Against Islam. Just like the Japanese would not stop without the big one, muslims won't either. This problem will never go away without a ruthless response.
There is no threshold of violence in which liberals will support action
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Against a specific religion? No, kinda proud of that.
Against those who perpetrate acts such as tonight? Hang em high. Take em out with drones, snipers, whatever you got....
Against those who perpetrate acts such as tonight? Hang em high. Take em out with drones, snipers, whatever you got....
Like we did the Vietcong? We killed them like cockroaches and never gained toward a victory. If we want to eliminate the threat we have to be ruthless.
Until Islam finally reforms itself, it should be an international pariah.
Muslims are like smokers. Not all smokers get or cause lung cancer but enough do that laws had to be changed to protect non smokers.
The biggest problem however remains multiculturalism. Allowing this to exist is fully the fault of western democracies. I don't blame Muslims for this. It's our fault as a culture that it's been allowed to happen.
These Euromuslim enclaves need to be broken up and these people need to fully assimilate or gtfo.
Muslims are like smokers. Not all smokers get or cause lung cancer but enough do that laws had to be changed to protect non smokers.
The biggest problem however remains multiculturalism. Allowing this to exist is fully the fault of western democracies. I don't blame Muslims for this. It's our fault as a culture that it's been allowed to happen.
These Euromuslim enclaves need to be broken up and these people need to fully assimilate or gtfo.
Their motivation is rooted in their religion.
Deny it if you want but a large percentage of non violent Muslims sympathize with the radicals. It's a huge problem that won't be solved in our life time.
Either the world will eventually get fed up and make it so painful for the Muslim world that they rise up and snuff it out or the world is screwed.
Until the Muslim leaders are all in on getting rid of this evil sh!t like London is going to go on without end.
Deny it if you want but a large percentage of non violent Muslims sympathize with the radicals. It's a huge problem that won't be solved in our life time.
Either the world will eventually get fed up and make it so painful for the Muslim world that they rise up and snuff it out or the world is screwed.
Until the Muslim leaders are all in on getting rid of this evil sh!t like London is going to go on without end.
What is your proposed solution?
Personally, I agree with medic. GTFO of Syria,Iraq and Afgh and let them kill each other off. That still leaves Iran w/nukes as a significant problem. Not sure what to do about them.
As far as how to make Europe safer, I have no idea. Not sure if it is possible at this point.
No Harry, liberals totally condemn the violence, they just also see that certain people/ideologies consistently set up enemies to overact against. You can set your watch by it. Any time there's an excuse to gang bang some targeted minority (arabs, jews, pacifists, homos, blacks, commies, trannies...) certain people are all in and love it. From Salem, to the red scares to jim crow, they're always there, ready to "fix" someone.
I'll say whoever was stoking gay marriage fears and making sure it was on the Oklahoma ballot so that everyone can vote against it and save marriage has some pretty eff'd up ideas for London, too.
I'm about the most anti-Islam guy on here, but i can also see the alarmist bullshit coming from a mile away from conservatives.
Be thankful they didn't get their hands in some semi-auto guns.
I'll say whoever was stoking gay marriage fears and making sure it was on the Oklahoma ballot so that everyone can vote against it and save marriage has some pretty eff'd up ideas for London, too.
I'm about the most anti-Islam guy on here, but i can also see the alarmist bullshit coming from a mile away from conservatives.
Be thankful they didn't get their hands in some semi-auto guns.
This is why the liberal judges should be hung for allowing people in the US from countries that export terrorism without us having a means to vet them. How on earth can we have our heads in the sand and think it will not happen here? Best thing to do is prevention, I am afraid 10 years from now we will look back and ask ourselves why were we so weak and naive?
When there is an attack on the west, destroy a Muslim city. One for one until they stop or muslims are gone.
Since I forgot...
Establish diplomatic relations with Iran. The Iranian people are largely a westernized group. Their leadership likely acts the way they do toward the US because of the US. It's insane that our government, who finally acknowledged its role in the 1953 coup that installed the Shah due to increasing Soviet influence, can't seem to wrap its head around why Iran views the US as an enemy. The Shah was friendly to the US, but was corrupt as hell and brutally repressed political dissent. The 1979 Iranian Revolution happened because the Iranian people had tired of the monarchy. Add to that our support of Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war, including US support of the Iraqi use of chemical weapons, shooting down Iran Air 665, the stupid George Bush 2.0's "Axis of Evil," and the blind US support of all things Israel, it should be no mystery why they view the US as an enemy and feel compelled to pursue a nuclear deterrent.
It's interesting that Iran supported our fight against the Taliban and supports our fight against ISIS. It's time to sit down with them, establish diplomatic relations, guarantee them security and adopt a peaceful posture, and begin working jointly on issues that affect us both in the region. Demand that Israel work diligently and peacefully to establish a two state solution, using sanctions if necessary, and ask that Iran do the same with the Palestinians. I firmly believe that we may find a willing and capable partner if we just stopped acting like assholes.
