And there, folks, you have the Democrat talking points on full display accusing Kennedy of being a closet Republican and that’s why Democrat voters should shy away from him. Republican talking points will insist he’s trying to undermine their candidate to insure Biden wins. My hope is voters are so sick of being lied to by their team’s leadership, regardless of which party it is, they will assert their independence and tell the liars to pound sand.
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In your original response to @OSUMatFan, did you question, disagree, or attack his claim that Fake Jr. is being funded by big money Republicans?
Did you?
Nope. And you know why. Because even you know the dang truth.
With that said, I never claimed Fake Jr. is a closeted Republican. Not once. Nor did @OSUMatFan. Those are your words. I just agreed with MatFan that he is being funded by big money Republicans, which he is. Fake Jr. is also listening to them and doing what they want him to do. It is rather obvious Dan and that is why you originally didn't challenge the point.
There is a reason the Kennedy family is essentially disowning one of their own right now. And it has nothing to do with the Kennedys wanting to remain Democratic royalty. lol, dang Dan, the Kennedys aren't stupid. Wake up.
Tough how? Tough like joining with the NeoCon war mongers into using NATO to provoke the invasion and then pretending the US will be Superman who swoops in to protect the weak, the weak the NeoCons had spent almost a decade arming and training in preparation for the invasion? No, I don’t think either JFK or RFK would be that kind of tough, especially after JFK saw the NeoCon/CIA handwriting on the wall after the Cuban debacle. Jr’s intent on bringing the war to a swift end would be called soft only to a NeoCon bloodthirsty war monger or a sycophant that cheers all forms of martial devastation.
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Did Russia invade a sovereign democratic country that is our ally?
So again, the questions we both know you won't answer because you can't . . . (prove me wrong and actually provide a reason coherent response for once lol) . . .
If JFK or RFK was alive today and President, would either be tough with Putin and standing in opposition to his illegal invasion of a sovereign democratic country? Tough as you (now) claim they were in fighting communism or soft like Jr. wants to be with Putin?
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Tough like opposing the illegal invasion of a sovereign democratic country by Putin and supporting the Ukrainian people.
You really think JFK and RFK would be defending Putin and his interests? Really?
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Hell no they wouldn't be. They both would be doing the exact same thing most Democrats and Republicans are doing. And the historical record of how they dealt with men they perceived to be like Putin proves this. JFK had his CIA trying to invent ways to secretly assassinate Castro lol. Yet, you want us to believe JFK would be embracing and cheering Putin over all of our allies like Fake Jr. is doing?🙄
Seriously Dan. Drop the charade.
There it is. The Putin defense. Everyone else but Putin forced Putin to invade Ukraine. Not Putin though. Not the man who made the decision.
It was everyone else's fault. Especially those mean bad neocon war mongers that Dan is obsessed with (while defending in Putin a man that is exactly like those neocons).
How did JFK see the "neocon/CIA" handwriting on the wall after the Bay of Pigs?
Did JFK stop plans for another covert invasion of Cuba? Did JFK stop considerations of how to secretly assassinate Castro? Nope. In fact, he continue to embrace both.
You are seriously living in a fantasy world when it comes to who JFK and RFK were Dan. Either that or you know very well what they were and are just trying to fool enough people into voting for Fake Jr. so as to help out the Republican Party's interest. I haven't figured out which one it is for you yet. You will show your hand eventually, of that I have no doubt.
I really think neither JFK nor RFK would have participated in the NeoCon plan to provoke the invasion, and therefore there would have been no invasion to begin with. JFK got snookered by the Cuban invasion and would not have let it happen again. His distrust and disgust with the “intelligence community” is why they killed him and his brother in the first place.
Any definition of communism yet?
If JFK or RFK was alive today and President, would either be tough with Putin and standing in opposition to his illegal invasion of a sovereign democratic country? Tough as you (now) claim they were in fighting communism or soft like Jr. wants to be with Putin?
Just ask @OUSOONER67 a question and watch him squirm and flail around. Poor guy, I almost feel sorry for him and how easy he makes this. Almost lol.
There was no neocon plan to proke an invasion. That is conspiracy bs. Drop the bs Dan, that junk doesn't work with people who have a brain and know how to think apart from propaganda.
Putin invaded Ukraine. He is to blame for the invasion along with those who supported his invasion. Just as George W. Bush was responsible for the invasion of Iraq, along with those who supported him. Wake up and think for a moment. Seriously, actually think and reason in reality for once.
As for JFK and RFK, both men were huge supporters of NATO. JFK was a hawk who got us even more deeply involved in Vietnam. RFK became less of a hawk later in his political career, but he never placed the interest of a tyrant over our country's own interests. Neither men would be defending Putin today or standing with him. They both would be doing exactly what President Biden is doing. Exactly the same.
And this is one reason Fake Jr. doesn't have the support of his own family. Because he has very little in common with JFK, RFK, Ted Kennedy, and every other Kennedy!
Does that tattoo of JFK you got on yer ass 60 years ago still look the same? Just asking for an old friend who flipped several years ago. I can forward her number if yer interested.
Then why did JFK continue to authorize the CIA to come up with ways to covertly assassinated Castro or plan another covert invasion? Why was RFK involved in this too?
Only after Khrushchev backed JFK into a corner on Cuba did JFK finally calm down (somewhat) about getting rid of Castro.
JFK had no distrust or disgust of the intelligence community, no more so than any President does. That is a lie you have been fed by conspiracy theorists who misrepresent history. Dang, JFK used the intelligence community throughout his presidency. Even to help cover up his numerous personal sexual affairs!
