Religon of Peace Update #147
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I have metal screws in my knee. I thought maybe they would relax that after 9/11 but it was a no go.
Those are numbers from the George bush and Barack Obama team strategies. Terrible strategies that paid more attention to politics than they did to winning. The joint chiefs of staff could do it if they didn't have to worry about things "going over smoothly."
Just my opinion, but I think its an educated opinion..........the way to stop ISIL IMO is this...........we have an Iraqi Military force that is now well trained, getting better each week and very willing now to take on ISIL. There are some things they cannot do without our support, but they are much better than just a few months ago......we need to use them as we are doing to liberate these towns taken by ISIL. Doing this does more than just retake territory, it gives them confidence that they can defeat ISIL and defend against them in the future. WE need to expand our Air operations. Several months ago, there was a story about the RAF taking out an ISIL operated oil refinery, they used precision munitions and took out a few buildings which rendered the refinery inoperable....IMO when we identify and ISIL operated, or occupied facility that is isolated as this was, we need to use whatever heavy bomber operating at the time in the region, right now its B-52s as the B-1s were pulled out for scheduled upgrades, and instead of taking out a few buildings we need to make the area a crater. A B-52 configured for conventional strike can carry if I remember correctly around 92 Mk-82s (500 lb gravity bomb) a couple buffs would not only take out the facility but it would take them 5 years just to fill the holes! Taking out those convoys last month was huge, the Military wing of ISIL is on the run, but no matter if they defeated or not, we will still be dealing with terror cells, probably forever, and unfortunately, at some point, whether its 5 months or 25 years down the road, they will acquire a WMD, thats when the real scary stuff starts
Look on the bright side. If you blow yourself up you have built in shrapnel to maximize effectiveness.
if I ever become terminally ill that might come into play. Kind of like the last scene of the shootist only with a suicide vest.
I am just saying that this is were the actual disagreement lies. You don't like CowboyUK's interpretation of the polls because it implies a certain set of solutions and he doesn't like yours because it implies a certain set of solutions. Might as well skip to the meat and potatoes.
If you can do 1. and 2. without seeming like you are declaring war on the good muslims that Medic correctly pointed out you are critical to stopping radical Islam, that's fair. But, it is equivalent to an assault rifle ban, in that banning the scary immigrants is satisfying, but not where the problem lies. Most of the incidents this year have been disaffected second generation migrants. I do like restricting travel to places terrorists are trained (KSA, Syria).
3. Also stop funding or supporting Saudi Arabia in anyway.
4. Disagree with the worker visas. Corporations have used this to essentially offshore jobs without the logistic hassle of leaving the worker offshore. Tired of paying your workers good salaries? Lower their salaries until you have a shortage of workers and then apply for work visas.
I personally take a Kantian deontological approach, but recognize that most people operate on a Mill/Utilitarian calculus. I think a serious in depth investigation into the decision to use the atomic bombs that ignored mythology would likely make most Americans a lot less proud.
We were stabbed in the back by feckless leaders. We must now conquer an entire region. Where have I heard this before?
You are right, I don't think it was you that heard it from before. I think it was a German guy or maybe Austrian.
For war? Yes. If there is a white paper on how to be a smarmy know it all on the internet I'm sure they would acquiesce to you as would we all.
They alone know how to occupy the entire middle east for two decades with no casualties. No white paper can contain the wisdom of our military daddies.
"No casualties"
This is why we can't have a conversation. You asked what we should do so we didn't have any pedantry. I laid it out and you mocked with extremes and straw men and comparisons to hitler.
I will say again. The military would know way more than Donald Rumsfeld or Valerie Jarrett about how to knock out Islamic extremists. You dispute that with "military daddies." I guess we are done for this round.
This is why we can't have a conversation. You asked what we should do so we didn't have any pedantry. I laid it out and you mocked with extremes and straw men and comparisons to hitler.
I will say again. The military would know way more than Donald Rumsfeld or Valerie Jarrett about how to knock out Islamic extremists. You dispute that with "military daddies." I guess we are done for this round.
You declared that we could occupy every muslim country in the world for two decades with less casualties than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. That requires a belief in magical military daddies. The only way to deal with such a juvenile fantasy is to mock it.
Every Muslim country in the world? Please quote that or admit you are being ridiculous. You honestly think, in this thread i advocated invading Jordan and Iran and turkey?
