Step Up Oklahoma
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Olympia area. I moved back because of my medical situation after being out of work a month and a half.
Yes...like 2 jobs @ 55-70+ hours a week from March till August injury type “work”.
It was actually democrats in the Oklahoma House that pushed to lower the gross production taxes on O&G to 1%. Republicans are the ones that have introduced multiple bills trying to get it back to 5% or higher and the dems keep crying that it will cost jobs.
Talk to your representative and they will tell you that democrats wanted this in 2014.
Can you cite any factual authority other than “your representative” and a more recent example than 3-4 years ago?
Let me just pull out some quotes from this article from the Dem that was a huge supporter of the 2014 effort to institute 1% tax on horizontal drilling and now has flip flopped and wants to raise the gross production tax to 7% on the same wells.
https://ntknetwork.com/ok-dem-leader-flip-flops-on-energy-taxes-positioning-for-gov-race/
Since publicly announcing his plan to run for governor last month, Democrat House Minority Leader Scott Inman has repeatedly stalled budget negotiations by attempting to increase the state’s oil and gas industry tax. Recently, The Oklahoman editorial board warned that raising this tax “could turn the current state recovery back into a recession.”
However, Inman may only be advocating for an increase because he’s now focused on his run for higher office. In the past, he actually defended the tax, and wrote in a May 2010 op-ed that low taxes were necessary for making Oklahoma attractive oil and gas drillers:
As House Democratic leader in 2014, Inman said his caucus was unable to support a gross production tax on horizontal drillers, later on chastising Republicans for wanting to raise the tax.
House Democratic Leader Scott Inman, Del City, questioned why Republican leaders were backing an increase in the tax, when they usually argue that, “If you want more of something, tax it less.”
Fast forward two years later and Inman flip-flopped, calling for “indexing the gross production tax to the price of oil” in March 2016. He would continue to endorse that position until a week before he announced his gubernatorial bid.
Merely a week before his political announcement last month, Inman started calling for the production to be raised “immediately to 5 percent.” Since then, he has been all over the board when it comes to the tax.
On April 26, 2017, Inman called for increasing the tax to 7 percent for all wells but the very next day he offered up raising the tax from 2 percent to at least 5 percent. The very next week, he called for increasing the tax between 5 percent and 7 percent. That same week, he flipped back to increasing the tax to 5 percent. The Oklahoman editorial board later wrote that Inman suggested a 6 percent increase.
Shhhh don't tell anyone the scumbags from both political parties have their hands in the back pockets of o&g. This isn't a D and R thing.
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Absolutely.
I’m merely asking if the flip flop by Inman is indicative of all Democrats as contended and whether the alleged change of heart is recent or three years old.
There is no doubt that o&g runs this state, and not necessarily in the best interests of is citizens.
I understand that, anything newer than 14?
Seems both sides have flipped on the issue over the past three years.
I guess I cannot speak intelligently about Inman between 2014 and This past Monday. My only contention is that Democrats were the one that wanted 1% gross production tax in 2014 and now are not voting for 2.5% because they think it should now be 7%.
Solid rebuttal @BvillePoker. You win the Lincoln Douglas debate format today.
https://shalemag.com/oklahoma-poised-contest-potential-og-tax-increase-proposals/
“Democratic State Rep. Scott Inman, who is said to be a possible 2018 gubernatorial candidate, and several other Democratic lawmakers are embracing that suggestion. Inman says Oklahoma made a serious mistake by not implementing a higher gross production tax on the oil and gas industry when the rate was up for renewal in 2014. Inman has introduced HB 1632, which imposes a gross production tax graduated scale tied to the price of oil and natural gas.”
“Democratic State Rep. Scott Inman, who is said to be a possible 2018 gubernatorial candidate, and several other Democratic lawmakers are embracing that suggestion. Inman says Oklahoma made a serious mistake by not implementing a higher gross production tax on the oil and gas industry when the rate was up for renewal in 2014. Inman has introduced HB 1632, which imposes a gross production tax graduated scale tied to the price of oil and natural gas.”
I’m curious why some of you think the oil & gas industry should foot the bill for public education. Why O&G? Why not the professional photographers industry? Why not the zillions of manicurists? How about the lawn care industry? Or auto mechanics? Or secretaries? Or shoe stores? Or nurses? Why O&G? Someone please explain.
Oil and gas is the largest industry by a good margin in this state. One quarter of Oklahoma workers are directly or indirectly employed by energy.
The difference between current tax rates of gross production versus a flat 7 percent is 460 million dollars.
https://okpolicy.org/oklahomas-wind-subsidies-dwarfed-subsidies-oil-gas-industry/
So you think one quarter of Oklahoma workers should be forced to pay for education in the state? O&G should be gouged because, what the hell, they’re the deep pockets? I’m trying to get a sense of your moral underpinning for demanding only one industry in the state pay for something everybody wants. Tax the rich? Is that your reasoning?
It is called Step up Oklahoma not Step up Oil & Gas Industry.
You're a living breathing embodiment of why no one will ever take libertarianism seriously. --- people like you controlling the discourse whenever libertarians gather.
If oil and gas is such a profitable industry, they don’t need the subsidies anymore then, right? Do you believe in corporate welfare?
Being profitable and enticing with subsidies are mutually exclusive. There is a reason cities throw money at Amazon.
Now, I don’t believe we need to subsidize O&G production, but “corporate welfare” is a great thing in some cases.
I agree.
I’ve tried to counter him with pragmatic libertarianism, but his sheer dogged persistence has admittedly controlled the discourse here. I don’t have the time or will to repeatedly respond or debate the endless links he posts instead of his own formulations and arguments.
Fair enough.
At the same time, over the past 3-4 years, the Republican position on gpt has changed as well.
Absolutely I agree they should not receive subsidies. Absolutely I reject all government welfare, including corporate welfare.
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I’m unclear it which way I control the discourse. Libertarianism will be taken seriously by some people and rejected by others. You obviously belong in the latter category. Nothing personal from my point of view. One thing I’ve learned is people are going to believe what they believe. As it should be.
The Libertarian Party has very little unified policy vision IMO. That’s a large downfall to say you’re a Libertarian means quite a few different things now.
You’ve got Ponca Dayn Rand and JD. It’s a trip lol.
You’ve got Ponca Dayn Rand and JD. It’s a trip lol.
