Interesting to see what the board's response is so far.
Unofficial Epstein Poll
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Let me guess, you are the lone vote on Trump having him killed? SMFH
He's on record (I think) as saying this was administrative negligence. I think that's the least likely thing, but it's what will be pushed by the powers that be, because it will cover up whatever actually happened.
No, I'm in the "clean suicide" camp right now out of deference to one of my main theses over the last 10 years: Any party that says they dislike government is probably really bad at government. For now I'm chalking it up to understaffing and gross incompetence.
Trust me, I'm more than willing to blame Biff for being some corrupt conspirator, I just think the simplest explanation is suicide.
My understanding is narcissists kill themselves, in fact it's the logical end of criminal narcissism. They can't deal with reality, much less a hopeless reality. Everything is devoted to maintaining the bigger than life image, and when that hits reality.... whew.
Hell it's their only defense: we were incompetent. And in defense of the conspiracy theorists.... that is some reckless, crazy incompetence.
People on both sides of the aisle wanted to keep pulling threads and see where this went. I think the admin is playing with fire on this, as NOBODY really seems to be like, "Well, you know, shit happens, oh well." It really does smell that bad.
So would any of this change your vote? Assume that it's never solved and they only charge his female swamper Ghisllaine whatever.... you amp'd up enough over this to change your vote? Cuz I gotta be honest... all these flights with Bill Clinton on it makes me wonder. All these guys had to know what a sorry p.o.s. he was. I know Clinton runs hot but.. holy shit. And Biff was damn sure cozy with him for a while, too.
Not one person has said Epstein was a playboy type -- nada. Maybe he was, but I haven't seen it. It looks like he wasn't into the ladies as much as the really YOUNG ladies. A horny old cocksman like Clinton or Biff loves em all -- old, young, skinny, roamy... I know that guy and he's motivated by women with bodies and tits and curves, not girls -- girls just don't rev their engine. I never took Biff or Clinton seriously as possible pedasts because of that. I don't think Epstein was running women like Biff and Clinton's tastes run -- they plainly love women, all kinds of women. That makes me ask wtf Clinton was doing with him, then? Just... horny men - even the really horny ones -- don't go for children. The more you hear about them chasing women the more REMOTE the chance of them being pedophiles, in my head. So Clinton? I don't know wtf to think about that, he's an epic womanizer. Same dynamic with Biff -- he's obviously a horny old lech, that just doesn't typically translate to pedophilia, so I have a hard time thinking he'd be afraid of some pedo deal, too. Man this looks bad, though.
It could be all these people were sponging off the guy like politicians and celebrities do... I just don't know.
Edit: Accordingly, my off three rails, corner pocket, crazy, darkhorse, secondary prediction: The saudi prince had him off'd because he was providing girls to or getting them from Saudis. Not one of our usual pussy chasers -- not their style to chase girls.
It's only a defense, if the we didn't get what we need before this chess piece was taken off the board. In other words, there will need to be something against which the administration will need to defend themselves.
If the pedo elite aren't rounded up, you'll be right by default - but I still don't think it explains what really happened.
This is as good a guess as any.
My wild assed guess: This is what real world power looks like. Everyone in America knew this guy was at risk to be murdered the second he was arrested. If this wasn't some level of our own government that did it, it had to be somebody so well monied that price up and down the chain of communication had to be bought
Jeff Bezos. Richest man in the world. Keeps showing up around the edges of the Epstein story and has the money to fund any feasible scenario. I have nothing else to base this on, but he always seems kinda sketchy, and he's had a bad year with an expensive divorce.
The intensity of my "I don't GAF" about this topic cannot be properly measured using today's technology.
I could care less about john deere tractors.
Brb guys, gonna go find a john deere forum and tell them i don't care.
If Trump had anything to hide, would his AG be so eager for answers? Does anyone here believe Eric or Loretta would give a whit about further inquiries?
Other for me. Lots of possibilities.
Although I heard that Bill Clinton was near the prison at the time of the murder. I mean suicide.
Although I heard that Bill Clinton was near the prison at the time of the murder. I mean suicide.
Well sir, using the Democrat way of counting votes in their primary, the board's consensus is -- the Clintons did it.
It's called a dog and pony show.
I'm not saying that is what this is, but it is a completely plausible explanation as to why Barr would be so adamant about finding answers and we all know how adamant he is.
You don't think it is realistic that either/both is/are into young girls, but don't act on their impulses because it is taboo?
IMO, they could easily be pedophiles who watch porn of teenagers, but know that acting on their desires would result in prison/ruin. I think there are a lot of men like that out there. Epstein gave the wealthy ones an avenue to satisfy their fantasies with no repercussions. I think it is very likely that Clinton falls into this group. Trump seems less likely, although I would not be surprised if he experimented before cutting ties with JE.