Hsh advocates invading all Muslim countries in the world for two decades with nothing more than a paper cut to nato troops or moderate Muslims.
I can't imagine what you think you read when things get complicated.
I can't imagine what you think you read when things get complicated.
Novel idea but not practical. We long ago made our bed in the Middle East. Keeping Saudi Arabia on the tit helps control Iran who everyone knows wants Israel desyroyed. Israel stays on the tit so they don't go all 1948 1967 1973 on the Arab countries again. As we all know, the Shiites in Iran aren't the ones blowing up and shooting people across the world, those are the Saudi type, but Iran supports Hamas and Hezbollah who wage war against Israel. Yemen is now a proxy war shit hole, Syria is a proxy war shit show, and Libya is becoming a terrorist state.
We're really screwed as to who who should and shouldn't support. Good reasons on all sides. Bad outcomes on all sides. It's almost time to just pack up, cut everyone off, and see how the mother of all Mideast wars turns out.
Agree we have to keep Saudi Arabia strong, they , along with Israel are the only two countries we have sold
F-15Es to, along with their Tornadoes from the EU they have the most modern Air Force in the region and really are the only counter balance to Iran..........There are plenty on "moderate" Muslims in the region, they just don't seem to want to get involved against ISIL, unless ISIL brings the fight to them first. Turkey is the one country that really has the ability to do a lot, but is really in a bad spot. Our allies, the Kurds and their PKK faction are Turkey's bitter enemies , so to get involved against ISIL, Turkey has to side with their biggest foe, and they have not been willing to do that. Shooting down that Russian SU-24 was not a smart thing to do and has really made it difficult to get much cooperation with Russia
F-15Es to, along with their Tornadoes from the EU they have the most modern Air Force in the region and really are the only counter balance to Iran..........There are plenty on "moderate" Muslims in the region, they just don't seem to want to get involved against ISIL, unless ISIL brings the fight to them first. Turkey is the one country that really has the ability to do a lot, but is really in a bad spot. Our allies, the Kurds and their PKK faction are Turkey's bitter enemies , so to get involved against ISIL, Turkey has to side with their biggest foe, and they have not been willing to do that. Shooting down that Russian SU-24 was not a smart thing to do and has really made it difficult to get much cooperation with Russia
I certainly agree with that UK. Some fairly secular countries exist in the ME. Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait. The US leadership has done a terrible job at picking sides. Hussein was a turd but kept extemists off their grid. Libya was doing OK until we bombed the crap out of them and helped overthrow their government. Syria is a shit show. Egypt almost became a shit show. Turkey is on its way unfortunately.
Those secular countries are providing a lot more help than the media advertises.
Those secular countries are providing a lot more help than the media advertises.
Surely Shirley, you can't be serious? Relying on the "pseudo-semi-getting-ready" Iraqi squirrels, is like believing the ridiculous horseshit you play trying to beat down ANY poster who dares question your board omnipotence. This one's for you:
I was not here to bash anyone, just express my opinion. Saying that, I was in a position for many years dealing with this part of the world, and had access to information that I would think probably no one else on these boards had ever had. It's very complicated, and there are a lot of bad Muslims out there, but there are also a lot of good ones. I will leave it all at that
Do you count Turkey's government post-coup as secular?
"Send in 1 million nato troops, set up bases and rule their governments in a secular fashion for a couple of decades. Set up uncensored internet and push our shallow western commercialism."
I offered to let you estimate the casualties for this 20 year occupation, but you replied with: Those are numbers from the George bush and Barack Obama team strategies. Terrible strategies that paid more attention to politics than they did to winning. The joint chiefs of staff could do it if they didn't have to worry about things "going over smoothly."
Which would indicate you think it would be less than Afghanistan/Iraq.
The same reason so many educated people think trump said Mexicans were rapists.
And believe his comment on Russia finding Hildebitch's 30,000 email was encouraging hacking into a server which doesn't exist and was wiped clean before going to the boneyard notwithstanding that several top Obama administration intelligence officials have testified they feel certain that Russia, China and several other countries already hacked into and retrieved every byte of data on the server before it was scrubbed.
Handy running list on this very topic.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
White Christians were worse 500 years ago. You are a bigot for posting those facts.
