The next Obama apology tour...
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As we have seen for the last 8 years Obama will say one thing one day and something much different the next. Undoubtedly, he will say something to further his denigration of the US.
If he apologizes I will rip the hell out of him. The mere fact that it took 2 bombs to make the Japs submit should tell you everything you need to know about how many American lives would have been lost trying take back all the islands they were set up on. Both sides would have taken huge loses.
Oh come on I just shortened Japanese. If they can't handle that or anyone else can't they need to get thicker skin.
Are you saying orientals have thick skin? Racist.
Vito you should read the book "Hell to Pay," it was about the preparations to invade Japan by the US and the efforts to train every man, women and child to fight back....even with bamboo spears. I forget off hand how off our intelligence was on just the first island we would have had to invade, but it was something like 6 divisions off. Our soldiers would have had to slaughter 100's of thousands of civilians.
We made the right decision and Harry S Truman was a stud for taking that on his shoulders. It was raise the ambient temp to 2000 F + or bust.
We made the right decision and Harry S Truman was a stud for taking that on his shoulders. It was raise the ambient temp to 2000 F + or bust.
Exactly. The Japanese were prepared to defend their homeland to the bitter end. It was estimated that invading Japan would have cost well over a million people killed on both sides.
It's interesting that the Americans were just as terrified of an invasion of Japan as the Japanese were of an invasion of America......countries full of brave, patriotic citizens....or barbaric, unruly natives....depending on which team you were on.
Nippon, I don't think the average Japanese soldier/citizen was too worried about invading the US. They considered themselves far superior to the "round eyes." Now some of the upper echelon military folks who had spent time in the US understood what it would take to invade this country (Yamamoto & Kuribayashi as two examples) or defeat it.
Doubt "terrified" is the right word from the American side, as nothing I've ever read said they didn't think it couldn't be done. The price would have just been exorbitantly high and probably much higher then estimated. I think a better word would be extremely apprehensive. You also have to remember the Russians had jumped in towards the end of the war and they absolutely would have had zero inhibitions about killing every living thing in their path.
The US can be accused of whatever people want, especially the chicken shits who weren't there (or worse the chicken shits who live a free unencumbered life because we liberated their country) and have never immersed themselves in the history of the war. But we were on the right team and made the right call. The world, including Japan, is a better place for it as well. Two World Wars and over 700,000 US dead gives us a right to be called The Good Guys, on The Right Team.
I can guarantee you that pusscake idiot will do or say something eluding to the US having "acted stupidly."
Doubt "terrified" is the right word from the American side, as nothing I've ever read said they didn't think it couldn't be done. The price would have just been exorbitantly high and probably much higher then estimated. I think a better word would be extremely apprehensive. You also have to remember the Russians had jumped in towards the end of the war and they absolutely would have had zero inhibitions about killing every living thing in their path.
The US can be accused of whatever people want, especially the chicken shits who weren't there (or worse the chicken shits who live a free unencumbered life because we liberated their country) and have never immersed themselves in the history of the war. But we were on the right team and made the right call. The world, including Japan, is a better place for it as well. Two World Wars and over 700,000 US dead gives us a right to be called The Good Guys, on The Right Team.
I can guarantee you that pusscake idiot will do or say something eluding to the US having "acted stupidly."
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I think the Japanese record of war crimes and treatment of prisoners including the millions of Chinese they murdered during WW2 make those characterizations more than just a matter of perspective.
Absolutely. Read about the Nanking Massacre and the mass raping of women and killing of babies that they committed. Frankly they are lucky that they only had two nukes dropped on them due to their behavior up to that point.
Japanese war crimes are not being debated here. It's horrific stuff.
I know you guys have read every war book ever written but check out 'war trophies' in the Pacific theater and how the Japanese war department was able to convince the citizens of Japan of just how 'barbaric' the enemy was. It's pretty fascinating stuff. The Americans were portrayed as “deranged, primitive, racist and inhuman”. Christ, FDR had a letter opener in his office made from the arm of a Japanese soldier.
It's interesting to me how Japanese civilians were completely oblivious to the murder and rape of Chinese citizens but were told in detail about Americans cutting off heads and shipping them to their girlfriends in Iowa (was in Life magazine). Why do you think all those civilians were jumping off cliffs in Saipan? Pretty effective propaganda.
