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No Bernie, Denmark is Not a Socialist Utopia

Never said anything about cutting either program but I did say both are bankrupting the country. Whether you want to admit it or not both programs will need to either face major reforms or receive more funding to keep them viable in the future. As it is they are both unsustainable according to the governments own reports.
The only reform necessary is either lift payroll tax caps or allow funding from the general budget. The later which would make them indefinitely sustainable
But since you don't want to cut SSI or Medicare I'd love to hear your proposal.

I suspect the reason Democrats are pushing for Medicare for All is to cover up the fact Medicare is going broke and they do not want to admit it or deal with it.
Yeah thats the ticket
 
The only reform necessary is either lift payroll tax caps or allow funding from the general budget. The later which would make them indefinitely sustainable
But since you don't want to cut SSI or Medicare I'd love to hear your proposal.

Yeah thats the ticket

Imagine that, a liberal jumps to raising taxes to solve the problem they created. SMFH
Funding out of the general budget takes away from other areas that are just as or more important the Medicare or SS. What are you willing to cut to make up what you take out of the general budget? Being an American hating liberal the only thing you will want to cut is the military budget.
As to what my solution would be is to increase the age of retirement for people that are now 50 and under to 70 for both SS and Medicare. I would also cease Social Security payments to those that make more than say 500K a year in taxable income. I would also require people to have paid into the system for 20 years before they were eligible for a penny.
 
Imagine that, a liberal jumps to raising taxes to solve the problem they created. SMFH
Again feel free to send your proposals to cut the programs to Trump2020

Funding out of the general budget takes away from other areas that are just as or more important the Medicare or SS. What are you willing to cut to make up what you take out of the general budget? Being an American hating liberal the only thing you will want to cut is the military budget.
You might be surprised to learn that nothing is required to be cut.

As to what my solution would be is to increase the age of retirement for people that are now 50 and under to 70 for both SS and Medicare. I would also cease Social Security payments to those that make more than say 500K a year in taxable income. I would also require people to have paid into the system for 20 years before they were eligible for a penny.
Awesome. Please tell Trump to run on that.
 
When gov controls Medicare for all, gov has more control of people.

Yep. Say we get a bunch of morons like Michael Bloomberg in office and they decide if you drink soft drinks your healthcare is canceled. Say you were injured when you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the government could decide not to pay for your care.
The problem is not what is being proposed today, it's the power given to government today that can be abused down the road. Want a perfect example? FISA Courts. Check mate.
 
Yep. Say we get a bunch of morons like Michael Bloomberg in office and they decide if you drink soft drinks your healthcare is canceled. Say you were injured when you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the government could decide not to pay for your care.
My condolences on your amnesia. It must be difficult to not remember anything before 2010.
 
Are we gonna have Denmark's immigration policy?

Cause Bernie has specifically said we are not gonna have Denmark's immigrations policy to go along with his other policies that aren't like Denmark.
 
Are we gonna have Denmark's immigration policy?

Cause Bernie has specifically said we are not gonna have Denmark's immigrations policy to go along with his other policies that aren't like Denmark.
I doubt the difference between a 13.5% and 10.23% foreign born population is going to have a huge impact.
 
Sign me up for this market capitalism:

The Danish state co-owns many enterprises such as Cheminova
and Scandinavian Airlines, and it also plays a potentially even more impor-
tant role as owner of one of the country’s largest investment pension founda-
tions, ATP. ATP’s investment policies about which companies to invest in
reveal the criteria and values that ATP and, therefore, the Danish state uses
ATP and, therefore, the Danish state uses to decide how to invest the Danish
citizens’ savings. Cheminova, Scandinavian Airlines and ATP have all expe-
rienced severe criticism of their social and environmental business conduct
about, for example, chemical products causing severe injuries among
Latin-American end-users, unrealistic high prices in illegal cartel-type alli-
ances, and economic investments in companies pursuing deforestation of vir-
gin rain forests to achieve attractive timber. The Danish state has defended
the state-owned enterprises’ actions when critiqued, and state-owned enter-
prises themselves have basically provided two types of crisis communication
strategies in response to the accusations of neglect of social and environmen-
tal responsibilities: either to answer that “we are in compliance with the law”
or “we are in dialogue with the relevant people and organizations and we try
to influence and change their behavior” as if the very process of “being in
dialogue” is sufficient to retain legitimacy (Christensen, Morsing, & Cheney,
2008). Such responses have left an impression of a government that denies
further responsibility.
Interestingly, while these Danish cases of state-owned enterprises’ lack of
responsibility stirred much media mention and debate about the role of the
state, they did not fundamentally question the role and legitimacy of the
Danish government or the politicians. Perhaps because no Danish citizens
died as in the New Zealand case. Perhaps because the Danes are a trusting
people. Perhaps too trusting? Or perhaps the Danish people have become
too welfare-complacent to insist on scrutiny of governance of state-owned
enterprises?
In the wake of these critical incidents for Danish state-owned enterprises,
it has been interesting to observe the Danish government launch of a “CSR
Action Plan” in 2008 with specific mention of the responsibility of state-
owned enterprises. A law was passed the same year making it compulsory for
the largest 1,000 companies to report annually on their CSR activities. A
central part of the CSR Action Plan focuses on activities for the Danish gov-
ernment to ensure that public authorities, including state-owned enterprises,
live up to the same CSR requirements as their privately owned corporate
counterparts. The Danish government’s CSR Action Plan very concretely
points at 10 initiatives to ensure social responsibility in corporate, state, and
other public activities, and for the purpose of this essay, it is particularly
interesting to note that two of these initiatives specifically target state-owned
enterprises: The government will (a) include state-owned enterprises in the
legislation about compulsory annual CSR reporting and (b) the government
will have all state-owned enterprises sign the UN Global Compact (http://
www.samfundsansvar.dk/sw60606.asp).
While a legislation concerning state-owned enterprises has so far not been
passed, normative pressure and encouragement from the Danish Government
and the National Council for Social Responsibility have made the state-
owned enterprise SKI (the central authority for all state purchases) start a
comprehensive reorganizing process to ensure that sourcing and investing
include social and environmental considerations. SKI has, as I write, made a
special announcement that they are now going through all their suppliers and
will prioritize as most preferred suppliers those that have demonstrated
adherence to the United Nation’s Global Compact principles. In that process,
SKI will naturally deselect those that do not.
Another manifesto.

You know, brevity is our friend.
 
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maybe it wasn't a very good question my friend.
LOL Oh?

Feel free to elaborate. It's pretty simple question. Do you wish actually mirror various nordic policies or just various cherry picked and misrepresented ones?
 
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Just the good ones.
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Yep. Say we get a bunch of morons like Michael Bloomberg in office and they decide if you drink soft drinks your healthcare is canceled. Say you were injured when you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs, the government could decide not to pay for your care.
The problem is not what is being proposed today, it's the power given to government today that can be abused down the road. Want a perfect example? FISA Courts. Check mate.


You need to understand that our good friend, Pilt, like other socialists has latched onto the latest gimmick they have cooked up to make their spending appear palatable, namely Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). On paper it looks divine to them. Government can spend as much as it wants, and if it runs out of dollars it just needs to print more. Problem solved! It's actually a little more complicated than that, but that is the general process of MMT. That it has been thoroughly debunked by economists from free-marketer Don Boudreaux to Keynsian Paul Krugman is of no matter. They are convinced they have found the goose that lays to golden egg with MMT. You might as well be talking to a brick wall. Pilt is a true believer.
 
Pilt is a true believer.

This.

I do not post what I do on here to convince the Libs to vote for Trump. I post it to reinforce for those who voted for Trump, to vote for him again and why voting for Trump is important.

No one on this board that I can see is going to be changing their mind.

I could careless who Pilt is voting for or why, he is beyond hope. Let him believe what he wants. Trump voters and those who are undecided are the only ones I care about.
 
I doubt the difference between a 13.5% and 10.23% foreign born population is going to have a huge impact.
lol

I wonder if an educated immigrant from India who pursues a career in medicine is any different from an illiterate immigrant from Honduras who does odd manual labor jobs to get by...
 
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You need to understand that our good friend, Pilt, like other socialists has latched onto the latest gimmick they have cooked up to make their spending appear palatable, namely Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). On paper it looks divine to them. Government can spend as much as it wants, and if it runs out of dollars it just needs to print more. Problem solved! It's actually a little more complicated than that, but that is the general process of MMT. That it has been thoroughly debunked by economists from free-marketer Don Boudreaux to Keynsian Paul Krugman is of no matter. They are convinced they have found the goose that lays to golden egg with MMT. You might as well be talking to a brick wall. Pilt is a true believer.
Ponca Dan is wrong. MMT has been proven empirically to be correct.
 
lol

I wonder if an educated immigrant from India who pursues a career in medicine is any different from an illiterate immigrant from Honduras who does odd manual labor jobs to get by...
Why would you wonder that?
 
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