What is Christian Nationalism?

[AC2020]

I've asked a number of people what it means, including those who use the term derisively and even seminary professors who say they do not favor the term.

No one can give me a concrete answer.

I'm asking any of you to give me a working definition -- liberal, conservative, or libertarian.

I'm not interested in what Commies have to say. You people hate the Christians.

 

[blbronco]

I think this link generally covers my thoughts on it: https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/february-web-only/what-is-christian-nationalism.html

I look at “defining” it as much like defining “woke.” It is a bit amorphous, but most of the time, you know it when you see it.

To put your question in my own words as best I can is (and to be fair, I think the linked article explains way better than I am about to): Using Christian ideals to direct policy (albeit their interpretation of christian ideals) despite the supposed “will of the people” and weaponizing religious governance. When the will of the people goes against those ideals, rules are changed or worked around to prevent. These types claim victimhood when other groups are favored or boosted, even when no christians are harmed or left behind.

I am not religious, but I have nothing against christians (or any religion, really), until they try to trample my rights (or others) using the bible or other theocratic principles. I think those falling in to the christian nationalist category do a disservice to christians as a whole.

 

[EZ Reyes]

HamasDavidScott and BreasesesBoy should have a definition.

 

[22LR]

@AC2020 You may want to read this explanation of "Kingdom Now" theology.

https://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-now.html

I'm a Christian, but don't subscribe to this baloney. It's better known as "Word of Faith" theology. It's heresy.

 

[EZ Reyes]

It's funny when they spell Christian "Xtian" to show how hip they are.

 

[OSUCAESAR]

If you are a Christian, you of course oppose any form of Democracy or Republics as they are in opposition to the Kingship of Jesus Christ, who is the "King Of Kings". He is King. He must rule. Thus ideas like "freedom of Religion" are evil. The public practice of false religions should be prohibited. If you disagree, you must not agree Christ is King

Christian Nationalism is an attempt to reconcile the evil idea that man must rule instead of Christ but put Christianity somehow into a satanic idea. In the end the Kingdom of Christ is just that: a Kingdom.

It has a King, a Queen and a Kingdom of Hierarchy. The idea will fail because "Christian Nationalism" is protestant. ANd Protestants have america as thier King, Not Christ.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

I'm curious why everyone thinks Christian nationalism is purely protestant. The catholics would represent some of these tenants better than protestants. They already have a hierarchy and the pope lives in his own country. They are supposed to put the pope's edicts above the state.

Christian someone who believes that Jesus is thier saviors. Nationalist is someone who takes pride in thier state. Put them together and you have a religious person that likes the US. You all are overcomplicating this. Use your vocabulary. After that its a broad term that can mean it to be anything the author wants it to be.

 

[blbronco]

I'm curious why everyone thinks Christian nationalism is purely protestant. The catholics would represent some of these tenants better than protestants. They already have a hierarchy and the pope lives in his own country. They are supposed to put the pope's edicts above the state.

Christian someone who believes that Jesus is thier saviors. Nationalist is someone who takes pride in thier state. Put them together and you have a religious person that likes the US. You all are overcomplicating this. Use your vocabulary. After that its a broad term that can mean it to be anything the author wants it to be.

from oxford dictionary:

Nationalist
noun
a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

from oxford dictionary:

Nationalist
noun
a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

Yes

 

[OSUCAESAR]

'm curious why everyone thinks Christian nationalism is purely protestant. The catholics would represent some of these tenants better than protestants

Nationalism is an invention of the post Protestant revolt world.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Christian Nationalism, a few characteristics (by no means exhaustive):

Recognizing that men and women are not equal. They are symbiotic, thus rendering them unequal by definition. This is why the ideal family has a strong, hard-working father (a biological man) at its head, and a kind, nurturing mother (a biological woman) at its heart, both of whom dedicate their lives to said family.

Rejecting the concept of killing babies in the womb merely because the parents can’t control themselves.

Rejecting the idea that chicks can have dicks.

Rejecting the idea that men can get pregnant.

Rejecting same -sex relationships and any kind of trans-gender crap as freakish, unnatural perversions.

Rejecting collectivism and forced wealth redistribution.

Teaching your kids to write cursive.

Teaching your kids how to be a man or woman as applicable to the “plumbing” they were born with.

For Catholics, celebrating the holy mass in Latin, or at least acknowledging that those who wish to do so should be allowed that option.

Recognizing globalclimatewarmingchange as a hoax.

Recognizing unilateral disarmament as idiotic.

Recognizing masks as useless.

Recognizing that Simone Biles is a quitter.

Recognizing that Taylor Swift sucks without sound engineers and auto tune.

Recognizing that Taylor Swift sucks even with good sound engineers and auto tune.