So, when 7 people die on London Bridge, destroy an entire city in Somalia? You support that line of thinking?
Many of us have been asking that question for some time especially the past 8 years.
I kind of like that idea. Look to Iran to set the tone and bring the ME countries that we pull out of to heel. The big hang up is Israel. I can't see Iran ever wanting to allow them to continue to exist peacefully. They would be positioned, and have the weapons to erase them from the planet.
What if Iran's anti-Israel stance is purely posturing as a result of US policy and Israel's actions? What if a change in US policy and Israel's actions would change that stance?
The Mayor of London is either a dense fool or believes his inactions better protect him for re-election.
Legal immigrants - yes.
Refugees with unreliable documentation - no
Illegal Mexicans - no
Illegal "other than Mexicans' - no
We have a massive problem of undocumented aliens who haven't been remotely vetted and the best case scenario has them filling up sections of this country that was once sovereign Mexican territory and not being forced to assimilate culturally or even speak English.
Worst case? Terror cells everywhere because of our southern border policy.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.theb...ast-year-and-where-some-of-them-are-from/amp/
Sunni Muslims are a big problem. They even view shiites as apostates and kill them. I watched an interview with a Shia imam who's family migrated to Australia because they didn't want to live in a Muslim country any longer. His father is a cleric (may have it backwards but one is an imam and the other a cleric). Guy is definitely risking his life speaking out as a religious leader.
Yes. It would be up to them how many of their people died. Hopefully after it was announced there would be no more terror attacks.
That's just dumb. That policy would drive more Muslims to the radical side, and there would be an increase in terror attacks. If the radicals are not afraid to die for their cause, why would they care about the city we woul destroy after they are dead?
You are proposing that we punish dead terrorists by mustering innocent women and children.
I got to give it up to JoyReid and her panel today on MSNBC. It takes an amazing amount of skill to take the discussion about the terror attack in London and turn it in to a 10-minute anti-Trump diatribe.
I learned from her panel that Trump's push against illegal immigration is a cause. And that Trump doesn't care about American of color because he didn't visit Portland (also apparently according to MSNBC the attacker was a Trump supporting white-supremist).
I learned from her panel that Trump's push against illegal immigration is a cause. And that Trump doesn't care about American of color because he didn't visit Portland (also apparently according to MSNBC the attacker was a Trump supporting white-supremist).
Were you alive in WWII? How many kamakazees have there been since we dropped those bombs? Prepared to die for their cause until they weren't.
Not sure I agree with the refugees not being sufficiently vetted. I don't know one way or the other. Don't disagree with the other 3 groups he listed.
Whether you agree is irrelevant. How do you vet someone who comes with sketchy AF documentation? Serious question. Vetting shouldn't simply be an article of faith.
1. Individual (let's call him Sayid) presents himself to U.S. soldiers in Syria asking for asylum and claims that he was displaced by the Syrian civil war and has nothing but the clothes on his back.
2. What happens to him? Do the soldiers help him? Do they turn him away? Does he go to a refugee camp?
3. Let's assume he goes to a refugee camp. How long does he have to stay there? Where does he go from there? What are the chances that he gets into the U.S.? Neither you or I know the answers.
4. My guess is that Sayid has almost no chance of being allowed entry to the U.S. If the U.S agrees to admit 50 refugees, from Syria, during a 6 month period, they can say, "Sorry Sayid, but we have no way of verifying that you are who you say you are. You can't come" Instead of you, we will take 14 year old Halama, who has appropriate documentation that proves her identity, and who has been in the refugee camp for 2 years already, and who is the only living relative of her 6 year old brother, who we will also be admitting.
5. Once Halama, and her brother are allowed into the U.S. they will be monitored, in some way, for an extended amount of time to verify that they are not a danger to U.S. citizens.
Is that system foolproof? Of course not. But, neither is it easy for a member of ISIS to use the refugee narrative to sneak into our country. I think it would be more likely that he would be able to travel to a South American country and make his way to, and through Mexico and cross the border illegally. But, even that would be difficult. Mexico isn't the safest place for non-Mexicans. Once he got to the U.S., I doubt it would be easy to find a place to live, acquire weapons, etc.
Both. They certainly aren't "pouring in" as we have been told by our esteemed POTUS. We are hearing about some kind of attack in Europe on almost a weekly basis. I don't believe that there are many (if any) lying in wait for the right time to strike in the U.S.
Trump is still tweeting about his Travel Ban, which makes absolutely no logical sense at this point. I am surprised more of his critics aren't pointing out how illogical the reasoning behind it is.
No offense but you have absolutely no idea if you are right so words like certainly are grossly inappropriate. Believe is more accurate.
Im not saying terrorists have poured across the Mexican border but you can't quantify anything to prove they haven't or won't. It's a big problem that creates cognitive dissonance.
