I’m not sure. I would imagine John has a good reason. I don’t think it’s because of legal reasons, if so, we are already in violation. But I would like to know what the overall plan is though
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On the post grad compensation question...
A few years back, the president of Iowa's RTC guesstimated Imar would command a $150K 2 year contract. So that's $75K/yr in salary for a 2x champ, 4x finalist. I imagine rates have increased since then, plus many RTCs now include medical coverage and housing. And that's all before endorsements/sponsorships/camps.
A few years back, the president of Iowa's RTC guesstimated Imar would command a $150K 2 year contract. So that's $75K/yr in salary for a 2x champ, 4x finalist. I imagine rates have increased since then, plus many RTCs now include medical coverage and housing. And that's all before endorsements/sponsorships/camps.
Go up and ask him Tom. Actually challenge him to a match. He’ll beat you like this dead horse that continues to be beat.
Go talk to John. He loves to talk wrestling, and he will probably answer any questions you have. Just make sure to call first, he is hard to catch sometimes.
and hence why I wish someone would change this forum title, it just feels like its a bad luck title and we are stuck with it
Well I'll throw Tom some support. He's obviously a big fan of the program and of John.
We haven't won a team title in a very long time. That's partly because of recruiting and development - 2 things RTCs help address. I don't think it's unreasonable to want a better understanding of why we haven't invested in them more.
We haven't won a team title in a very long time. That's partly because of recruiting and development - 2 things RTCs help address. I don't think it's unreasonable to want a better understanding of why we haven't invested in them more.
My guess is we don’t have the money. Since we have a few RTC coaches it doesn’t seem like we are against it. Plus, we’ve had RTC wrestlers. Those guys seem to have left for more money. Maybe John doesn’t want to come out and say hey everyone we’ve got the best program in history but there are 5-6 schools kicking our butts in fund raising.
Tom can fill us in after he talks to John about it. Also Tom, I’d go for the straight on double. It’s your best shot to catch him of guard. Don’t try to tie up, he’ll go straight to that John Smith single, you’ll be flat on your belly, he’ll bar your arm behind your back, spin around and pinch your head between his knees and start working on your shoulder. I don’t think the Smith boys let up just because you start squealing.
If it costs a million per year to have a high level RTC why not just have the people donating that money spend it on NIL deals with top recruits? Fix and Ferrari have done well without an RTC. Not to mention many others. I’d think $100,000 NIL deal per year for 10 guys would get us to where we want to be recruiting wise. With transfer rules now, no need to recruit. Go out and get proven talent. Actually, I think $2,000,000 per year is better. We pay $25,000 per interview on the podcast. They get 8 interviews per year, that’s $200,000. Interview 1-2 guys per week. Someone start the go fund me page and I’ll pitch in.
I would love to talk to him. I couldn’t imagine him making time for a Joe Schmo like me
Loland hence why I wish someone would change this forum title, it just feels like its a bad luck title and we are stuck with it
😆😆😆😆 well, if I survived more than 10 seconds, I guess he would owe me a straight answer. I seriously doubt any move I could ever do would give me even the slightest amount of advantage over John Smith.
Why would you think it is personal? I like reading everything that you think is wrong with the program.
I am Joe Schmo, and he talks to me. But, it isn't in me publicize the things he has said beyond the generalities I have posted through the years about the costs and problems involved. But, I bet he would take the time. You are obviously a supporter of the program, so that at least elevates you to just Joe in his eyes.
How much money does OSU wrestling have? If we are in as bad of shape as some make it out to be then we will have guys transferring out soon.
Can you elaborate a little more without getting into specifics?
For instance, do you believe the main obstacle is $?
yes, I do believe that. Tough to raise money for RTC, when trying to raise money for facility.
It’s also tough to raise money when you don’t really make a public effort to do so. I don’t think it’s a secret John is hesitant to jump full in to the RTC game.
