North Carolina

[Clinton Scott]

North Carolina keeps public from seeing police camera videos

Posted: Mon 4:38 PM, Jul 11, 2016

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory has signed a bill excluding police video recordings from being scrutinized as public records despite opposition from civil liberties groups, which say it will deepen divides in communities already reeling from the killings by police of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota.

McCrory on Monday signed the state's first law detailing who can view and obtain footage from body cameras and dashboard cameras.

The law says the footage is neither public record nor a personnel record. It allows the video's subject or their representative to ask to view recordings. A law enforcement agency could withhold access for reasons such as a continued investigation or safety concerns. A requester can go to court if an agency denies the request.

The law goes into effect Oct. 1.

 

[Medic007]

North Carolina keeps public from seeing police camera videos

Posted: Mon 4:38 PM, Jul 11, 2016

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory has signed a bill excluding police video recordings from being scrutinized as public records despite opposition from civil liberties groups, which say it will deepen divides in communities already reeling from the killings by police of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota.

McCrory on Monday signed the state's first law detailing who can view and obtain footage from body cameras and dashboard cameras.

The law says the footage is neither public record nor a personnel record. It allows the video's subject or their representative to ask to view recordings. A law enforcement agency could withhold access for reasons such as a continued investigation or safety concerns. A requester can go to court if an agency denies the request.

The law goes into effect Oct. 1.

You do realize that body cameras record much more than shootings, right? Most recordings aren't anything anybody wants public, including their medical histories, relationship problems, personal problems, etc.

This isn't a law to protect law enforcement. It's a law to protect those who are contacted by law enforcement.

Sigh. You're a sycophant liberal of the syskatine and CCup type. It's all about the headline and not the content. As CCup would say, "It's about the optics."

 

[Clinton Scott]

Well since these cams are supposed to be PUBLIC RECORDS, this is illegal.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

Well since these cams are supposed to be PUBLIC RECORDS, this is illegal.

Not that I care what North Carolina is doing but just for clarification. Is it illegal for:

A) the state legislature to draft a bill?
B) their governor to sign it into law?
C) both?
D) the state to change the law?
E) the state of NC to self-govern period?

Spoiler: Alert

The correct answer is:

F) None of the above - Clinton disagrees with the law so therefore it must be illegal

Spoiler: Alert Spoiler

Either that or Clinton needs to go back to junior high and take a basic civics course.

 

[poke2001]

 

[Medic007]

Well since these cams are supposed to be PUBLIC RECORDS, this is illegal.

You don't get out much do you?

 

[Headhunter]

Well since these cams are supposed to be PUBLIC RECORDS, this is illegal.

There is no law requiring body cams on police so I doubt there is anything mandating that they be public.

I think they should but that doesn't mean states can't make their own decision regarding public vs. private.

 

[Clinton Scott]

You republicans are dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to personal freedoms and liberties...got it. The public outrage over this will send every politician in NC packing. They ain't happy, folks.

You are a moron if you think this a good idea.

 

[MegaPoke]

You republicans are dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to personal freedoms and liberties...got it. The public outrage over this will send every politician in NC packing. They ain't happy, folks.

You are a moron if you think this a good idea.

I believe they are arguing in favor of freedom and personal liberty. Are they not?

 

[Clinton Scott]

I believe they are arguing in favor of freedom and personal liberty. Are they not?

The opponents of this bill are, yes. Politicians claim this is to protect officers...BS. It's just more #BlueSilence.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Well since these cams are supposed to be PUBLIC RECORDS, this is illegal.

You are a moron if you think this a good idea.

These two statements are world's apart and mutually exclusive. Your first statement is idiotic and you got called on it. Your second one is a debatable opinion.

 

[Clinton Scott]

These two statements are world's apart and mutually exclusive. Your first statement is idiotic and you got called on it. Your second one is a debatable opinion.

You actually think this law will stand up to opposition? It's not...people are furious.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I never said any personal opinion on the subject. I just said that confligrating your two statements was incorrecthe in their association.

 

[Clinton Scott]

So you support blue silence. Got it.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

So you support blue silence. Got it.

I see the above reply coming from @Ostatedchi

 

[squeak]

I don't like state-sponsored surveillance cameras. I would also be surprised if the ACLU was one of those civil liberties groups.