Essentially, just being a traditional American.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

Nationalism is an invention of the post Protestant revolt world.

Ummmm....I'm going with no.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I would guess it is assholes like this guy.

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He wants a Christian state.

 

[OSUCAESAR]

Ummmm....I'm going with no.

History is your friend. Start with the 30 years war and the Peace of westphalia. Nation states began at that point.

 

[OUSOONER67]

(WHITE, meaning the quiet part) Christian Nationalism Definition.

Whitey Christians bad, we Overlords cannot control them anymore and we do things that go against their beliefs. They see us for what we are (evil) and we cannot allow that. Open up the Southern Border, we will replace them! (We are still gonna tax their ass to death though)

 

[22LR]

I would guess it is assholes like this guy.

State Senator in Northeast Oklahoma Calls LGBTQ+ People 'Trash' and Says Most Don't Want Them Here | Don't miss this

TAHLEQUAH, Okla. - An Oklahoma state senator called LGBTQ+ people "dirt" during a public forum in the capital of the Cherokee Nation reservation on Friday,

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He wants a Christian state.

Well, if a gun were held to my head to take sides, I'll side with the state senator 100% of the time vs. the grooming azz-to-mouth bvtt fvckers you long for.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

History is your friend. Start with the 30 years war and the Peace of Westphalia. Nation states began at that point.

You mean the same nation states that were catholic and protestant. France (Catholic) and England (Protestant but also catholic before that) say hello, and you could even argue that Rome was a nation-state if that is what you want to use. So.....no. Nationalism was around long before the 30 years wars, and the peace of Westphalia.

 

[2012Bearcat]

It's just another example of Democrats bastardizing words to manipulate the dumbasses that vote Democrat to further divide the nation.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

It's just another example of Democrats bastardizing words to manipulate the dumbasses that vote Democrat to further divide the nation.

In other words, just one of the latest entries in the “Book of REEEEEEEE!!!!!”

 

[aliabedi]

I'm curious why everyone thinks Christian nationalism is purely protestant. The catholics would represent some of these tenants better than protestants. They already have a hierarchy and the pope lives in his own country. They are supposed to put the pope's edicts above the state.

Christian someone who believes that Jesus is thier saviors. Nationalist is someone who takes pride in thier state. Put them together and you have a religious person that likes the US. You all are overcomplicating this. Use your vocabulary. After that its a broad term that can mean it to be anything the author wants it to be.

Christians live in the US only

 

[22LR]

Christians live in the US only

I'd post wishful-thinking BS like this too if I were a mooslim - getting butt-kickings by the USA repeatedly.

Hey @aliabedi - Do you still post using your crossdresser account Pearl White Snaps? You know, ISIS would blindfold you and throw you off the roof.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Christians live in the US only

And terrorists rule the middle east. 👍

 

[osu_orangestreak]

 

[aliabedi]

I'd post wishful-thinking BS like this too if I were a mooslim - getting butt-kickings by the USA repeatedly.

Hey @aliabedi - Do you still post using your crossdresser account Pearl White Snaps? You know, ISIS would blindfold you and throw you off the roof.

What bullshit. You think ISIS is moving freely around Muslim cities. Like Klan and white supremacist and nazis are moving around in your streets.

 

[OUSOONER67]

What bullshit. You think ISIS is moving freely around Muslim cities. Like Klan and white supremacist and nazis are moving around in your streets.

I did Nazi a single Nazi walking the streets yesterday nor did I see any Klan moving about. Keep spreading false info just like your false prophet.

 

[Medic007]

What bullshit. You think ISIS is moving freely around Muslim cities. Like Klan and white supremacist and nazis are moving around in your streets.

Yes, we all recall when the Klan, white supremacists, and Nazis took control of 40% of Iraq and 33% of Syria and slaughtered countless people in the name of their shitty 7th century religion celebrating a glorified pedophile.

Got any more nuggets of dumbass for us, alibaba?

 

[Ostatedchi]

Just take a look at Iran pre and post Muslim rule. It shows just how toxic of an ideology Islam is.

 

[Rdcldad]

I'm curious why everyone thinks Christian nationalism is purely protestant. The catholics would represent some of these tenants better than protestants. They already have a hierarchy and the pope lives in his own country. They are supposed to put the pope's edicts above the state.

Christian someone who believes that Jesus is thier saviors. Nationalist is someone who takes pride in thier state. Put them together and you have a religious person that likes the US. You all are overcomplicating this. Use your vocabulary. After that its a broad term that can mean it to be anything the author wants it to be.

great post

the term christian nationalism is a political opportunity for the DEI crowd to create divisiveness

while muslims can openly parade the koran thru any city in the usa

from morocco to indonesia parading the bible or torah will get you killed

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Who's next in line to set himself a fire?