Anyway, back to that son-of-a-bitch Obama.
I know you guys have read every war book ever written but check out 'war trophies' in the Pacific theater and how the Japanese war department was able to convince the citizens of Japan of just how 'barbaric' the enemy was. It's pretty fascinating stuff. The Americans were portrayed as “deranged, primitive, racist and inhuman”. Christ, FDR had a letter opener in his office made from the arm of a Japanese soldier.
It's interesting to me how Japanese civilians were completely oblivious to the murder and rape of Chinese citizens but were told in detail about Americans cutting off heads and shipping them to their girlfriends in Iowa (was in Life magazine). Why do you think all those civilians were jumping off cliffs in Saipan? Pretty effective propaganda.
Anyway, back to that son-of-a-bitch Obama.
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I am currently reading this book; it's the 1st of planned trilogy (book 2 is also already out) on the War in the Pacific.
The author is considered somewhat of an expert on naval history. He writes in a very readable narrative style. Japanese society was majorly screwed up in the years from the mid to late 20's leading up to WWII. Yamamoto was one who actually tried to speak out and fight against the militarization of everything. He was STRONGLY against going to war with the U.S. and predicted exactly how it would play out in the long run. He also designed the Pearl Harbor attack.
The author is considered somewhat of an expert on naval history. He writes in a very readable narrative style. Japanese society was majorly screwed up in the years from the mid to late 20's leading up to WWII. Yamamoto was one who actually tried to speak out and fight against the militarization of everything. He was STRONGLY against going to war with the U.S. and predicted exactly how it would play out in the long run. He also designed the Pearl Harbor attack.
Have to share a story: the father of my father-in-law's best friend was a WW II vet and was on Iwo Jima about fifty yards away when the flag was raised and the famous photo taken. Many of his friends, including both guys on either side of him when they landed on the beach, were killed on Iwo Jima. Went to his grave hating the Japanese (which I hear is common among Pacific Theater vets).
Marshal how much do the books cover the land campaigns in conjunction with the navel campaigns/battles?
The one I am reading does somewhat, but only tangentially.
I've not even gotten to Midway yet though. The book went into great detail about Pearl Harbor and the immediate aftermath, then about Yamamoto personally and then about Japanese society and the military in great detail, and then Nimitz and Ernie King in great detail before getting back to the action following Pearl Harbor.
The book is 650 pages and only covers 1941-42 so it is pretty detailed.
Grandpa went to his grave hating the Japanese and the French. He fought the Germans but didn't hate them for some reason.
I know, most my WW2 stories where from Great uncles and my grandparents so excuse me if I ever drop a little 1948 lingo from time to time.
Mom was a "rosie the riveter" building C-47's for Douglas in OKC during the war; the Pac Theater vets didn't own that hatred.
I'm really curious how Obama will approach this sticky topic. He's setting himself up for what could be a sticky situation.
One 'problem' with the Hiroshima Peace Park is that it's entirely setup to portray what happened on that day in 1945, how it affected the citizens of Hiroshima Prefecture and the role nuclear weapons play in today's society. In contrast to Tokyo's Yasukuni Shrine and Museum, it doesn't (at least in the late 1990's) go into detail as to the background on the war or the reasons the Americans dropped the bomb. You come away from the experience realizing just how impactful and horrific this event truly was. That's a tough situation for a US president to walk into.
One 'problem' with the Hiroshima Peace Park is that it's entirely setup to portray what happened on that day in 1945, how it affected the citizens of Hiroshima Prefecture and the role nuclear weapons play in today's society. In contrast to Tokyo's Yasukuni Shrine and Museum, it doesn't (at least in the late 1990's) go into detail as to the background on the war or the reasons the Americans dropped the bomb. You come away from the experience realizing just how impactful and horrific this event truly was. That's a tough situation for a US president to walk into.
If they back talk Obama he will just unleash his drone army on them and kill them all right, lazy lying liberal @syskatine.
I'm sure that it was. The only thing that I can come close to comparing it to would be a devastating modern day tornado, similar to what Moore and Joplin have seen in the last 20 years. I suspect that while the intensity of the tornados might be similar, the area impacted by the bombs, combined with the emergency resources of the day would have to have made the impact on the Japanese citizenry significantly more than a monster tornado.
