Trump/Affirmative Action

[CowboyJD]

Yes --- it's exponentially better for immigrants to adapt / integrate / assimilate into the societies they immigrate to.

Parallel societies (IE multiculturalism) breaks up societal cohesion and reduces trust.

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You've chosen to define multiculturalism as "parallel societies".

I reject your definition.

 

[CowboyJD]

It's not exactly secret --- it's just not directly promoted to the public.

Does that make sense?

No, but little you promote and spam this board with does when you really think about it critically.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Just as you don't fight terrorists with the same tactics they use. Otherwise you become what you are fighting against in the first place.

Curtis LeMay called. The Enola Gay is gonna be late.

I often wonder if some Americans forget where we have come from as a nation over the past fifty or so years. There is a reason for the progress we have seen.

Yup. It worked. It's as simple as that. There are two conversations here: 1. Has it worked, and 2. Should we change it going forward? There's an actual black middle class, educated blacks everywhere, and just in my lifetime there's a big difference in race relations (outside of this thread, anyhow). That is undeniable imo.

I am all for looking at solutions at the root cause. Solution like free 2-year college at Tulsa Community College for lower income students (it is a great idea and one that was recently implemented). Scholarships that give strong preference to economically needy students (great solution and we need more). Charter schools to lift students out of low performing high schools (another great idea that helps thousands of young people).

Yep. I'm open to this kind of stuff. In fact, I'm wide open to suggestions for something in place of affirmative action..... from people that seem to have some bona fide desire to help instead of bolstering privilege. Poor @BIGOSUFAN stays up at night worrying about who's gonna defend caucasians.

All that said, I've wondered why poor white trash can't get the same "hand up" that blacks and indians get. Whether AA should be expanded to more race-neutral and financial/education opportunity criteria is a conversation worth having. Shaquille O'Neal's kids don't need it. We'd all be better off if some poor white kids could get a shot.

A corollary issue is how expensive good colleges are and who should get to go. What does a Vanderbilt cost now? Medic was thundering about Fairleigh U's associate philosophy professor a while back and I looked up the place -- it's a minor, nothing school but the cost was like.... $45k per year or something. What poor kid can afford that? Or start their career with $200k in debt? Talk about the rich getting richer. If that's an elite education and entry in the business world, it should be accessible to poor kids, too.

 

[Ponca Dan]

When you use the words "adapt, integrate, assimilate"...what do you mean?

Just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you.

GL, I'm a little late to the party with this, but I thought it could be of benefit to your perspective:

http://reason.com/archives/2017/08/04/get-government-out-of-the-college-discri