You believe.....I do not think our safety should be placed on beliefs. That is what frustrates me, citizens in this country are ok putting us at risk and taking the risk it will never happen here and it is happening in Europe and we are their numero uno enemy. Our weakness is what they are counting on. We are a fully developed country and we should not be the first and last resort for a good life for foreigners running from their countries because they allowed them to become a cess pool.
Some citizens in this country are ok waiting until it is a problem here, when it does they assume it will not be anyone in their family dying. When it happens over here some of our citizens will look really two faced and blaming someone other than themselves. Wait until it is your wife, kids, or grand kids that are dying over here....I am not going to look my family in the eye and say I believed it just would never happen here.
Unfortunately, I believe it will take reality hitting home and for more families to suffer death here at home, it is already happening, but when it becomes more frequent what is really sad our dumbass citizens will be more concerned on which political party takes the blame and then go overboard on taking action.
Just watch, we start seeing frequent terrorism in this country and we will see a level of "hatred" toward the demographic population causing the terrorism that it will not be even funny, it will be hypocrisy at its finest because our entire population feels entitled and death of family members will be the line in the sand. This is why prevention is humane way to handle this, before it gets really nasty.
Our weakness is our pripensity to act on emotion. The stated objective of ISIS is not to kill dozens of innocents opportunistically. They are engaged in a gambit to initiate their "end times" mythology. They seek broadening engagement with all "non-believers". They seem to believe this broader engagement would by necessity pull the entirety of Islam into their orbit (at least those who are true to Islam).
I have no issue with taking them up on that challenge. I object though to making the case for them that all of Islam is the enemy of the west. If you rightly recognize we have risk now, how can you advocate feeding the fire of radicalization with more overly broad anti Islamic rhetoric?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
The numbers extremists are not going down they are going up and have been significantly over the last ten years. HSH's ideas are not going to do any more damage to the US image and might improve them in the minds if many around the world.
The US is not going to improve its image or stop terror by trying to look like Islam's friend. That will never happen.
Multi-cultural ideas have been a failure. Islam especially has pushed back hard and refuses to cooperate with any kind of multi-cultural idea.
If you want to stop terror at this point the way you do that is you take every port in N Africa and you will stop the refugees and force a change in that region. Create some new countries if you have to or invite Europe back to the imperialistic tendencies and have them each take a section.
The statis quo is not working. I'm pointing to what has worked in the past. It would work. I just don't think you will find people willing to stop the failed multi-cultural beliefs that is one of the primary reasons for the attacks.
Now back to the same arguments and ideas that will accomplish nothing.
The US is not going to improve its image or stop terror by trying to look like Islam's friend. That will never happen.
Multi-cultural ideas have been a failure. Islam especially has pushed back hard and refuses to cooperate with any kind of multi-cultural idea.
If you want to stop terror at this point the way you do that is you take every port in N Africa and you will stop the refugees and force a change in that region. Create some new countries if you have to or invite Europe back to the imperialistic tendencies and have them each take a section.
The statis quo is not working. I'm pointing to what has worked in the past. It would work. I just don't think you will find people willing to stop the failed multi-cultural beliefs that is one of the primary reasons for the attacks.
Now back to the same arguments and ideas that will accomplish nothing.
Your belief is dead wrong. Check out the news sometime. There are reportedly more than 300 active terror investigations involving refugees. There have been arrests of folks who came here as refugees and actual terror attacks by folks who came here as refugees.
I'm not arguing in favor of a travel ban, I'm only explaining why your belief is wrong.
Illegals do just that every day. I get your stance against the travel ban, but don't let that cloud what we all know is reality. There are illegals with driver licenses. They can and do find places to live, work, and yes, even get weapons.
I have said nothing about Islam, nothing. For me, this is not about religion or any of that. It is about protecting my friends and family. They engage in both psychological and physical warfare. There is no doubt they would behead every single American if they could, so implying the psychological part of their purpose is larger than their death toll makes no sense, and their death toll is unacceptable. I prefer to not engage them in physical combat, I prefer closing our boarders and only letting in those that can be vetted 100%, and they only should be allowed in if they can demonstrate like Canada requires you can contribute to society.
You ok with approving the death of one of your family members at the hands of a terrorist and allow everyone in even if the "total" death toll in the US is acceptable to you? Make it real for yourself, my family has suffered tragic death, it really does happen.
This is not about fear, it is about protecting our families. Do you lock your doors each night? Do you do that out of fear or do you do that out of common sense and a responsibility to your family to not take on stupid risk? BTW - Me locking my doors is not directed towards anyone of a particular religious background or skin color.
I didn't say it would be impossible. Just that it wouldn't be easy.
For Sayid to enter South America, travel all the way through Mexico, cross the border illegally, get a DL, and buy weapons, he would need to speak at least 3-4 languages, and he would need a lot of money and a lot of luck along the way. He would also probably need help from someone sympathetic to his cause...probably at least 1 person in 3 different countries, and he would have to contact his U.S. helper without getting picked up by U.S. intelligence.
Not impossible. But, also not just a matter of being well financed and having a strong desire.
