Something says John Podesta or Samantha Bee wouldn't eat in this multicultural buffet.
The left claims all cultures are equal
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I have to ask......what's with all the posts bashing various cultures around the world? It's quite intriguing.
The Podesta tweet is without context and could mean one of a hundred things.
The two tweets about Samantha Bee's husband are from April 2017. The hearings were actually in 2016 and the school issue was RESOLVED in Jan 2017. So the post making it sound like a current urgent issue is completely wrong.
He also wasn't arguing against poor black kids at his school.
Everything he said at the hearing:
I was just going to come up and make jokes because everything’s been said, eloquently and not so eloquently.
"I read the newspaper for some reason, I can’t believe it’s still around, but it disheartens me to wake up in the morning and see that the Upper West side is divided. We are not divided, we are absolutely united in wanting what’s best for our children. Whether that means a bigger place for our children to learn, or wanting to keep it here, we are all united in wanting what’s best for them.
That said. When you scroll down and you read rhetoric from some parents that suggests that you are opposed to this move ‘those against this idea are terrified of what it would look like if the school were to be in an area by the projects’ is dishonest at best and slanderous at worst.
So I urge you A, to stop talking to the press. This is a private matter, I think, from our community. This story doesn’t exist without your quotes.
And this goes for both sides too. Because the other quote is just insane from the other side, suggesting that opposing the relocation, that a high-performing school like this could not move to a (inaudible) poor area and not change, shows very little respect for these incredible teachers.
So just be mindful of when you speak, if you’re going to speak to the press, because slandering or saying anything negative about this teaching staff is wrong. And, conversely, painting any opposition as classist or racist is about as bad as it can get."
Its very clear what our alt right propagandist mouthpiece is arguing about, white power.
The two tweets about Samantha Bee's husband are from April 2017. The hearings were actually in 2016 and the school issue was RESOLVED in Jan 2017. So the post making it sound like a current urgent issue is completely wrong.
He also wasn't arguing against poor black kids at his school.
Everything he said at the hearing:
I was just going to come up and make jokes because everything’s been said, eloquently and not so eloquently.
"I read the newspaper for some reason, I can’t believe it’s still around, but it disheartens me to wake up in the morning and see that the Upper West side is divided. We are not divided, we are absolutely united in wanting what’s best for our children. Whether that means a bigger place for our children to learn, or wanting to keep it here, we are all united in wanting what’s best for them.
That said. When you scroll down and you read rhetoric from some parents that suggests that you are opposed to this move ‘those against this idea are terrified of what it would look like if the school were to be in an area by the projects’ is dishonest at best and slanderous at worst.
So I urge you A, to stop talking to the press. This is a private matter, I think, from our community. This story doesn’t exist without your quotes.
And this goes for both sides too. Because the other quote is just insane from the other side, suggesting that opposing the relocation, that a high-performing school like this could not move to a (inaudible) poor area and not change, shows very little respect for these incredible teachers.
So just be mindful of when you speak, if you’re going to speak to the press, because slandering or saying anything negative about this teaching staff is wrong. And, conversely, painting any opposition as classist or racist is about as bad as it can get."
Its very clear what our alt right propagandist mouthpiece is arguing about, white power.
Must remind you guys NZPoke thread... Facts don't apply here.
See @NipponPoke ....he's not bashing other cultures.
He just wants nothing to do with them being in America.
He just wants nothing to do with them being in America.
Don't play dumb.
You know very well who is holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy.
Ahhh, going that route.
Do we need a quick refresher about who is most obsessed with maintaining racial purity? (Even more than the Japanese)
It gets even more discriminatory, xenophobic, and racist:
Aren't you advocating doing exactly the same thing in America in the name of maintaining and preserving a uniquely "American" culture?
Soooo....wouldn't that make the tweet just an outright troll of "you know who" and his confinement rather than a pejorative assessment of any particular foreign embassy's cuisine?
You know, in the interest of not playing dumb...
I don't want cultures that are anti-Western and will not assimilate being in America. If according to modern-day "progressive" thought that makes me a "racist" then so be it.
The hypocrisy of modern-day "progressive" thought is that is a virulently racist movement. Just read the crap they spew about straight white men, particularly straight white Christian men.
I would say that I don't want individual immigrants here that are anti-Western.
I also don't think that Muslim "culture" is, on the whole, anti-Western....certainly not sufficiently so as to justify a bar to all Muslims or persons from particular nations.
It absolutely is grossly anti-Western.
For a modern case study look at pre- and post-1979 Iran.
Complete strawman. Also an attempt to pivot and distract.
Was that a yes?
You advocate policies similar to Japan's and Israel's that you mentioned in order to preserve what some uniquely American culture you believe exists?
We can get to your definition of what the "American culture" actually is later. Maybe....probably not...because you are real slippery on details and straight forward propositions.
Right now, I'm just interested in a straight forward answer as to whether you advocate for similar policies in order to preserve an unique American culture.
Muslim culture is grossly anti-Western.
Therefore no Muslims should be able to immigrate to America because you don't want such cultures in America
Does that accurately represent your position?
I would ask if you've ever spent any real time immersed in the Muslim culture. I promise you its very Anti-western, and the more 'devout' the individual is, the more anti-Western he becomes.
I would respond by asking you the same question.
I would also respond that I wouldn't characterize my familiarity with Muslim Culture as immersive as it comes primarily from interfaith exchanges programs organized by several churches and by faimiliarity with friends and neighbors whom are Muslim.
I would then request a description of your immersion in the Muslim culture, if any.