 

[Ostatedchi]

great post

the term christian nationalism is a political opportunity for the DEI crowd to create divisiveness

while muslims can openly parade the koran thru any city in the usa

from morocco to indonesia parading the bible or torah will get you killed

I agree with everything you just posted. But I also think that Christians in political positions need to not be bigoted assholes (like what I posted above) in order to remove this message as a vector of attack.

 

[Rdcldad]

I agree with everything you just posted. But I also think that Christians in political positions need to not be bigoted assholes (like what I posted above) in order to remove this message as a vector of attack.

bigoted asshole is no more tolerable

than gay porn in school libraries or states abducting confused 13 year olds from their parents

rodney king said it best

 

[aliabedi]

I did Nazi a single Nazi walking the streets yesterday nor did I see any Klan moving about. Keep spreading false info just like your false prophet.

No prophet is false it all depends on your faith since our religion gives a lot of respect to Jesus I will stop here.
Mohammed or Jesus neither preached nationalism of any kind we have made it up recently.
By the way I have never run across or seen pictures of ISIS in our newspapers. They are all over yours.

 

[aliabedi]

Just take a look at Iran pre and post Muslim rule. It shows just how toxic of an ideology Islam is.

Good point. Majority of Iran in the period was living in poverty besides Tehran.
The democratic secular and elected by the iranis was toppled by Americans and the British and a nonentity was made king of Iran.
The reaction of Iranians is understandable though the cia or savak Iran's secret service never expected this revolution.
The real brain behind this revolution was Ali Shariati of course he was exiled by the mullahs.
Ostatedchi I hate clergy period of any religion but you should place some of the blame where it belongs.

 

[Ostatedchi]

America is ever the bad guy and you ever the victim. You sure stay on message.

 

[aliabedi]

America is ever the bad guy and you ever the victim. You sure stay on message.

Did I say ever. But look at cold war history,Iran is not an exception there were dozens of other countries where govts were toppled. Research

 

[Ostatedchi]

Yep. Still on message.

 

[BIGOSUFAN]

Good point. Majority of Iran in the period was living in poverty besides Tehran.
The democratic secular and elected by the iranis was toppled by Americans and the British and a nonentity was made king of Iran.
The reaction of Iranians is understandable though the cia or savak Iran's secret service never expected this revolution.
The real brain behind this revolution was Ali Shariati of course he was exiled by the mullahs.
Ostatedchi I hate clergy period of any religion but you should place some of the blame where it belongs.

Their middle class was rapidly expanding. Majority of the population was not in poverty. Poverty has exploded under the mullahs.

 

[Tulsaaggieson]

Did I say ever. But look at cold war history,Iran is not an exception there were dozens of other countries where govts were toppled. Research

Both the USSR and the USA were involved in regime selection. The choices for the world became not about USSR and USA, but capitalism or communism. Which one do you want, and which country will you side with when the two come knocking on the door?

History. Read some.

 

[22LR]

If you are a Christian, you of course oppose any form of Democracy or Republics as they are in opposition to the Kingship of Jesus Christ, who is the "King Of Kings". He is King. He must rule. Thus ideas like "freedom of Religion" are evil. The public practice of false religions should be prohibited. If you disagree, you must not agree Christ is King

Christian Nationalism is an attempt to reconcile the evil idea that man must rule instead of Christ but put Christianity somehow into a satanic idea. In the end the Kingdom of Christ is just that: a Kingdom.

It has a King, a Queen and a Kingdom of Hierarchy. The idea will fail because "Christian Nationalism" is protestant. ANd Protestants have america as thier King, Not Christ.

From the linked article, “Meathead would have the audience believe that we are on the verge of a theocratic takeover, though few outside of Hollywood and other secular subcultures pay any attention to this fable”.”

Congratulations @OSUCAESAR for achieving Meathead status.

Civil rights org says Rob Reiner's film panicking about Christian nationalism warrants Oscar for religiophobia

A Catholic civil rights organization leader used the Oscar season to slam a documentary made by a famous Hollywood liberal as an example of anti-religious bigotry.

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[OSUCAESAR]

From the linked article, “Meathead would have the audience believe that we are on the verge of a theocratic takeover, though few outside of Hollywood and other secular subcultures pay any attention to this fable”.”

Congratulations @OSUCAESAR for achieving Meathead status.

Civil rights org says Rob Reiner's film panicking about Christian nationalism warrants Oscar for religiophobia

A Catholic civil rights organization leader used the Oscar season to slam a documentary made by a famous Hollywood liberal as an example of anti-religious bigotry.

www.foxnews.com

Give me Caesar, not Brutus.

Democracy is Satanic in nature.

Christ is King, and he must rule.