It also sounds like there is a method to obtaining the video footage.

 

[Clinton Scott]

 

[Medic007]

You actually think this law will stand up to opposition? It's not...people are furious.

You're apparently completely unaware of policy regarding body cam footage across the country. Is this just the latest talking point from Huffpo? Do you even realize that normal folks have long had privacy concerns about police video recordings?

 

[Ostatedchi]

I see the above reply coming from @Ostatedchi

Yeah, back he goes on the ignore list. I'm not wasting my time with trolls or idiots. I'm not sure which on he is.

 

[Clinton Scott]

You're apparently completely unaware of policy regarding body cam footage across the country. Is this just the latest talking point from Huffpo? Do you even realize that normal folks have long had privacy concerns about police video recordings?

That doesn't matter. It's an attempt to shield police from impropriety, and you can't deny it.

 

[Clinton Scott]

Yeah, back he goes on the ignore list. I'm not wasting my time with trolls or idiots. I'm not sure which on he is.

You're a weakling then...I've never ignored anyone.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

That doesn't matter. It's an attempt to shield police from impropriety, and you can't deny it.

So there's no chance what so ever that it's to ensure they receive due process instead of the public indictments without facts we see so often today?

 

[Clinton Scott]

The governor said it would promote "transparency". It does nothing of the sort

 

[Medic007]

The governor said it would promote "transparency". It does nothing of the sort

Have you bothered to read the actual legislation or are the talking points all you've bothered with? You're sure hysterical about something that you appear to have limited knowledge of.

 

[Clinton Scott]

Have you bothered to read the actual legislation or are the talking points all you've bothered with? You're sure hysterical about something that you appear to have limited knowledge of.

Yes I did. But I also know that courts will side with cops almost blindly. it's the way it is, and people don't like it, man. Sack up and admit it

 

[squeak]

View embedded media

Just when you think they turn the corner they pull something like this.

 

[Medic007]

Yes I did. But I also know that courts will side with cops almost blindly. it's the way it is, and people don't like it, man. Sack up and admit it

And how do you "know" the courts will sode with the cops "almost blindly?"

Do you know what the law regarding body cam video in your state are? Did you know that prior to this NC legislation there was no standard and agencies had their own policies? Did you know that there was no way to get any video from an agency unless they volunteered it? Did you know that prior to this legislation, agencies classified video as "personnel files" which are nearly impossible for anyone to access? There is also no law in NC that requiresthe use of body cameras so all agencies have to do is not use them.

Seriously why the panic? There is now state law that provides something that wasn't there before. I get that the left doesn't care about individual rights, but sometimes the rights of the people trump the sadistic "needs" of the media and social justice warriors.

If you actually read the bill, what else is in it besides the body camera stuff?

 

[Clinton Scott]

Dashboard cams

 

[Clinton Scott]

You don't promote transparency to the public by making it difficult for the PUBLIC to see what's going on. It ain't that hard man.

 

[Medic007]

You don't promote transparency to the public by making it difficult for the PUBLIC to see what's going on. It ain't that hard man.

There wasn't any sort of transparency prior to the new law. Gotta start someplace. And while dashcam video was included, that's not what I was referring to. There's quite a bit in there that has nothing to do with police video.

 

[Headhunter]

Yes I did. But I also know that courts will side with cops almost blindly. it's the way it is, and people don't like it, man. Sack up and admit it

So when the police show up at your home because the gerbil got stuck and your partner called 911, are you going to be okay with the public getting access to the video, taken in your home, of you being hauled off to the hospital ass up on a gurney?

 

[Clinton Scott]

So when the police show up at your home because the gerbil got stuck and your partner called 911, are you going to be okay with the public getting access to the video, taken in your home, of you being hauled off to the hospital ass up on a gurney?

Grow up

 

[squeak]

Grow up

It's a valid question.

What about tape interrogations? Are those available to the public? I'd like to know exactly what police video, today, is and isn't available to the public. Also, should anyone be able to access any police video anytime? Is that the end game?

 

[Headhunter]

Grow up

This is rich coming from someone who uses the Pee Wee Herman insult book when they don't like something.