The Iranian and Hamas Caucus speaks out about Iran targeting ships
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Yes you are right but dont you think those people should have a home land like jews got one in Israel. Israel also was not a sovereign state but it is now.
I'm not going to debate this with you in detail, but my answer to your question is as follows.
Sure. They can have a homeland. Break off a piece of Jordan, Syria or Lebanon, and call it New Palestine. Give them their own country. Help them get established until they are able to be self sufficient.
Unfortunately, they would not take this offer. They don't want "a homeland" They want Israel, which is now a well established sovereign state.
Even if Israel offered them the Golan Heights, their answer would be no. Not only does their homeland have to come from Israel, it has to include Jerusalem.
Israel was established in response to Nazi genocide of the Jewish people. The land was under British control at the time.
The Palestinians only want something that is unobtainable. Unfortunately a handful of militant leaders will continue to prevent a peaceful resolution from happening.
I dont disagree with you a part of jerusalem should go to them,golan heights is part of syria and could never go the palestinians. As far as palestinians are concerned they should realize that israel is a reality and they should compromise which I think most of the palestinians understand beside one radical party there.
I believe that if two problems are sorted out in this region the radical aspect of islam would lose their control on the minds of the minority they control right now one is israel and palestine and the other is kashmir.
I have been to Israel and even today have friends there.I dont care how these two problems are solved they should be for the benefit of the regular people in this region.
Most of the Israeli I talked to want peace so do all the sane people of this region.
I believe that if two problems are sorted out in this region the radical aspect of islam would lose their control on the minds of the minority they control right now one is israel and palestine and the other is kashmir.
I have been to Israel and even today have friends there.I dont care how these two problems are solved they should be for the benefit of the regular people in this region.
Most of the Israeli I talked to want peace so do all the sane people of this region.
It is a de jure sovereign state that has been recognized by 137 UN members and has non-member observer state status at the UN.
I realize the USA hasn't formally recognized Palestine (unfortunately), however, Palestine operates as a sovereign state and believes it has the right to defend and protect itself. Which it does.
Like you said they have the status of an observer,and unfortunately US does not recognize them.
The problem was almost sorted out during Clinton's time.
When I visited Israel the radical right was not as strong as it is today.
I dont like Netanyahu and I dont like Trump. People I met in Israel were liberals
and that is what the world needs is more liberal people for the bsake of peace.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180913-remembering-the-arafat-rabin-handshake/
The problem was almost sorted out during Clinton's time.
When I visited Israel the radical right was not as strong as it is today.
I dont like Netanyahu and I dont like Trump. People I met in Israel were liberals
and that is what the world needs is more liberal people for the bsake of peace.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180913-remembering-the-arafat-rabin-handshake/
A lot of Israelites want peace. A lot of Palestinians want peace. A lot of Americans want peace.
Unfortunately, those who thrive on continued division and conflict in both Israel and Palestine don't. And the neocons/religious right in this country don't want it either. There is a reason Netanyahu aligns himself with the neocons and religious right in this country. Shared interests.
No. Even if I put on my empathy cap and decide that I understand why they want a portion of Jerusalem, it is completely unrealistic scenario. There is no realistic to divide the city into two parts and make it parts of two different countries. There would be a wall along the border, which would lead to a whole new set of security concerns for the Israel side. It's never going to happen.
No need to divide it. Make it an independent city state open to Israelis and Palestinians.
How many palestinians work in Israel today.
Once the problem is sorted out I think Israel would play a major in the development of the new state. Israels security would not be threatened infact the countries who dont recognize Israel like Pakistan would be trading with Israel the region would be more secure than it is today.
Once the problem is sorted out I think Israel would play a major in the development of the new state. Israels security would not be threatened infact the countries who dont recognize Israel like Pakistan would be trading with Israel the region would be more secure than it is today.
Why can't a part of Syria go to them? Why not a part of Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc?
Everyone expects Israel to give up their land and be OK with it, when none of their neighbors would give any kind of consideration to doing what they want Israel to do.
You want to know something arabs dont like palestinians it is all lip service.
When I talk about a palestinians is not because they are muslims I do it because they are human beings.
Can I ask you a question are you jewish because the protectiveness you are showing is very different than the evangelicals do on this board.
I disagree that it is unrealistic. It can happen if the USA, working with the international community, pushed for it. Made it our stated goal. Or even, as a start, support enforcing UN resolutions 181 and 194 (which have never been revoked) which would designate Jerusalem as an international city.
The idea that "it is never going to happen" is what keeps peace from happening between Israel and Palestine. Such a notion serves the interests of those invested in continuing conflict between these two countries, but it is not an idea the rest of us have to accept.
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Which remains the official position of the UN. Also, this is endorsed by the EU.
In fact, the United States technically has never formally withdrawn its support for this plan.
That doesn't fix the problem. You still have a wall along the Israeli border
It is never going to happen.
Yes. I am Jewish. I am also one of the few liberals on this board.
Edit. You might notice that some of the staunch conservatives are liking my posts on this topic, and that I am mainly at odds with one of the other board liberals ITT. It is almost as if people are thinking for themselves and using logic and critical thinking, rather than just towing the party line.
How about that a muslim and a jew all we need is a liberal hindu and the entire region could have peace.
We just disagree. I think it can happen and I think it should be a stated foreign policy goal of our country. I also believe one day it will be.
These problems need to be sorted out otherwise the whole region could blow up.
Remember saudis and a lot of these arab countries are not very stable,they are kingdoms while their population is educated and dont like the system they are living under.
What does that have to do at all with Israel giving up part of their country to accommodate a new Palestine? Not a damn thing is the answer.
Israel and palestine need to sort this matter out regardless how they do it.
Israel is militarily the strongest country in the mid east with the latest weaponry.
Therefore nobody is going to attack it in conventionall manner.
If the matter is sorted out everybody would have to give up something it is called compromise.
Israel is militarily the strongest country in the mid east with the latest weaponry.
Therefore nobody is going to attack it in conventionall manner.
If the matter is sorted out everybody would have to give up something it is called compromise.
So they aren't giving up anything other than not getting quite as much of Israel as they think they should? That's not giving up anything.
Why should Israel feel compelled to do anything? They didn't steal land from the "Palestinians". The majority of "Palestinians" are happy to live in peace and to work in Israel. The friction is the fault of a small number of militant leaders.
Israel took a lot of land in the last war they can give up some of that. I dont
know what the situation in Israel is right now but when I went there in 1996 or 7
it was quite acceptable.
Israelis also want peace dont listen to only their right wing.
know what the situation in Israel is right now but when I went there in 1996 or 7
it was quite acceptable.
Israelis also want peace dont listen to only their right wing.
