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Three and a half years ago, I posted we could see Alex at Iowa's RTC one day because of their fundraising efforts. Turns out it was Michigan and not Iowa.
Get ready to see Daton in different colors in 3 years and AJ in different colors in 5 years. Unless our coaches and administration recognize the new landscape.
Three and a half years ago, I posted we could see Alex at Iowa's RTC one day because of their fundraising efforts. Turns out it was Michigan and not Iowa.
Get ready to see Daton in different colors in 3 years and AJ in different colors in 5 years. Unless our coaches and administration recognize the new landscape.
No excuse for OSU to not have a RTC that is top 3 in the country. We have failed miserably on the RTC game in my opinion
I was on a rant earlier this year or maybe last year on this subject and I was shot down on all sides. It is evident, to take your program to the next level, your wrestlers need to be rolling with higher level athletes on a regular basis. We do a phenomenal job at every level except this one area. John may be of the opinion that if he did it the old school way, others can too. In my opinion, the game has changed. Iowa had more Olympic athletes in their room for years and they won. We had more Olympic athletes in our room for years and we won. Penn state has more Olympic athletes in their room and they win. Steel sharpens steel.
NIL would seem to make it ok to pay whomever you want under whatever guise is needed. I think we (meaning whatever outside group of wrestling fans that would love a training center in north central Oklahoma) could raise the money for it. And not all of them would require that much.
$150K/yr sounds high to me. That might be what a multiple time NCAA champ commands, but I think a multiple time AA would be quite a bit less.
But either way, Universities have been working to endow their RTC athlete & coaching positions, just as college scholarships have been done by many schools. Rob Koll said PSU's RTC has $9M in assets, with Cornell 2nd at $1.6M. He's been actively working to raise $ at Stanford.
And to the point above, NIL has changed the game even further. Yianna, Vito & Mason Parris are all funded by their RTC corporate sponsor.
But either way, Universities have been working to endow their RTC athlete & coaching positions, just as college scholarships have been done by many schools. Rob Koll said PSU's RTC has $9M in assets, with Cornell 2nd at $1.6M. He's been actively working to raise $ at Stanford.
And to the point above, NIL has changed the game even further. Yianna, Vito & Mason Parris are all funded by their RTC corporate sponsor.
Knowing my OK State friends, I don’t think we are going to settle for anything less than the best. An RTC has to have 5-6 guys. Right? When we had 3 or 4 guys there was bitching about how we didn’t have anyone. While we’re at it let’s shoot for all multiple time world medalists. What’s a David Taylor, Kyle Snyder, Thomas Gilman, Kyle Dake, and Jordan Burroughs cost per year?
If we can’t afford that then we go down to guys that made a world team but didn’t medal.
If we can’t afford that then we go down to 4x AAs.
If we can’t afford that then we go down to multiple time AAs.
If we can’t afford that then single time AAs.
By the time we get to that point the guys in the room are at that level.
If it’s so easy to raise money, where is the new facility for wrestling?
Myles Amine had those 2 Cowboys to roll around with and managed to get beat by a true freshman that had zero RTC help.
If we can’t afford that then we go down to guys that made a world team but didn’t medal.
If we can’t afford that then we go down to 4x AAs.
If we can’t afford that then we go down to multiple time AAs.
If we can’t afford that then single time AAs.
By the time we get to that point the guys in the room are at that level.
If it’s so easy to raise money, where is the new facility for wrestling?
Myles Amine had those 2 Cowboys to roll around with and managed to get beat by a true freshman that had zero RTC help.
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this is a very fair and valid point
after the basketball debacle does anyone trust the ncaa to administer ok st in the same manner as other schools
Regarding the NCAA and Oklahoma State.
Dez Bryant lies about going to dinner with Deion Sanders. He is suspended for an entire calendar year. Even though he is obviously going pro at the end of the season. I’m not going to waste my time looking up the exact facts, but Florida has a couple of players stealing items, they lie about it, receive very little punishment.
Baseball, who was the pitcher that Wichita State reported before they are set to play us in the regional? Andrew Oliver? NCAA rules him ineligible. He is not allowed to play, but sues the NCAA later and wins.
Wrestling, John Smith took over a program that had just been given a near death penalty punishment.
Football in the late 80s. Paying for players like the team in Norman. OSU gets near death penalty. What has OU received punishment wise that even sniffs that punishment? Even though I’m fairly certain they are probably cheating a little bit more. Rhett Bomar anyone? Kicking them off the team doesn’t release you from punishment. We fired the basketball coach. Still got punished.
Basketball, everyone just saw the postseason ban. That was for 1 major infraction. Kansas had 5 major infractions. Anyone want to bet that Kansas won’t get a postseason ban? Bill Self was caught on the phone orchestrating the deals. OSU was basically exonerated and still got hammered. Arizona Wildcats going to be punished like we were? I doubt it.
Now tell me again how everyone wants to dance around in gray areas.
NIL isn’t free reign to do whatever you want. Who do you think the NCAA is going to set an example out of to prove a point? Alabama football or Mississippi State football?
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Well OSU wrestling is falling farther behind each season and our RTC is a after thought. Ohio State PSU and Iowa is ramping theirs up every chance they get. Don’t be fooled and think these guys are about anything but money and winning Titles coming out of High school
Do you really believe that the NCAA doesn’t care if anyone else makes mistakes, except for OSU? I guess if we only slightly brake the rules, we will blend in to the rest of the NCAA and the big bad NCAA crocodile won’t bite us.
