work. It’s a shit hole. Can you define for me what you’re calling sw Okc? Give me some boundaries.
I never said they weren’t ambitious? Where did you get that? I have an example of my yard guy building a business from nothing. I do think there is a marked difference in many Hispanics desire to assimilate into society though. Maybe that’s what you took as lack of ambition.
Secondly my point on German American suffering wasn’t pointed at you. It was more rhetorical for the group. Especially those that think whitey always has it easy.
I will take issue with your last point. The Mexicans that decide and desire to “be” Americans will be just fine. Those that consider themselves Mexicans in exile won’t.
I’m going to go back to the Vietnamese. The ones in okc settled, in vast majority, around 23rd and classen. They bought houses few people wanted and lived, many times, with multiple families. Slowly they started to improve their local community to the point it’s now a pretty safe and clean destination. In a couple of generations they are prospering and now spreading through the metro. Now think about the area between SW 15th and SW 50th on Robinson. That area has been Hispanic much longer than the Asian district has been Asian. There’s not many people that would tell you they’d be comfortable walking those blocks after dark. Why is that? I think it’s becsuse they don’t care to self police and improve, because they don’t consider this home.
Again - plenty of exceptions, but what I just typed is verifiable by anyone who cares to venture in either district.
I don’t have in any way a quorum if opinions, but it’s interesting to me how much the green card Mexicans I know despise the illegals. They think they’re ruining things for them.
I will also state the Central American immigrants will likely absolutely do you what you posited above. It’s a totally different vibe I get from them.
I used to live at I40 and May. We were broke and couldn't afford anything else. For the most part it was a very crappy neighborhood. That was 25 years ago.
I40 and May is tame compared to sw 44th and Robinson. The area I would consider to be the worst would be from the airport (Will Rogers) east to Santa Fe, north to the river and back west to Portland.
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SW 29th and Independence is a great place to hang out.
I got the idea you think most Mexicans are lacking ambition with your story that the lawn service guy said most of his workers don’t have his drive for success.
I will be celebrating the 50th year of the ownership of my business on April 1. In that nearly 50 year tenure I have employed literally dozens of people: men, women, black, white, brown. I can count on one finger the number of my employees who had the desire, the spirit, the willingness, the ambition to strike out on his own. The rest have been perfectly content to have a job, with no particular desire to seek much advancement.
There’s nothing wrong with that attitude. It’s just been my observation of most people who are employees.
I don’t see the Latini population being discernibly different from everyone else.
I do not understand why you have a problem with a person from Mexico coming to America to work while retaining his identity as a Mexican. In what way is it different from my Texan employee? They both live here, work here, pay taxes, attend their kids’ PTA meetings, and so forth. What difference are you seeing that I am missing?
I believe your concept of the danger of Mexican communities at night is overblown. I have walked around at night and not felt anymore danger than other places.
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Your reading comprehension is struggling. I never said anything about the employees of my lawn guy.
A Texan is still an American.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on your last point. Crime statistics in okc would not coincide with your viewpoint.
Lastly I never said holding onto heritage was a bad thing, but when you come to a new country, if you don’t try to assimilate, you’re going to struggle.
“A Texan is still an American.”
So what? A Texan lives in OKC, works there, raises his family there, pays his taxes, mows his lawn, washes his car, goes to church, eats out at restaurants, watches movies, but still rejects the notion he’s an Oklahoman. A Mexican does the same. Please detail what you find objectionable to the actions of the Mexican but acceptable for the Texan.
Your belief that Mexicans don’t assimilate is preposterous. Do the Vietnamese assimilate? The Chinese? The Pakistanis? They all eventually assimilate. I don’t understand your prejudice.
Wow. Ponca. Didn't realize you're as bad as the libs.
Eye opening. I've gotta consider that you've got a corrupt soul when it comes to looking at these things, though I haven't been wary of that before.
Not prejudiced. Just not intellectually dishonest. You’re just looking to argue. Your arguments show me you haven’t read my posts or are selectively parsing to fit your agenda.
Your Texan argument is akin to discussing favorite cuts of beef, while you extol the virtue of farm raised tilapia.
Haven’t been on this board enough to understand the personalities, but he’s intentionally misrepresenting my views to further some bizarre agenda. Then he tries to shame me by insinuating I’m a racist.
He might be the most passive aggressive person I have encountered in my life.
If he’s not, he’s second to my mother.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding your views, but I am not intentionally misrepresenting them.
I would point out to you that prejudice and racism are two distinct things. Sometimes it is wise to have a prejudice.
It seems to me I detect prejudice in your writing when you appear to find most other immigrant races to be superior to Latinos. Perhaps superior is the wrong word to use. But I can think of no other when you champion what you perceive to be the intensity and grace with which other races embrace what you consider to be proper integration with American values while simultaneously denigrating what you see as the lack of intensity from Latinos.
It makes me question how much interaction you have had with them. I completely disagree with the way you have represented them in this thread.
At any rate I humbly apologize for causing you to feel insulted. It was not my intention. I attempt to go to great effort to remain civil on this board. Again, if you feel I have been uncivil please accept my apology.
What does that even mean? If you disagree lay out your case. I’ll be most happy to discuss it with you. But just calling something bs does not leave room for discussion.
Thanks - I generally check this board maybe once a week but with work it can be difficult. I actually enjoy the cordial back and forth with the reasonable ones here.
Here's another prime example (SEE BOLD ABOVE). I don't know why anyone would have a civil conservation with you. You can detect his prejudice. That's crazy talk. Also, you attack him again then offer a weak apology if you offended him.
Would you be upset if I called you a bigot or racist and then put out a bs apology? I think you are wrong about Cowguy and what he said in this thread.
I own this beautiful bridge on Lake Havasu and I'll sell it to you vedy, vedy, cheep if you really believe that line of complete horse-shit:
OK, I’m just beating a dead horse but I will try one last time. You do know the difference - the absolute chasm of a difference - between prejudice and racism, do you not? Cowguy questions my reading skill and then claims I am accusing him of being a racist. I find that ironic. I used phrases like “it seems to me” in an effort to get him to show me where I was mistaken. Instead both he and you went all SJW and accused me of saying something I didn’t say. My “weak” apology had nothing to do with anything I had said, but instead was regret that I hurt his feelings. I stand behind what I said. I don’t know how anyone could read his comments without “detecting” prejudice. I have left it open for him - and you, too, for that matter - to show my error. Instead, having felt insulted you choose to insult back.
You, on the other hand, call one of my talking points bs as if that settled the matter. No exposition on how it constituted bs, leaving no room for discussion, civil or otherwise.
This is tiresome. I’m going back to bed.
Yawning chasm between prejudice and racism?
Racism = prejudice on the basis of race.....hardly a yawning chasm there.
I know you have me on ignore....maybe somebody will point this out to you.
You’re passive aggressive defense to the claim that you didn’t call him prejudiced on the basis of race is....you said “it seems to me”? Really?
Basically, you paint him with the brush of xenophobia, and then claim it is incumbent upon him to prove that taint you placed is wrong.
Classic PA. I’m not writing this for you. I’m writing this for others.
Folks...he is ate up with it....in his bones.
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You're 110% spot on JD. He posted this several days ago in his "setting an awful precedent" thread. I replied with a negative review of what "Don Boudreaux says what I think about it a hundred times better than I can say it" and never heard back from him.
Forgive me, Medic. I shared the link and said I agreed with it. You disagreed. I assumed that was the end of the conversation. I did not know you were awaiting a reply. I’m not sure what you were hoping for. We disagreed. Not much else to talk about.
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