One thing that I find very curious: Where are all the victims? Less than a handful of girls have come forward with claims that they were recruited into Epstein's world and forced into sex with old men. With this story so big over the last month, I would expect a bunch of victims to raise their hand and claim to be victims and accuse wealthy/powerful men of having sex with them. Additionally, I would expect fake victims to make claims, as they look for a payoff, or look to besmirch someone whose politics they disagree with. Why isn't any of this happening?
Donald Trump and Bill Clinton both have poor sexual impulse control, imo. Their sexual impulses are pretty well publicized. If they were into girls I think something would've come up. I"m only aware of that one 13 y.o. that said Biff raped her at Epstein's orgy and that wasn't credible. (At the time.) I think if Clinton had a yen for young ones he'd have acted on it in AR and that'd be tough to keep quiet. They both fit a stereotype of male with a strong id that have a hard time keeping it under wraps... but it aint' young girls.
I think I read there have been multiple ones quietly come forward to LE.
Look what happens to women that do that -- they get dragged throught he sewer. Yeah some skeezy types like that notoriety(Biff's type) but some of biff's accusers didn't want money or limelight and went right back to their lives. MANY of them were totally normal women that weren't after anything. It's a helluva inconvenience and notoriety to most normal women. Look at Kavanaugh's accuser.
And he probably paid some or most of them. How many women want it known they were paid to have sex with dirty old men?
All that said, yeah Epstein doesn't have the victims screaming that Weinstein did.
This was not a criticism of being interested, it was merely my cry for help hoping someone could convince me to care.
All good points. But, supposedly there are 100's of victims. It seems like more of them would be stepping into the limelight now that the story is top of mind.
This is a good poll, I just don't have any fricken clue. I guess I will go with "other" since I think the mossad angle would make the besk Netflix original series
You laugh, but Mueller has a history of investigating things in a way that they quietly go away.
People that combine the traits of "pedophile" and "poor impulse control" are the true danger to society.
People are scared. They brainwashed these girls. Also he would threaten to take care of them if they didn’t do what he wanted. Did he follow through on that threat? We may never know.
The sad thing is Epstein is one of many.
I had a childhood friend that was involved in several questionable business ventures along the eastern seaboard that started telling stories before his premature death.
Of course, he died of "natural causes."
I had a childhood friend that was involved in several questionable business ventures along the eastern seaboard that started telling stories before his premature death.
Of course, he died of "natural causes."
I think it is true. I also think that is the main reason he was taken off suicide watch. Makes sense for so many reasons.
The guy who choked him out is a mob cop. What I originally believed about this being related to the Russian/Ukrainian/Israeli/American Mafia spiderweb.
Those of you who chose "clean suicide" might want to rethink. No way he breaks bones in his neck with a bed sheet noose, in a room with a low ceiling.
That article from WaPo also says older men have those breaks more frequently and it happens in hangings. The 8 foot ceiling is a wild card... are we sure that's 8 feet? Now we're getting into physics whether and how he'd have to hang himself with that tiny drop.
I don't know what to think.
I'm no expert, but I can't imagine a jail cell ceiling being high enough that he can climb up on something, step/jump off and fall far enough to break a bone....even a small one.
More likely, he would have tied the sheet around his neck, and the top of the bars, then lifted up his feet and died of asphyxiation. Even that seems like a stretch as he would have just had to put his feet down to survive.
One article I read said he tied the bed sheet to the top of the bunk beds. If so it's very unlikely that any bones in his neck would break.
My own opinion, and it is just an opinion, is that the person or persons responsible for carrying out the hit in Epstein's jail cell, could have very well represented a number of the people you sight in your poll question. Perhaps several of those mentioned in the poll question got together and agreed that Epstein must go ASAP.
I agree, fishy AF. But...
Bourdain did it with a bathrobe belt in a old-ass hotel with low ceilings from the looks of it. https://www.tmz.com/2018/06/09/anthony-bourdain-suicide-bath-robe-belt-hanging-hotel-death/
There was some other celebrity that ACCIDENTALLY hanged himself on the back of a bathroom door in asia a while back... i can not remember who that was but remember thinking, "Damn how couldyou let THAT kill you?"
I agree though, I don't know how a non-obese guy can generate enough force to hang himself off a bunk bed.
Bourdain did it with a bathrobe belt in a old-ass hotel with low ceilings from the looks of it. https://www.tmz.com/2018/06/09/anthony-bourdain-suicide-bath-robe-belt-hanging-hotel-death/
There was some other celebrity that ACCIDENTALLY hanged himself on the back of a bathroom door in asia a while back... i can not remember who that was but remember thinking, "Damn how couldyou let THAT kill you?"
I agree though, I don't know how a non-obese guy can generate enough force to hang himself off a bunk bed.