Probably, what will happen is we are in the NCAA pack, all just braking the rules, Willy nilly, and the NCAA crock will push his way through all the “law brakers” and see us, the poor defenseless rule benders, OSU cowboys, and ban us to oblivion. 😆😆😆
Probably, what will happen is we are in the NCAA pack, all just braking the rules, Willy nilly, and the NCAA crock will push his way through all the “law brakers” and see us, the poor defenseless rule benders, OSU cowboys, and ban us to oblivion. 😆😆😆
I'm all for beefing up our RTC but who are the elite level senior guys at Iowa and Ohio State right now? Honest question, because I can't think of one but I'm sure I'm forgetting someone. From the outside looking in it doesn't appear Ohio State or Iowa are ramping up their RTCs (at least by adding high level senior guys to train with). Ohio State is pumping money into facilities which is the route we are trying to go down.
I agree the NCAA is a joke and they target certain programs. But if that's the concern and we believe RTCs are a gray area, then why are we involved at all?
Alex did not become the volunteer coach until the 2018-19 season. Before that he was strictly a post grad RTC athlete. Same with Derek & Eddie. And we still have 2 RTC coaches on staff. Shouldn't we get out completely?
As posted above, I think John needs to clarify his position on RTCs & NIL.
Alex did not become the volunteer coach until the 2018-19 season. Before that he was strictly a post grad RTC athlete. Same with Derek & Eddie. And we still have 2 RTC coaches on staff. Shouldn't we get out completely?
As posted above, I think John needs to clarify his position on RTCs & NIL.
What happened with basketball, where is the head coach and what happened to him?
Do you think the NCAA treats Kentucky football the same way they do Ohio State or Alabama football? Hell no. If Kentucky is breaking the same rules as Alabama they’ll throw the book at Kentucky. They’ve already proven they’ll go after OSU wrestling. Want to see if they’ll do it again?
Iowa has 7 senior level wrested that were highly credentialed college guys and a former Olympian as the head coach. They gives the current student athletes 8 additional workout partners to work with.
OhSt has Logan as the HC with Jaggers and Bo Jordan among the staff. They have 5 athletes including Dhesi and Moore.
A few other RTCs are growing but all are chasing PSU. We are fighting an uphill battle in terms of recruiting and development as long as we continue to not join this race.
For sure and we need to beef up who we have in the room. Not debating that all. I'm just saying I don't look at Iowa and Ohio State as two programs who are killing it if we are strictly talking about having top notch senior athletes in the room. No offense to Sammy Brooks but if was announced Sammy Brooks was hired by us tomorrow would anyone really care? Ohio State is a little better.
Now are they better situations than we currently have? Sure but Iowa and Ohio State have had their own issues holding on to those elite level senior guys as well.
Wait. Are you all saying that post-grad wrestlers in RTCs are making $100-150k a year? Do you have any data or is it speculation? Also, is the salary coming solely from the RTC or is the RTC paying them like 50% and the other 50% comes from sponsorships/endorsements/products etc.
How much do you think Snyder is getting paid by Nittany Lion wrestling? I don’t know, I’m guessing it is 6 figures.
I'm sorry but I don't think this is an appropriate place for profanities and insults. Inflammatory posts are certainly more common on the other parts of Rivals - clicking your profile name shows that you're active on the political threads - but that's not really the vibe here. We are all here because are passionate about OSU wrestling, which does not include flinging insults at strangers from our keyboards. Be respectful of other posters or don't post, that's my MO and it's what I've seen on 34 and Counting.
Just ask yourself - WWJD? What Would John Do?
I deleted it. Checked my posting history👀.I'm sorry but I don't think this is an appropriate place for profanities and insults. Inflammatory posts are certainly more common on the other parts of Rivals - clicking your profile name shows that you're active on the political threads - but that's not really the vibe here. We are all here because are passionate about OSU wrestling, which does not include flinging insults at strangers from our keyboards. Be respectful of other posters or don't post, that's my MO and it's what I've seen on 34 and Counting.
Just ask yourself - WWJD? What Would John Do?
I think the big names are making around $100k from their respective RTC. When you add takes and health insurance it’s probably around a $150k annual investment for the clubs.
Most guys are in the $50-80k range I would imagine.
In for a penny, in for a pound. We are already doing it so why not do it right? Unless it is a money issue I want to know EXACTLY why we aren’t doing it. I completely fail to see how we can pay NIL to current wrestlers but can’t load up an RTC not funded by OSU….especially when everybody else is doing it….BEFORE NIL even came around. Makes no sense. If it is a money issue, put out the call. It will get funded.
Well, I don’t disagree at with what you’re saying. It’s ok for me, and others to voice our concern over the RTC situation. I’m willing to go down with the ‘John smith’ ship if need be. If John wants to take the program in a different direction, I’m sure he has good reason, I would like to know that direction though.
Who is the "we" that is paying NIL to current wrestlers? I don't think any of our guys are loading up on NIL deals (outside of maybe AJ).
I completely agree. Just because we have different opinions on how the program is run, we are still on the same team. I don’t take my opinions personal and I can appreciate other’s thoughts. Like a previous post that disagrees with me, I guess he is concerned that the fan base will turn on John. I can understand where he is coming from. I feel John does a great job and deserves the benefit of the doubt but I can also voice my concerns. Let’s keep the shots from being personalI'm sorry but I don't think this is an appropriate place for profanities and insults. Inflammatory posts are certainly more common on the other parts of Rivals - clicking your profile name shows that you're active on the political threads - but that's not really the vibe here. We are all here because are passionate about OSU wrestling, which does not include flinging insults at strangers from our keyboards. Be respectful of other posters or don't post, that's my MO and it's what I've seen on 34 and Counting.
Just ask yourself - WWJD? What Would John Do?
