Next Years Lineup

[chasepollard]

Baschamania

Okay, I do listen to that when I've got road time.

I need to catch up on it.

 

[west2east]

If its who I'm thinking He would be a killer addition to the line up. And having so many studs sticking around Stillwater in this weight range to workout with cannot be underrated! And dont ask fellas cause we aint telling lol.

Waters would be a good pick up for sure

 

[west2east]

Do NOT underestimate Wolbert. MM's dad tried to tell Cael that they needed to grab him up but they didnt listen. Now that hes starting to roll with Ben this kid will take off just like all of Ben's guys do. Ben has stated that Kellen is just starting to tap into his real potential. And you guys should listen to Willie and JBs latest pod. They discuss how that MM was not really impressive in HS.

Kellen has been an AWA kid since before middle school

 

[DPJ]

Waters would be a good pick up for sure

Hadn't heard about that one.

 

[west2east]

Hadn't heard about that one.

He is the guy I would target for 184

 

[Harleycowboy]

Kellen has been an AWA kid since before middle school

Mesenbrink had committed or even signed with California Babtist and then exploded his senior year and next thing you know he is going to Penn. St.

 

[AtownPoke]

I like routledge but not sure how elite he will be. Joseph jetter is a better prospect and also better athletically. Routledge does have a crazy work ethic so that is always a plus.

Routledge reminds me of the M2 guys on PSU. Not freak athletes but fundamentally tough as nails and country strong. And there is a reason he was one of DTs first targets imo.

 

[AtownPoke]

Kellen has been an AWA kid since before middle school

I think Ben said he’s his first full program kid to be a high level recruit. Started as a 5 or 6 year old

 

[Harleycowboy]

If we’re going to beat PSU… the kids wont be that developed when we push. Everything is sped up. This sounds just as insane to me but If these kids we’re taking now aren’t good enough (or if we’re not developing well enough) for them to push for a finals appearance in their 1st couple years then we aren’t catching up. Nearly every young kid PSU rolls out is a finalist or close to it almost immediately. Luke is that level, Blaze will be, Kasak is, MM is, Levi is was, Carter was, Brooks was, Barr is.

If theyre not good enough to bite as pups then we’re in trouble imo.

I absolutely agree and was going to respond in this thread, but you have expressed my thought on this catching up.

 

[west2east]

Mesenbrink had committed or even signed with California Babtist and then exploded his senior year and next thing you know he is going to Penn. St.

Mesenbrink went to Baptist and then left for Penn st

 

[tom_v31]

Routledge reminds me of the M2 guys on PSU. Not freak athletes but fundamentally tough as nails and country strong. And there is a reason he was one of DTs first targets imo.

Routledge will probably be doubted until he proves himself. The grass is always greener with wrestlers outside of Oklahoma vs inside. He fits DT’s recruit criterium perfectly, late bloomer, starting to hit his stride, tough as nails. He’ll be a good one.

 

[Cowboy1989]

100% agree so I think we’re talking past each other a bit. My point isn’t that we don’t need people it’s that we aren’t looking at 2030 and a guy like Cody Merrill being completely off the roster by then for us to get there.

We have had (I’m leaning on the talent and upside of some guys) 4 good classes in a row already.

‘22- Troy and Tagen are transfers but that’s a good ‘22 haul

‘23-BT and Cael have the talent… yet to be seen how they buy in and develop.

‘24-Merrill and Rin. Merrill is perfect example of what I’m talking about. He’s pretty much there. He’s a finalist level guy next year. I also have very high hopes for Rin.

‘25- This class is loaded. Dee, Robideau, Routledge and Vega should all be major pieces and then there are a ton of high upside interesting pieces behind them (Ramirez, Johnson, Ish, Goff, Hickman, Teague)

‘26-Jax, Ross, Wolbert and Zinkin are all #1’s for us as targets. Ranking aside, Gilman picked Zinkin out as a top target.

My point being that we aren’t just now getting into the elite recruiting game… we’ve just turned it up under DT. Even If we forget about ‘22, ’23 ’24 & ‘25 and we put the PSU two year development clock on our most recent class then we’re looking at ‘28.

Next year (‘26) is a kick the can year imo and we should lean into Sr transfers again at some weights just to keep momentum, but starting in ‘27… we should have some existing studs and some absolute dawgs emerging.

And we’ll obviously lean on the portal to fill in for the guys who don’t live up or to buy us time through out.

The classes of 22, 23 and 24 aren't good enough. Sure they're good enough to contribute to a top 5 finish, but that's not what we're talking about here. 25 is the first class that is good enough to challenge Penn State and 26, so far, is shaping up to be another one. That would be the first 2. Unfortunately our program the last decade has fallen to a level of "not in the same universe as Penn State" - recruiting, development, RTC, marketing, NIL, etc... all of it. Wyatt and Hamiti are the two best wrestlers on the team - both portals, Amine and Fish, two other starters are portals. Our recruiting has not been competitive, we finished 10th last year. You don't go from 10th to beating Penn State in 3 years - that is not realistic.

 

[AtownPoke]

The classes of 22, 23 and 24 aren't good enough. Sure they're good enough to contribute to a top 5 finish, but that's not what we're talking about here. 25 is the first class that is good enough to challenge Penn State and 26, so far, is shaping up to be another one. That would be the first 2. Unfortunately our program the last decade has fallen to a level of "not in the same universe as Penn State" - recruiting, development, RTC, marketing, NIL, etc... all of it. Wyatt and Hamiti are the two best wrestlers on the team - both portals, Amine and Fish, two other starters are portals. Our recruiting has not been competitive, we finished 10th last year. You don't go from 10th to beating Penn State in 3 years - that is not realistic.

Disagree on that and that’s fine. Troy and Tagen could both make finals if things fall right. We’ll know more after March. I’m inclined to ageee on BT and Cael but they were mega recruits. Merrill is exactly the type we’re talking about so idk how you throw that out. Rin is unknown but the only guy he’s been losing to is Ono so he’s anywhere from pretty good to Vito lol.