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This^^^^^Originally posted by Marshal Jim Duncan:
High Fructose Corn Syrup
Stupid Food Pyramid
The BS link between dietary fat and LDL cholesterol.
Originally posted by MegaPoke:
Right on Glove.
Refined sugar needs to be exposed as the fat building, cancer causing, cholesterol sticking poison it is.
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I agree pilt. Pretty amazing.Originally posted by 07pilt:
It is amazing how fast the worm is turning on this issue. Can you imagine getting this kind of response with such unanimity to the OP even 5 years ago?
Kudos to the researchers fighting the good fight.
That is awesome man, congratulations!! I'm hoping to get down to a 32" waist. I still have 8" to go but I'm already down 1.75". Using flexible dieting really forced me to pay attention to what I eat since I shift my macros every other day. It has resulted in me picking whole foods because it allows me to eat more, whereas fast food or sweets weren't really all that large but had a ton of calories. I quickly realized if I wanted to not feel like I was starving I had to make better choices. I am starting week 4 this week and I hope that when weigh and tape arrive Friday I will have broke the 40" barrier.Originally posted by windriverrange:
doesn't the government also subsidize the monopoly sugar growers int he US? Sure I read that.
Thor, I hear ya...decided last year that due to an upcoming backpacking trip to Wyoming and the obvious need to step up from a 40" waist to 42" waist it was time to do something. I checked off abunch of the things food wise (double stuff oreos being numero uno) and working out. Since July 2, 2014 have dropped 56 pounds and am down to a 35" waist (I'm 6'4"). Usually get up at 4am and spend two hours plus at the gym before coming to work even on weekend will get up at 5 am ish.
I say all that to demonstrate if a goofball like me can do it anyone can and also making people lose weight by working out will be much harder to make happen than trying to induce them to lose weight by limiting sugars etc. I still splurge from time to time, but it does give one pause to think about cause and effect.
I picked up a 45lb disk yesterday and was amazed at how much it weighs and that it plus another 11 pounds is what I lost inb about 9 months. Feel so much better these days and stree is also about gone.
Well, it's taken years, but I finally agree with Imp on something. I can't believe that government allows food stamps to go towards sugar, empty calories and partially hydrogenated crap. Both parties are responsible and have enabled it to happen. Keeping food stamps recipients to whole foods would, in my estimation, cost much less and result in less obesity, better nutrition and better health.Originally posted by imprimis:
The government is complicit in the fat epidemic. They give people free rent, free health care and large $$ food stamp cards which most use on what is considered "junk food". I can't tell you how many Sec 8 properties I've entered where there were 5 or more large cans of "knock-off" Crisco in the cabinets, several skillets full of grease and floors covered so heavily in grease that you could not stand still without your feet slipping apart. If there is that much grease spread over the units imagine how much is in their veins.We
So long as the government is underwriting medicare and medicaid, given the undeniable links between nutrition and health,it makes all the sense in the world for Uncle Sam to try and contain health care costs by incentiving sensible nutrition to medicare and medicaid recipients. Private insurance carriers do-- they've had insurance-sponsored weight loss drives for years. Why should all of us have to subsidize voluntary sickness?Originally posted by HighStickHarry:
Federal, state, county or city?
I agree, but , it's not only the government allowing food stamps to go for those items, stores do not enforce it either. my son worked at a grocery store years ago in high school. before he went to the meat dept. he did check out and when a person on the food card (vision Card) tried to buy Red Bull he set it aside and the guy asked him what was going on. He told them he wasn't allowed to sell Red Bull with Vision Card payment. They guy went off and a manager came out and asked what was going on. my son explained that the store wasn't allowed to sell those types of items with food stamp payment. The manager said it was ok and did an override.Originally posted by syskatine:
Well, it's taken years, but I finally agree with Imp on something. I can't believe that government allows food stamps to go towards sugar, empty calories and partially hydrogenated crap. Both parties are responsible and have enabled it to happen. Keeping food stamps recipients to whole foods would, in my estimation, cost much less and result in less obesity, better nutrition and better health.Originally posted by imprimis:
The government is complicit in the fat epidemic. They give people free rent, free health care and large $$ food stamp cards which most use on what is considered "junk food". I can't tell you how many Sec 8 properties I've entered where there were 5 or more large cans of "knock-off" Crisco in the cabinets, several skillets full of grease and floors covered so heavily in grease that you could not stand still without your feet slipping apart. If there is that much grease spread over the units imagine how much is in their veins.We
Originally posted by syskatine:
Hey Thor, what finally worked for you?
I have read it, in fact, I think it is in the attic. It has been a while, but if I remember right he recommended lifting very heavy weights for short durations because it was all about intensity. Is that right? If so, I think he would approve of my weight lifting program which I pulled from Berkhan. I lift 3 days a week. Monday is Chest, Biceps, Triceps, Wednesday is all Back, and Friday is all Legs. It is a RPT program consisting of only 2 sets and 6-8 reps of very heavy weight. This forces me to have very intense workouts because I only get 2 shots at maximum intensity and my recovery is usually 2-5 minutes between sets. Some of the stuff I do is unconventional though. I don't have enough weight to bench and get a hard workout. So I improvise, my wife stands over me and pushes against me while I do pushups. I have no idea how much weight it ends up equaling but I'm blasted after each set and usually barely get that 8th rep.Originally posted by syskatine:
Interesting approach.
I probably should've figured out this approach years ago:
"The reason I have a shorter window on deficit days is because I am a big eater and it allows me to eat 1,600 kcals in 4 hours, which means I don't go to bed hungry."
Have you read The 4 Hour Body by Tim Ferris? He has a counter-intuitive, but dead on take on lifting weights.
