The deafening karma of "LOCK HER UP!"

[Ponca Dan]

Man, you're arguing with the wrong guy. The public likes their medicare, I posted the data. Maybe you disagree with it, maybe it sucks, maybe it's great, but the point I was making to dumbshit no-helmet is that gubmint health care isn't as awful as he makes it out to be.

I can take every one of these criticisms and go x 100 over what the private health insurance industry pulls off. Yeah... go shop for your policy. Let me know what each policy says on pg. 137, para. 47(IV)(F)(3)(iii) about emergency cardiac surgeries conducted in non-member hospitals WITH a prior angioplasty that was conducted in non-member facilities, blah blah blah. I wish you could hear some stories about people about to go under the knife for emergency surgery and they're frantically trying to confirm it's covered at that hospital, and if so, what %, and then get a bill for $85,000 because it was an specific TYPE of emergency procedure that dog-gonit, wasn't covered at that facility! THey got her with an exception she didn't know to look for! Great, capitalistic system right there.

It's insane what our health care system has become with private insurance leading the way. Hell consumers can't even read their bills.

Cut out the middle man and the consumers get more and the vendors make more. Why do we give an insurer quasi governmental immunity and let them fix health care prices? It's like the damn mafia and nobody can vote for them.

Why do you think "private" health insurance companies act that way? And why do you think they get away with it? I think you're close to the answer by saying they have "quasi governmental immunity." Why do you suppose they are given that immunity? What makes you think a government run health insurance organization would be without even greater immunity? Are you serously saying a fully owned government health organization would have to face voters?

 

[22LR]

No offense but how many Medicare recipients have you dealt with? Having spent ten years in that line of business selling and owning a Insurance Agency my number is well over ten thousand. Believe it or not what works best for you may not work best for others. For full disclosure Supplement IMO are better for people but having dealt with thousands of people over the years I understand they do not work for everyone.

Well of course you think Medicare Advantage is a good deal. You were selling policies.

Out of pocket can break the bank with Medicare Advantage compared to Medigap. Nobody, not even an insurance agent will ever convince me otherwise.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

VA has been very nice to me.

 

[Syskatine]

Why do you think "private" health insurance companies act that way? And why do you think they get away with it? I think you're close to the answer by saying they have "quasi governmental immunity." Why do you suppose they are given that immunity? What makes you think a government run health insurance organization would be without even greater immunity? Are you serously saying a fully owned government health organization would have to face voters?

Congress gave ERISA plans immunity from consequential damages in... 1975ish, I think. There's no meaningful regulation over them. I think they act that way because they're monopolies with tremendous leverage over people's health.

I'm seriously saying politicians leave medicare alone and don't cut it because they'd get crucified at the polls. Bush enacted part C because of political pressure. People will pay for health care, Dan.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Well of course you think Medicare Advantage is a good deal. You were selling policies.

Out of pocket can break the bank with Medicare Advantage compared to Medigap. Nobody, not even an insurance agent will ever convince me otherwise.

LOL, MAs have out of pocket maximums around 4K a year and in most cases for zero premium. You pay your out of pocket maximum in the form of premiums, those on MAs pay theirs if they need healthcare.
Oh and the commissions on MA products is half of those on Supplements.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Congress gave ERISA plans immunity from consequential damages in... 1975ish, I think. There's no meaningful regulation over them. I think they act that way because they're monopolies with tremendous leverage over people's health.

I'm seriously saying politicians leave medicare alone and don't cut it because they'd get crucified at the polls. Bush enacted part C because of political pressure. People will pay for health care, Dan.

How did it happen that quasi-governmental immunity came about? How did it happen that there’s no meaningful regulation? How did they become monopolies? Have you thought through what you want to happen, or it just an emotional desire for things not to be the way they are? What about government owned/controlled health care/insurance that won’t be what we have now on steroids?

 

[22LR]

LOL, MAs have out of pocket maximums around 4K a year and in most cases for zero premium. You pay your out of pocket maximum in the form of premiums, those on MAs pay theirs if they need healthcare.
Oh and the commissions on MA products is half of those on Supplements.

Actually... in-network maximum out of pocket $8300 and out-of-network $12,450.

 

[22LR]

Man, you're arguing with the wrong guy. The public likes their medicare, I posted the data. Maybe you disagree with it, maybe it sucks, maybe it's great, but the point I was making to dumbshit no-helmet is that gubmint health care isn't as awful as he makes it out to be.

I can take every one of these criticisms and go x 100 over what the private health insurance industry pulls off. Yeah... go shop for your policy. Let me know what each policy says on pg. 137, para. 47(IV)(F)(3)(iii) about emergency cardiac surgeries conducted in non-member hospitals WITH a prior angioplasty that was conducted in non-member facilities, blah blah blah. I wish you could hear some stories about people about to go under the knife for emergency surgery and they're frantically trying to confirm it's covered at that hospital, and if so, what %, and then get a bill for $85,000 because it was an specific TYPE of emergency procedure that dog-gonit, wasn't covered at that facility! THey got her with an exception she didn't know to look for! Great, capitalistic system right there.

It's insane what our health care system has become with private insurance leading the way. Hell consumers can't even read their bills.

Cut out the middle man and the consumers get more and the vendors make more. Why do we give an insurer quasi governmental immunity and let them fix health care prices? It's like the damn mafia and nobody can vote for them.

You make some very good points.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Actually... in-network maximum out of pocket $8300 and out-of-network $12,450.

Not in Texas. United Health Care is around 4K.

 

[davidallen]

Not in Texas. United Health Care is around 4K.

BCBS™

 

[2012Bearcat]

Actually... in-network maximum out of pocket $8300 and out-of-network $12,450.

You might want to shop around, a simple ten second Google information is lacking.

The Best Oklahoma Medicare Advantage Plans (2024)

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[22LR]

You might want to shop around, a simple ten second Google information is lacking.

The Best Oklahoma Medicare Advantage Plans (2024)

The best Medicare Advantage plans in Oklahoma will vary based on your needs. MoneyGeek looked at the state’s top-rated plans to help you find your best option.

www.moneygeek.com

No MA for me. It’s inferior.

 

[AC2020]

The toothless horde was screaming "LOCK HER UP" as a political catchphrase so they could [checks notes] elect a criminal?

Fast forward 7 years, and their criminal has charges filed -- and they sure look like they have teeth -- in two jurisdictions with a third one looming.

Has anybody else noted the deafening karma of MAGA wanting their political adversaries locked up, and now they get to watch this pageantry?

Biden gets things done.

 

[Syskatine]

Biden gets things done.

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2016: "LOCK HER UP!"

2023: "Oh, you can't lock up a political opponent."

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

Biden gets things done.

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Why do so many of you not give credit to black people? Kasavubu.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Why do so many of you not give credit to black people? Kasavubu.

Does Kamala claim black,?

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

Does Kamala claim black,?

I've never heard Kamala claim black. Some leftists do. Her father says no. My make A Wish Foundation wish is to exchange DNA documents with Kamala. My DNA ethnicity document comes from Genelex Labs in Seattle. It cost me $600. And yes. I am of Neanderthal descent as are many, many of us.

 

[22LR]

And yes. I am of Neanderthal descent as are many, many of us.

I beat @JimmyBob to it. Lets have some music.