That question has been answered many times on here. Review why John became the head coach. If you don't like that answer we now have a new president and AD (I know the answer the previous two would give) so just go ask them if they are willing to cheat just a little bit to finish slightly higher. I don't know these two so maybe ...
Pretty sure wrestling scholarships are all endowed, have plenty of funds for travel and everything necessary associated with the program.
Honestly I can’t tell if our program is falling far behind without an RTC. I really like some of the outside of the box thinking OSU does and I feel it would not take long to catch-up to the lead dogs and possibly surpassed them. Heck, Lee on the podcast makes me think we can do it this season. I could be wrong, It seemed our wrestlers took longer to get up to speed, ie NCAA tournament. It also could be recruiting these past years. I’m not married to any position anymore, specially since we picked up a few loaded classes and I trust John and company to be able to prepare these guys.
We are doing our part in recruiting and in that sense it’s hard to see us doing much better even with an RTC.
The question really is, can we fully develop and push guys to their absolute ceilings as well as or consistently as those programs with an RTC. Those other programs get the benefit of their college wrestlers working with a variety of senior level wrestlers and the addition of a few more high level coaches. Are we missing that? Has that been one of the reasons we haven’t been able to hang another banner?
I agree that recruiting has been terrific lately and development will be key for us. But the RTC issue still hurts with certain guys.
Jesse Mendez was either #1 or #2 PFP and projected to 141. We had a huge hole at that weight before Carter Young flipped. Mendez made a ton of sense for us, but we didn't even make his school list (9 schools). When asked by Flo what he was looking for in a college, the first thing he said was a top RTC.
You don’t think there lower weights get better drilling and working with 4 time NC Steiber? Or their middle weights don’t get extra work rolling with Bo Jordan? I’m sure their big guys enjoy having Dhesi and Kolin Moore in the room.
I’m sure they do but Steiber and Jordan are coaches . You don’t think are kids get better from drilling with Espo,Zoe,Caldwell,Perry and J.Smith also have a world silver medalist an NC on the team. There is really only one good RTC and it is NLRTC and I agree it helps . Cliff Keen,Spartan and Penn are alright but haven’t had are results.
OhSt has high level college coaches as well. The RTC coaches are additional coaches and drilling partners.
No question everyone is chasing PSU but to discount the additional coaching and training the other programs with RTCs have and the advantage that provides is silly.
It doesn’t hurt probably neither does the top notch facilities . In saying that the future has to be navigating the NIL deals. Oklahoma State is being proactive which can give us a leg up on recruiting. I think Penn State having problems with recruiting now is due to not allowing certain NIL deals. I believe a national championship is coming in the next few year and hopefully we add a women’s team and a new wrestling room.
Having a world silver medalist in the room is great. But you have to keep Daton in the room. Same with AJ.
Prospective recruits know which schools provide their post grads with RTC opportunities. A few years ago, Kerkvliet decommitted from us for that exact reason. Mendez & Bouzakis don't know if Daton will be around in 2-3 years. And they don't know if they'll be around in 5-6 years. What do you think Ryan tells them? Ryan is a salesman. He sells the Jennings Wrestling Facility. He sells the RTC investment. And now he sells NIL opportunities.
He couldn’t sell it enough for his Olympic champion to stay apparently .
You are selling Ryan short. He's been way ahead of the curve. Snyder took his official visit to Ohio St in 2012 - way before RTCs took off. Ryan had Snyder practice with JD Bergman & Tervel Dlagnev, 2 world teamers at the time. Snyder committed shortly after and helped transform their program. He only left recently for PSU after he stopped winning gold medals. Understandable.
Fast forward to today and Ryan is setting up a NIL vendor row for coaches and recruits during their wrestle-offs. It worked. They signed the #1, #2 & #3 PFP recruits. All out of state.
I probably would say yes. I’m not sure it’s the only reason we’ve been in a slump, but it’s probably a descent part of it. Our recruiting and having a plethora of athletes competing in the room may help abate some of the RTC problems though
They coexist and train together all the time. Certain times of each season (Folk and Free) it’s somewhat limited.