Hell yes.Originally posted by twiza:
Should the government tax like they do tobacco and other items?
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What's even more fun to watch are those who buy all sorts of non-food items and then get upset when the checker won't allow them to use their food stamp card. Out comes the credit card to pay for the excluded items. More often than not they walk out and get into a shinny new SUV. Seems like if you can afford a new SUV and a credit card you shouldn't need food stamps. Maybe that's how they can afford those.Originally posted by TPOKE:
I agree, but , it's not only the government allowing food stamps to go for those items, stores do not enforce it either. my son worked at a grocery store years ago in high school. before he went to the meat dept. he did check out and when a person on the food card (vision Card) tried to buy Red Bull he set it aside and the guy asked him what was going on. He told them he wasn't allowed to sell Red Bull with Vision Card payment. They guy went off and a manager came out and asked what was going on. my son explained that the store wasn't allowed to sell those types of items with food stamp payment. The manager said it was ok and did an override.Originally posted by syskatine:
Well, it's taken years, but I finally agree with Imp on something. I can't believe that government allows food stamps to go towards sugar, empty calories and partially hydrogenated crap. Both parties are responsible and have enabled it to happen. Keeping food stamps recipients to whole foods would, in my estimation, cost much less and result in less obesity, better nutrition and better health.Originally posted by imprimis:
The government is complicit in the fat epidemic. They give people free rent, free health care and large $$ food stamp cards which most use on what is considered "junk food". I can't tell you how many Sec 8 properties I've entered where there were 5 or more large cans of "knock-off" Crisco in the cabinets, several skillets full of grease and floors covered so heavily in grease that you could not stand still without your feet slipping apart. If there is that much grease spread over the units imagine how much is in their veins.We
Like the government needs a new stream to tax us on.Originally posted by Adverpoke:
Hell yes.Originally posted by twiza:
Should the government tax like they do tobacco and other items?
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Sounds like you're more or less doing his thing with the 2 sets. He really is right, too....Originally posted by ThorOdinson13:
I have read it, in fact, I think it is in the attic. It has been a while, but if I remember right he recommended lifting very heavy weights for short durations because it was all about intensity. Is that right? If so, I think he would approve of my weight lifting program which I pulled from Berkhan. I lift 3 days a week. Monday is Chest, Biceps, Triceps, Wednesday is all Back, and Friday is all Legs. It is a RPT program consisting of only 2 sets and 6-8 reps of very heavy weight. This forces me to have very intense workouts because I only get 2 shots at maximum intensity and my recovery is usually 2-5 minutes between sets. Some of the stuff I do is unconventional though. I don't have enough weight to bench and get a hard workout. So I improvise, my wife stands over me and pushes against me while I do pushups. I have no idea how much weight it ends up equaling but I'm blasted after each set and usually barely get that 8th rep.Originally posted by syskatine:
Interesting approach.
I probably should've figured out this approach years ago:
"The reason I have a shorter window on deficit days is because I am a big eater and it allows me to eat 1,600 kcals in 4 hours, which means I don't go to bed hungry."
Have you read The 4 Hour Body by Tim Ferris? He has a counter-intuitive, but dead on take on lifting weights.
I think you are right. You should see the results Berkhan used to get with his clients. Pretty crazy. What I do is a little different as far as macros go but I believe it all works. Hopefully my results continue because I'm loving this so far.Originally posted by syskatine:
Sounds like you're more or less doing his thing with the 2 sets. He really is right, too....Originally posted by ThorOdinson13:
I have read it, in fact, I think it is in the attic. It has been a while, but if I remember right he recommended lifting very heavy weights for short durations because it was all about intensity. Is that right? If so, I think he would approve of my weight lifting program which I pulled from Berkhan. I lift 3 days a week. Monday is Chest, Biceps, Triceps, Wednesday is all Back, and Friday is all Legs. It is a RPT program consisting of only 2 sets and 6-8 reps of very heavy weight. This forces me to have very intense workouts because I only get 2 shots at maximum intensity and my recovery is usually 2-5 minutes between sets. Some of the stuff I do is unconventional though. I don't have enough weight to bench and get a hard workout. So I improvise, my wife stands over me and pushes against me while I do pushups. I have no idea how much weight it ends up equaling but I'm blasted after each set and usually barely get that 8th rep.Originally posted by syskatine:
Interesting approach.
I probably should've figured out this approach years ago:
"The reason I have a shorter window on deficit days is because I am a big eater and it allows me to eat 1,600 kcals in 4 hours, which means I don't go to bed hungry."
Have you read The 4 Hour Body by Tim Ferris? He has a counter-intuitive, but dead on take on lifting weights.
Inspirational. Very impressive.Originally posted by windriverrange:
doesn't the government also subsidize the monopoly sugar growers int he US? Sure I read that.
Thor, I hear ya...decided last year that due to an upcoming backpacking trip to Wyoming and the obvious need to step up from a 40" waist to 42" waist it was time to do something. I checked off abunch of the things food wise (double stuff oreos being numero uno) and working out. Since July 2, 2014 have dropped 56 pounds and am down to a 35" waist (I'm 6'4"). Usually get up at 4am and spend two hours plus at the gym before coming to work even on weekend will get up at 5 am ish.
I say all that to demonstrate if a goofball like me can do it anyone can and also making people lose weight by working out will be much harder to make happen than trying to induce them to lose weight by limiting sugars etc. I still splurge from time to time, but it does give one pause to think about cause and effect.
I picked up a 45lb disk yesterday and was amazed at how much it weighs and that it plus another 11 pounds is what I lost inb about 9 months. Feel so much better these days and stree is also about gone.