And the intelligence community didn't kill him or RFK. Lee Harvey Oswald, a crazy loner who fancied himself a radical Marxist and wanted to be somebody, killed JFK. And Sirhan Sirhan killed RFK because of RFK's support of Israel.
Seriously, you need to stop believing lies and conspiracy bs. Study some actual history for once.
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May I suggest a couple more Ritalin tabs? You know, to keep it going. Yer on a roll. 👍
I'm actually not a big fan of JFK. I think the guy was rather repulsive as a human being, a product of his elitist upbringing, and a rather weak politician. JFK just greatly benefited from the fake image his political handlers created for him.
But just because I don't really like JFK doesn't mean I'm going to agree with lies and misconceptions about him from right-wing nutjobs like Dan. Or pawns like Fake Jr.
btw, I much more admire RFK, especially the later version of RFK (early Bobby I have some concerns with, but Bobby matured into a wise liberal politician). I think this nation was robbed of a potential great President in 1968 when Sirhan assassinated RFK. I'm not absolutely sure RFK could have been elected in 1968 had he lived, but I think he would have been a much better President than JFK ever was.
Yes, I am a Democrat. You just figuring this out lol?
But again, I'm not a big fan of JFK. There are many other Democratic liberals/progressives from the 1960s that I like and admire more.
I like and admire LBJ much more than I do JFK. LBJ got stuff done. He actually accomplished great political achievements that improved our country and benefited generations of Americans. Where JFK talked a good game but ultimately failed, LBJ succeeded.
However, LBJ seriously screwed up in Vietnam (just as JFK did) and it is a black mark on his political legacy. Which is unfortunate, because domestically LBJ did a lot of good and was a consequential President. But all of that gets overshadowed by his costly blunder in Vietnam.
Now, yer take on yer current admin? Enlighten us brother.
Mixed feelings. There are many things President Biden has done I support, but I also don't think he has gone far enough sometimes. I do understand the political constraints he deals with, but I still think he could do more if he really wanted to. He has a accomplished more than I expected, so I will give him credit for that. I also generally support his foreign policy, especially his opposition to Putin's aggression and his support of Ukrainian sovereignty.
I do have concerns about the President's age and especially how it is being handled politically. I'm not an ageist (I'd vote for Bernie Sanders in 2024 over Biden if he'd run, and Sanders is 82 lol). However, I don't like the way the President's age is being handled politically and have concerns about his health. The latter illustrates the reason for the former.
If I had a legitimate progressive candidate to vote for in the primaries, I'd vote for him or her. But as it looks right now, I'm not going to get that. And I will definitely support President Biden if he is the nominee over any of the Republican candidates currently running.
I fully support Vice President Harris. She is currently in a thankless job though and is dealing with what all Vice Presidents deal with. If President Biden decided to not seek re-election, she would be one of my top choices for the nomination.
Explains a lot. Good luck. 🤣
Again, I'm a progressive and a Democrat. I'm not a right-winger and I'm definitely not an angry hateful right-winger.
Seriously, are you just figuring this out lol?
You gotta do you Jethro. Keep it up my man. 👍
Considering Ukraine and Cuba are fairly similar I think we know how and what JFK would have handled Ukraine.
Obviously you are of the opinion Biden has been tough on Putin but if Biden is/was so tough on Putin why did he invade Ukraine? Come to think of it why did Putin invade Crimea when Obama was in office. If only there was a common denominator we could put our finger on.
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How are Ukraine and Cuba fairly similar in your opinion?
Because being tough (as it relates to international affairs ) on another world leader doesn't automatically mean that leader isn't going to do something you don't want him/her to do. In fact, it often means the complete opposite. Have you seriously learned nothing from history?
You can't control leaders like Putin. All you can do is be tough with him, draw the lines clearly, don't back down, and don't sell our your own country's (and allies) national interests in the face of a propaganda campaign. A desperate propaganda campaign at that.
Yeah, neither were Trump who was doing Putin's bidding for him. Neither were attacking or seeking to weaken NATO, attacking our allies, opposing his own country's national interest, and attempting to blackmail/extort an ally for his own personal political gain.If only there was a common denominator we could put our finger on.
There is a definitely a common denominator. Putin doesn't have to act or do anything stupid when he has a like-minded authoritarian or a weak pawn in the White House.
As always Bearcat, wake up!
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Do you honestly believe what you post or are you trolling for your jollies?
Do you honestly not see similarities in Ukraine and Cuba? You know maybe the whole missiles 90 miles from the US border thing.
It amazes me just how well the CCP/Dim Propaganda works they all Parrot the same things over and over all over Social Media. Amazing but pathetic at the same time.
I never stated I didn't see similarities in Ukraine and Cuba. I simply asked you to articulate how you believe Ukraine and Cuba are similar.
So, again, how are Ukraine and Cuba fairly similar in your opinion?
Says the poster who consistently calls Democrats "communists" on this board without even being able to define what a communist is
Parroting the same thing about Democrats over and over again, even something that was said about Democrats (JFK and RFK) in the 1960s.
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You are an absolute clown 67. Yeah, David is still laughing at you on the other side.
Let us know when you figure out what a communist actually is.
Calm down @okcpokefan12 lol. Maybe one day actually read the posts before you respond. I don't need one of your silly notifications every second just because you have mental issues.
Or maybe just stick with posting under your real screen name and stop logging into another one to make yourself feel better.
That insecure huh?🤣🤣
Or maybe just stick with posting under your real screen name and stop logging into another one to make yourself feel better.
That insecure huh?🤣🤣
