And of Israel as it has become. Interesting perspective.
Predicting The Collapse Of Zionism
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Ilan Pappé - Wikipedia
Anything in particular about what he wrote that you take issue with?
So is predicting the collapse of Jew-hater Dan in his driveway.
I didn’t read it. It’s not worth my time to keep reading your tripe.
How about you? Did you find anything he wrote that you found to be in error?
That’s fair. You absolutely should comment on an article you didn’t read.
Not so much a comment on the article as it is a comment on you. You’ve become the latest incarnation of “the boy who cried Wolf!”
On the same topic here’s an article about how the secular Jews are getting out of Dodge while the getting is good.
forward.com
'The war is the last straw': Secular Israelis fed up with politics and prices think about leaving
For some Israelis, the toll of political turmoil, war and rising costs of living has prompted them to consider life abroad.
forward.com
C'mon Dan. Just admit you're OK with rape, torture, and murder -- as long as it's only Jews being raped, tortured, and murdered.
The Forward. 🤣On the same topic here’s an article about how the secular Jews are getting out of Dodge while the getting is good.
'The war is the last straw': Secular Israelis fed up with politics and prices think about leaving
For some Israelis, the toll of political turmoil, war and rising costs of living has prompted them to consider life abroad.
Right up there with Ha'aretz regarding impartiality. 😂
Like it or not, the take-over of the Middle East by Islamic forces is nearly complete. Predicting the failure of the Israeli experiment isn't really earth shattering.
With autonomous drones being very cheap and almost impossible to defend against, it's only a matter of time for 100,000's of kamakazi drones armed with grenades swarming Israeli "settlements".
The Europeans I've talked with all fully assume Netanyahu is jailed for crimes against humanity.
This post isn't "anti" or "pro" anything, just an assessment of the pickle Israel is in. Basically they're fvcked.
- Lebanon was slight majority Christian in 1900, now is 38% Christian and trending downward -
- Iraq, Jordan, - virtually all Christians have been driven out
- Egypt - virtually no Christians remaining (300 massacred in a Coptic church just a few years ago)
- Iran - never much Christian or Jewish population to begin with
- Across the Red Sea the entire African landscape has made little progress in hundreds of years, which is rife country for Islamic expansion.
With autonomous drones being very cheap and almost impossible to defend against, it's only a matter of time for 100,000's of kamakazi drones armed with grenades swarming Israeli "settlements".
The Europeans I've talked with all fully assume Netanyahu is jailed for crimes against humanity.
This post isn't "anti" or "pro" anything, just an assessment of the pickle Israel is in. Basically they're fvcked.
This post is a stupefying display of historical ignorance.
I would ask that you read the article and rebut the argument therein, assuming, of course, if you can.
This is pretty interesting stuff...
One camp can be termed the ‘State of Israel’. It comprises more secular, liberal and mostly but not exclusively middle-class European Jews and their descendants, who were instrumental in establishing the state in 1948 and remained hegemonic within it until the end of the last century. Make no mistake, their advocacy of ‘liberal democratic values’ does not affect their commitment to the apartheid system which is imposed, in various ways, on all Palestinians living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Their basic wish is for Jewish citizens to live in a democratic and pluralist society from which Arabs are excluded.
The other camp is the ‘State of Judea’, which developed among the settlers of the occupied West Bank. It enjoys increasing levels of support within the country and constitutes the electoral base that secured Netanyahu’s victory in the November 2022 elections. Its influence in the upper echelons of the Israeli army and security services is growing exponentially. The State of Judea wants Israel to become a theocracy that stretches over the entirety of historical Palestine. To achieve this, it is determined to reduce the number of Palestinians to a bare minimum, and it is contemplating the construction of a Third Temple in place of al-Aqsa. Its members believe this will enable them to renew the golden era of the Biblical Kingdoms. For them, secular Jews are as heretical as the Palestinians if they refuse to join in this endeavour.
- Faction A wants Apartheid, but isn't focused on ethnic cleansing.
- This seems like we Israel has been doing for the most part.
- Faction B wants non-Jews cleansed from the landscape.
- Recent West Bank actions. Seems Faction B is currently in power, but for how long...
- ... at least according to the author.
One camp can be termed the ‘State of Israel’. It comprises more secular, liberal and mostly but not exclusively middle-class European Jews and their descendants, who were instrumental in establishing the state in 1948 and remained hegemonic within it until the end of the last century. Make no mistake, their advocacy of ‘liberal democratic values’ does not affect their commitment to the apartheid system which is imposed, in various ways, on all Palestinians living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Their basic wish is for Jewish citizens to live in a democratic and pluralist society from which Arabs are excluded.
The other camp is the ‘State of Judea’, which developed among the settlers of the occupied West Bank. It enjoys increasing levels of support within the country and constitutes the electoral base that secured Netanyahu’s victory in the November 2022 elections. Its influence in the upper echelons of the Israeli army and security services is growing exponentially. The State of Judea wants Israel to become a theocracy that stretches over the entirety of historical Palestine. To achieve this, it is determined to reduce the number of Palestinians to a bare minimum, and it is contemplating the construction of a Third Temple in place of al-Aqsa. Its members believe this will enable them to renew the golden era of the Biblical Kingdoms. For them, secular Jews are as heretical as the Palestinians if they refuse to join in this endeavour.
No political slant there! 🙄🙄🙄And of Israel as it has become. Interesting perspective.
It is a bit weird - an ethical Zionist. Not the propaganda we see much of here in the US historically. Perhaps not as mythical a unicorn as most 'Mericans think.
Of course there's a political slant. That's why I linked to it, so those of you who disagree can explain what you find wrong with what is written.
