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Trump surging now in battleground states

trump is the economy

you like an israel with a strong us partner?
or you like a US partner shipping palates of cash to iran?

trumps been good to you

you should get over yourself

1). Remember that you said "tump is the economy" 4 years from now. IMO, he is borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Short term gains over long term vision.

2). I agree that Trump has been good for Israel. However, the same is true for all POTUS, in my lifetime, save one. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Trump's successor won't be a strong partner to Israel.
 
Of course because all of your previous posting up until now has just been a clinic on how not to waste time and energy.

47,000 posts on a message board and now we are being a little more measured with our time and energy.

Yawn.
 
1). Remember that you said "tump is the economy" 4 years from now. IMO, he is borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. Short term gains over long term vision.

2). I agree that Trump has been good for Israel. However, the same is true for all POTUS, in my lifetime, save one. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Trump's successor won't be a strong partner to Israel.

How many followed through on moving the embassy to Jerusalem?
 
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nah. Your solution to fixing poverty is akin to stating that we just need Harry Potter to cast a spell to fix the problem.
I wonder how some people in poverty manage to get out of poverty...

Do they get out of poverty because the government selects them and then provides the material means?
 
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2). I agree that Trump has been good for Israel. However, the same is true for all POTUS, in my lifetime, save one. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Trump's successor won't be a strong partner to Israe
Who is the "save one?"
 
I wonder how some people in poverty manage to get out of poverty...

Do they get out of poverty because the government selects them and then provides the material means?

Are you saying that no one should help them and they will sink or swim on their own?
 
I wonder how some people in poverty manage to get out of poverty...

Do they get out of poverty because the government selects them and then provides the material means?

Most "progressives" think poverty is a permanent condition. And they are fine with that because it ensures a reliable voting base.
 
Nope. It's a question, sir, not a statement. How do some people in poverty get out of poverty? Is the government responsible? If so, how come only some people get out of poverty and not all?
Some of them win the lottery
 
Nope. It's a question, sir, not a statement. How do some people in poverty get out of poverty? Is the government responsible? If so, how come only sime people get out of poverty and not all?

Seems to me that if you take all of the individuals who were once poor enough to be considered to be "in poverty", and who are no longer classified as "in poverty", there would be multiple answers to the question of "What allowed him/her to change his/her lot in life"? For some, it might be one specific answer. For others, it might be multi-factoral. In some cases, the government likely played a role. In others, it did not.
 
Been, I didn't want to assume so I asked just to clarify. With that being the case, what about the current state of the Democratic Party leads you to believe the next Democratic president will be different from him?

Well, if we look at the last 2 Dem POTUS, it would be 1 that was positive for Israel one that was negative, so I'd say it is 50/50 at worst. With that said, it is only logical that strong support for Israel is in the best interest of the U.S., so I think B.O. was an exception rather than a rule for modern day Dems. Now if Omar throws her hat in the ring for POTUS, I might change my opinion.
 
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Just like an alcoholic a person can only escape poverty if they themselves decide to do it. You nor the government can do it for them.

That's fair. But, the government can provide a ladder to help them climb out. It is then up to them to decide whether they want to make the climb or not.

Do you agree that there are currently individuals who can't find their way out even if they decide to put forth every possible amount of effort to escape their situation?
 
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The wingnuts are making this board unreadable. Three things over and over:

1. Personally attack the poster;

2. Scattershot irrelevant talking points they hear from right wing social media and try to project it on posters on this board (GOTTA PUT IT TO USE!);

3. When confronted with facts and/or logic, just act Wharrydumb and spew feed dock opinions for the win.
 
That's fair. But, the government can provide a ladder to help them climb out. It is then up to them to decide whether they want to make the climb or not.

Do you agree that there are currently individuals who can't find their way out even if they decide to put forth every possible amount of effort to escape their situation?
In my opinion that is extremely rare today that a person who worked hard to climb out of poverty would be totally unable to do so. Maybe the mentally handicapped. Other than that, a lifetime of solid decisions, delayed gratification, and work ethic will allow anyone to slowly improve their lot in life to the point they are no longer impoverished.
 
That's fair. But, the government can provide a ladder to help them climb out. It is then up to them to decide whether they want to make the climb or not.

Do you agree that there are currently individuals who can't find their way out even if they decide to put forth every possible amount of effort to escape their situation?

The government has been providing a ladder for those in poverty for 60 years with less than desirable results. Unless a person has a real physical or mental handicap there is no reason a person should be living in generational poverty. IMO the very government programs designed to help those in poverty do nothing but trap people in poverty.
 
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Seems to me that if you take all of the individuals who were once poor enough to be considered to be "in poverty", and who are no longer classified as "in poverty", there would be multiple answers to the question of "What allowed him/her to change his/her lot in life"? For some, it might be one specific answer. For others, it might be multi-factoral. In some cases, the government likely played a role. In others, it did not.
Do you think culture and personal decisions play any role? If only the government can bring people out of poverty, we'd probably not have as much poverty in light of the amount of money that's been spent on the war on poverty.
 
Do you think culture and personal decisions play any role? If only the government can bring people out of poverty, we'd probably not have as much poverty in light of the amount of money that's been spent on the war on poverty.

Government brought millions out of poverty since the 1960's.
 
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There are two things that the Dem candidate can ding Trump on. One is of Trump's own doing, Iran. The other Trump has been vague on as to not disrupt his base, removing Marijuana from the narcotics schedule.
 
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In my opinion that is extremely rare today that a person who worked hard to climb out of poverty would be totally unable to do so. Maybe the mentally handicapped. Other than that, a lifetime of solid decisions, delayed gratification, and work ethic will allow anyone to slowly improve their lot in life to the point they are no longer impoverished.
Who would flip our burgers if everyone put their mind to getting out of poverty?
 
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Who would flip our burgers if everyone put their mind to getting out of poverty?
That’s a transitional job. I flipped burgers when I was young. It isn’t a career.

So who would flip burgers? Anyone starting out in their work career.
 
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Poor people need to not have unprotected sex and drop out of high school. Rich people need to take their own private money and start employment and training programs for the poor citizens that make up their community
The first purchase for the programs are belts or suspenders.
 
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In my opinion that is extremely rare today that a person who worked hard to climb out of poverty would be totally unable to do so. Maybe the mentally handicapped. Other than that, a lifetime of solid decisions, delayed gratification, and work ethic will allow anyone to slowly improve their lot in life to the point they are no longer impoverished.
It may be rare today but not when the civil rights movement started.I came to the US in 69 and I have seen lot of minorities improve tremendously since then,govt played a major role in that movement.
There are poor whites and poor blacks who are poor because of their personal choices.
But there are others in all the groups who could get out with a little help from uncle sam.
 
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