Proud of My President
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America has not used napalm for decades, and the international community took steps to eliminate its use, even if not entirely...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Certain_Conventional_Weapons
We have enough strength in modern conventional weapons to supersede the use of incendiary weapons.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Certain_Conventional_Weapons
We have enough strength in modern conventional weapons to supersede the use of incendiary weapons.
Consider this (nukes)...
“Little Boy” that we dropped on Hiroshima had a yield of 15 kilotons of TNT...
The W78 thermonuclear warhead (our most common on land-based ICBMs) has a yield of around 335-350 kilotons.
“Little Boy” that we dropped on Hiroshima had a yield of 15 kilotons of TNT...
The W78 thermonuclear warhead (our most common on land-based ICBMs) has a yield of around 335-350 kilotons.
So your sources that align with your political views are accurate, and everything else is wrong? Yet you are suspicious of what we are “spoon fed”, but not when you are spoon fed with your baby food?
My dad took parachute training and had his final invasion debriefing, if those bombs had not been dropped we were invading Japan. My dad was told to expect to invade soon, within a week. My dad lived it, guess he lied for the military industrial complex.
Matter of fact, there would have been more money to make by not dropping the bomb.
There is little reason for us to argue the point. Neither of us is likely to change his mind.
I agree...they dropped the first bomb about 3 or 4 days after my dad's final invasion briefing. I remember this because he made it clear, dropping the bomb saved his life, no ifs or butts about it.
The US, at the time, had little conventional means to effectively invade Japan. Nukes were a decision made as a viewed last resort.
Guadalcanal, though we “won”, resulted in much of a Pyrrhic victory - 7,100 dead, 29 lost ships, more than 600 lost aircraft...we knew we couldn’t win against a garrisoned Japan.
Today’s weapons ensure much more decisive success for us. We have the ability and technology to inflict the maximum margin of victory conventionally.
Guadalcanal, though we “won”, resulted in much of a Pyrrhic victory - 7,100 dead, 29 lost ships, more than 600 lost aircraft...we knew we couldn’t win against a garrisoned Japan.
Today’s weapons ensure much more decisive success for us. We have the ability and technology to inflict the maximum margin of victory conventionally.
It’s not about you. Keep arguing as to convince us of your point. You have no idea how many people read here that you may inspire with a great argument.
OK, Cliff Notes. Japan was beaten and they knew it. They diplomatically reached out to the US to discuss surrender. Their only demand was that they keep the emperor, who was culturally viewed as a divine character. The US refused, said complete surrender was all they would accept, no exceptions. At the same time Russia was announcing they were going to enter the fray. The last thing Truman’s administration wanted was Russia’s “help.” They knew when the war was over Russia would be the next enemy (governments always have to have foreign enemies, don’t you see). So they rushed the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The threat to invade Japan was basically a ruse to rattle Japan. They no more wanted to invade than Japan wanted them to. They knew they didn’t have to invade. Japan was cooked, completely exhausted, domestically suffering horribly from the naval blockade. It was just a matter of time before they capitulated. Russia’s intentions were of grave concern. The Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs as well as the WWII hero Dwight Eisenhower told Truman not to do it. He did it anyway. He calculated he could claim he saved American lives by dropping the bombs. He calculated the American public would accept his war crime if he could persuade them he had saved American lives. His administration cooked up the “spin” and, with the help of a fawning media they indoctrinated the public to the point that 60 years later people believe their government did the only honorable thing it could. End of Cliff Notes.
Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t respond to your question about reports of casualties. Hell, man, I read so much stuff I don’t know where I saw that. I’ll see if I can find where I read it. In the meantime feel free to discount my claim.
If Japan had not committed a war crime by attacking Pearl Harbor with no official declaration of war, maybe the issue of bombing or not bombing Japan would have been moot. They started it.
They started it (with a little push from us). The attack on Pearl Harbior was unconscionable and cowardly. Their government was responsible, not the elderly and women and children that comprised a large portion of Hiroshima. Their government leaders deserved to be hanged. But the civilians of Nagasaki did not deserve to be murdered in such a callous and cowardly way. They had no say in what their government did. Those bombs should never have been dropped. And they didn’t have to be. Japan was suing for peace. They had surrendered for all practical purposes. Ironically after we dropped the bombs we told them they could keep their emperor after all.
Was Pearl Harbor really out of the blue?
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-freezes-japanese-assets
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-freezes-japanese-assets