Then I would ask you the same question I asked the other guy.
Lots of Muslims are "culturally" Muslim. They identify as Muslim if you ask them but they don't take their religion too seriously. The female ones don't cover their heads. I have no problem with these folks moving here.
But yeah, Muslims who take their religion seriously (I.e. view Sharia favorably and have their women wear anything from the hijab to the burka) absolutely should not be able to immigrate here. They will never assimilate. Plus their religion calls for the death penalty for people who leave their religion or are gay. They also treat women like cattle. Why on earth would I want that stone-aged based culture having a presence here? Does having that culture here somehow enrich our lives?
I profess to be confused. In your first paragraph you say that there are lots of "culturally" Muslims that you have no problem with moving here.
Then in your second paragraph you talk again banning people from the Muslim culture.
It kind of sounds like you are in agreement with at least this part of my prior statement...
The only thing I could add is that I have several friends (female and male) that take their Islam beliefs very seriously...a couple of the ladies/girls even wear a hijab. They have all assimilated into Western culture quite willingly and successfully. They are pro-Western too. A bit on the conservative lifestyle side of me, but I could say the same about hardcore Baptist family members. They just have a different interpretation and understanding and belief of Sharia and Islam than you (and ISIS and other radical fundamental Islamists) after seriously contemplating the same.
I have. My dad worked for Saudi Aramco and as a high schooler and college student I spent my summers and Christmas holidays living in Saudi Arabia. I've also spent time in Dubai and Bahrain. These are the most Westernized areas of the "Middle East" and while there is some acceptance of Western culture, its limited. The further away from Dhahran that you traveled the less accepting of Western culture the citizens became. I've seen Mutawai (I think I spelled that right) threaten to arrest my mom simply because she didn't wear a mask (she wore the Abaya {the black robe} and head scarf). Even in the larger cities, you can cause a riot by having a women enter the "men's only" portions of restaurants. For example, the Pizza Hut in downtown Dhahran (at one time the largest in the world) is two stories. The upstairs section is for "families" aka those traveling with women. The main restaurant area is men only. Many restaurants and places of business don't even accept women. Its sad, but the modern day Middle east still treats women as property and why we should be expected to allow that attitude to foster here (hello Sharia Law) is absolutely asinine to me.
Thank you for your answer.
So does this accurately represent your position?
Sorry, don't think I answered your other question. I'd ask this question to all Muslims who choose to migrate here. Will you forsake Sharia Law and choose to live and abide by the laws and customs of the United States? Because those who can't have no business here.
Fair enough.
I could quibble with the fact that I'm unclear on what you might mean by the customs of the United States, but I have NO problem with an oath to abide by the laws.
I do have an issue with a required forsaking of Sharia law personally because I have Muslim friends that have very different interpretations of Sharia law than you and Muslim fundamentalists do. They same way different Christians have a different interpretation of the Bible than other fundamentalist/literalist Christians. They aren't anti-Western at all and have assimilated quite well, respect completely the law, and love the US.
Good talk. Sincerely. thank you.
Its interesting. Did you know that when I went to Saudi, we were allowed 1 family bible. To carry more to the country would imply that we wanted to share the faith and that's strictly forbidden. Maybe I'm jaded, but I find it interesting that we want to open our borders and our culture to those countries who have ZERO interest in returning the favor. Either we share or we don't, but giving up our culture should not be a one-way street.
Whereas I would view the issue as not wanting to be like them.
Also, no one is talking about "open borders" here.
Finally, in my opinion part of the "American" culture is that we are a melting pot.
Realistically, I think immigrants and refugees need a distinctly different view.
Muslims that immigrate to the US are almost always doing so to escape local Islamic laws. I work with two Iranians and a Saudi that immigrated to escape the oppression in their native countries. The Saudi actually completed medical school and residency in Saudi but has to go through the hoops in the US to get her medical license. She's certain she'll be killed by her own family if she returns to Saudi Arabia. I believe her.
Those wanting to immigrate usually wish to live under Western values. Those that are forced here due to violence and no other choice (refugees) are less likely to assimilate because they agree with the laws of the land from which they came.
Muslims that immigrate to the US are almost always doing so to escape local Islamic laws. I work with two Iranians and a Saudi that immigrated to escape the oppression in their native countries. The Saudi actually completed medical school and residency in Saudi but has to go through the hoops in the US to get her medical license. She's certain she'll be killed by her own family if she returns to Saudi Arabia. I believe her.
Those wanting to immigrate usually wish to live under Western values. Those that are forced here due to violence and no other choice (refugees) are less likely to assimilate because they agree with the laws of the land from which they came.
@HanAholeSolo2.0 ...an example of characterization by a Trump supporter in the old left/right binary.
If I called it out, I can almost guarantee (because it's happened more than once previously) that it would be replaced with a different complete binary (Trump v Uniparty or nationalism v Church of multiculturalism).
Imprimis and I then have a good discussion of actual issues and positions that doesn't come down to either one of us being "nationism v Multicuturalism".
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about when referencing binary thought and positions....things like NZ's if you aren't a committed nationalist, you are a rube or an ally of the multiculti cult.
If I called it out, I can almost guarantee (because it's happened more than once previously) that it would be replaced with a different complete binary (Trump v Uniparty or nationalism v Church of multiculturalism).
Imprimis and I then have a good discussion of actual issues and positions that doesn't come down to either one of us being "nationism v Multicuturalism".
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about when referencing binary thought and positions....things like NZ's if you aren't a committed nationalist, you are a rube or an ally of the multiculti cult.
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