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the dossier / collusion / surveillance stories explained

this is by far the most comprehensive and well sourced timeline of events I have read to date on the relation between all the russian narratives, how the dossier played into creating them and why, and most interestingly, how it has lead to the upcoming ig report.

if you believe strongly in the russian collusion lies, enjoy them cling to them and hold them tight, for soon they will be exposed and you’ll need to find new religious canon to fill their place.

trigger warning. also, attacking the source is not an argument potato. carry on lolz


I laughed at the pisstapes component of it, but dismissed it. Interesting how many elements of that dossier have proven to be true.
 
I laughed at the pisstapes component of it, but dismissed it. Interesting how many elements of that dossier have proven to be true.
What key components are you aware of that have been verified to be true? What is false? Just a nutshell and only if you have time. A link would suffice, I’d just like to read so we are on equal footing to discuss.
 
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Thanks for posting. I’m currently reading the Slate article and I came upon this paragraph:
One clue as to the credibility of the sources in these reports is that Steele shared them with the FBI. The fact that the FBI reportedly sought to work with him and to pay him to develop additional information on the sources suggest that at least some of them were worth taking seriously. At the very least, the FBI will be able to validate the credibility of the sources, and therefore better judge the information. As one recently retired senior intelligence officer with deep experience in espionage investigations quipped, “I assign more credence to the Steele report knowing that the FBI paid him for his research. From my experience, there is nobody more miserly than the FBI. If they were willing to pay Mr. Steele, they must have seen something of real value.”

The author uses the fact that Steele shared the info with the FBI as a pillar to establish credibility. To be fair to the author of the article, I don’t believe the corruption in the upper eschelon of the FBI was known at that time (September 2017). I’ll keep reading, but so far I’m not impressed. And that’s not a jab at you.
 
Thanks for posting. I’m currently reading the Slate article and I came upon this paragraph:


The author uses the fact that Steele shared the info with the FBI as a pillar to establish credibility. To be fair to the author of the article, I don’t believe the corruption in the upper eschelon of the FBI was known at that time (September 2017). I’ll keep reading, but so far I’m not impressed. And that’s not a jab at you.

It is also an article from 4 months ago. So...
 
It is also an article from 4 months ago. So...
Yes. That’s what I meant.

The author closes with a sort of maybe its true, maybe it isn’t kind of attitude. His proof lies in leaked reports to the press that have been previously published. That doesn’t amount to proof, in my opinion. The author uses “reportedly” too often for this to be a statement of fact. He’s just launching his opinion and hoping for the best. This article is just too circumstantial to suit me.

Maybe that’s just me.
 
Thanks for posting. I’m currently reading the Slate article and I came upon this paragraph:


The author uses the fact that Steele shared the info with the FBI as a pillar to establish credibility. To be fair to the author of the article, I don’t believe the corruption in the upper eschelon of the FBI was known at that time (September 2017). I’ll keep reading, but so far I’m not impressed. And that’s not a jab at you.

I'm not defending it and I don't understand why it's so important to debunk. Some of it is implausible, just like the article says. Some of it is plainly accurate, too. Whether the fbi loved it or cussed it is secondary to the basic fact that the author accurately reported some specific facts.
 
I'm not defending it and I don't understand why it's so important to debunk. Some of it is implausible, just like the article says. Some of it is plainly accurate, too. Whether the fbi loved it or cussed it is secondary to the basic fact that the author accurately reported some specific facts.
He relies upon leaked press reports as his proof. But then hedges that by saying “reportedly”. It’s just not the smoking gun I was looking for, that’s all.

I am ready for this shit to hit the fan once and for all. And I don’t care who gets burned, so long as they are guilty.
 
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I’ll keep reading, but so far I’m not impressed. And that’s not a jab at you.
I read it at the time and it in no way "verifies" that anything had been verified. Waste of time. That Slate article was written by John Sipher, a former career CIA guy who is also an Obama/Clinton sycophant (and Clinton donor) and ardent anti-Trumper. Here's a couple of posts from his own website that clearly illustrate his adoration....

https://www.thecipherbrief.com/colu...g-highly-classified-information-is-widespread

https://www.thecipherbrief.com/clinton-security-policy-willing-to-use-the-tools-of-power


And here's an excellent commentary on the article he wrote for Slate...

https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/12/...-makes-clear-it-let-clear-errors-sit-for-two/
 
Can’t believe it hasn’t been leaked.

After the Simpson interview leaks blew up in their face ("So why DIDN'T you guys follow up on the money laundering allegations??") I doubt you'll see the same selective leaks. Don't forget how awful the Nunes stunt was. This will be fun to watch.

Two other problems: The pressure to reveal the source docs will be immense, and the GOP leadership is ass deep in russian money, too.

This is getting really fun. Cue Medic posting more fake news from parody accounts to push the Biff narrative...
 
After the Simpson interview leaks blew up in their face ("So why DIDN'T you guys follow up on the money laundering allegations??") I doubt you'll see the same selective leaks. Don't forget how awful the Nunes stunt was. This will be fun to watch.

Two other problems: The pressure to reveal the source docs will be immense, and the GOP leadership is ass deep in russian money, too.

This is getting really fun. Cue Medic posting more fake news from parody accounts to push the Biff narrative...

don’t trip on your hubris.
 
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and the GOP leadership is ass deep in russian money, too.
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Nothing to see here. It's just that cray cray Nunes dude who blew the whistle from the beginning. This is all Russia Russia Russia and their farmed Twitter Bots. The Democrats voted against the full House viewing the memo because FullofSchiff says they have to protect their secrets and methods because Bots and stuff. Because Russia. And Bots. And whatnot.
 
Nothing to see here. It's just that cray cray Nunes dude who blew the whistle from the beginning. This is all Russia Russia Russia and their farmed Twitter Bots. The Democrats voted against the full House viewing the memo because FullofSchiff says they have to protect their secrets and methods because Bots and stuff. Because Russia. And Bots. And whatnot.

 
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