Next Years Lineup
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Prefacing this by saying I am not advocating poaching guys from PSU or anywhere else. Not just out of respect for our friendly PSU guests on this board, but because it’s not how I want OSU to build a program.
That said, do y’all think Barraclaugh’s success at UVU will spur other PSU guys who are maybe stuck behind a bonafide stud in State College to go elsewhere because they could legitimately AA? Could be to OSU, could be anywhere else. Cael and co. have done a remarkable job keeping guys in the program even if they’re a backup who could be starting/starring elsewhere, but I wonder if Barraclaugh changes that?
That said, do y’all think Barraclaugh’s success at UVU will spur other PSU guys who are maybe stuck behind a bonafide stud in State College to go elsewhere because they could legitimately AA? Could be to OSU, could be anywhere else. Cael and co. have done a remarkable job keeping guys in the program even if they’re a backup who could be starting/starring elsewhere, but I wonder if Barraclaugh changes that?
I doubt it changes. They really have a cult like mindset up there. It's weird
Actually, that’s a scenario I don’t have a problem with.
Penn State is fair game in every facet…being the hunted and all.
Just kidding, sorta, not really, but kinda.
Oh and what’s the deal with a lot of the replies predicting Ayala being at OSU next year? I think I remember Iowa folks on Twitter accusing OSU of tampering with Ayala last offseason, but just assumed that was social media stupidity. Is there a story there I’m missing?
Where there's smoke there's fire. Many of the top 5 guys per weight have been contacted about transferring. All the big NIL players are doing it and it's legal as long as a staff member doesn't contact you. Some universities are better about following those rules than others
Doesn’t Ayala’s brother wrestle at Iowa as well? Color me skeptical.
Exactly. The only reason I could even conceive him leaving a room with that level of training partner (Spencer Lee) and with has to be an appreciable compensation package would be some sort of irreconcilable personally issue with someone in the room. That just seems far fetched to me
Uh, you have a slumlord and a Brands that seem to have a knack for personal relationship issues.
But yeah, to your point, it’s hard to see. Maybe a room with Fix, RBY, Gillman, Spratley, Hughes and Sakamoto is much more attractive than just Lee?
I also doubt his compensation package is “more” here versus Iowa.
Oklahoma st already tried for Drake but he stayed at Iowa. I imagine this off season they will try again. Nothing illegal about it as long as a 3rd party makes the contact. Some may not like it morally but that's a different discussion. Proxies are a coaches best friend currently
Probably right. If we are going to proxy contact I really only hope it’s PSU and Iowa.
If contact is initiated, and a kid is leaving anyway, that’s fine.
You have a good source that our 3rd party made first contact? Sounds like conflicting stories
Always 2 sides . Caller ID would be the only way to know for sure
Thank you. The key for our fan base is patience. It’s gonna take a minute. And we will fall backwards next year a bit. I want long term sustainability and have no desire to be Iowa. Shitty culture, paying tons for transfers over the top of recruits. That’s not working to get to the top which is where we will be. Depending on the redshirt planning over the next couple years, we will start threatening 2027-28 season. I hope our fans can chill and let us get there methodically.
Oklahoma st fans chill 🤣🤣 that won't happen. They want to win now which I understand it's been awhile. But the reality is give it a few years and time for the staff to build a foundation
I am not sure what Cleveland State dropping wrestling has to do with NIL and transfers, what people have been talking about? When was the last time they had a solid wrestler transfer anywhere? When was the last time they had an AA at any weight? Their last was in 1995. Transfers and the NIL have not affected their wrestling program at all. Haven't they cut the program a few times now in recent time?
On a good note, there are a few UFC fighters trying to lobby to save the program. Hopefully they make some progress with it. A lot of wrestling fans in Ohio, hopefully these fighters can get some donations to save the program, and then hopefully Cleveland State invests and puts the time in to keep the funding coming in.
Cleveland st University as a whole is $422 million in debt. The University said no amount of $ could save the program. They also cut woman's softball and woman's golf. When they cut wrestling years ago they were open to saving it and the students voted for a $3 fee per credit hour. Over the years the University has changed that legislation and now that $3 fee is spread amongst all sports. NIL and revenue sharing had nothing to do with Cleveland st dropping wrestling.
NIL and transfers has everything to do with schools cutting Wrestling. You just identified the type of schools that are eying the budget and wondering what exactly they are paying for? Yes, they cut it awhile back and the student body voted to take an increase in tuition to save it.
That is a good note, the Wrestling community needs some sort of coop/collab process to save the sport.
Revenue sharing with have more of an effect on programs dropping than NIL. Most programs from 30-78 aren't judged on winning. It's more about the team staying out of trouble and getting a solid GPA than it is winning
I forgot to mention revenue sharing.
I would disagree that the only metric that saves them is GPA and legal issues. Maybe we don't see the cuts I fear are coming?
My point was that ADs aren't gonna cut wrestling because the best guy transfers
This is a guess, but I would have to say this is just a poorly ran University then. I agree with you, NIL and transfers had nothing to do with them cutting their program.
What about consistently the best guys? Like in an obvious continuous trend that is happening now?
If a fanbase is diluted because of the constant kick in the pants, the budget will show. Say 2k on average attendance #s at call it 5 duals at $20/per...an AD is going to notice a dip in the budget of that magnitude. *That may be extreme*
Yes, it's obvious to any person that being that far behind is the problem. I know they have a problem with enrollment...like they have a high 905 acceptance rate...which tells me they are taking all they can get and don't want to give out any free classes.
So yes, I will agree that this specific example is not on NIL, Rev share and transfers. My main worry is seeing dominoes starting to fall.
If the evaluation was all about success those smaller programs would've been cut already is my opinion. Coaches need to endow the program ASAP. No doubt Chase wrestling programs are in trouble. The $22 million revenue sharing is a death blow
This thread is about NEXT YEARS LINEUP - I don't think that people are truly taking into consideration the massive changes that are being brought and how that will affect even a program like OSU, much less a program like Little Rock. Here are the 3 big questions and some thoughts:
1) What portion of the $20 Million Revenue Share will OSU Wrestling receive? So first issue here is will OSU be able to raise the full 20 million? Let's assume that OSU figures out how to get and distribute the full 20 million (which is still a question). Football gets the vast majority of that money, with men's basketball being the clear second. That leaves 16 other sports to divvy up what? 2 or 3 million? The only good news is that our biggest rivals (Iowa and PSU) are in the same boat with regards to needing the vast majority of the $ to go to football, so will their programs be getting more than ours? Unclear. I hope these numbers become public so we know. This has the chance to save small programs as long as they have dedicated boosters. UALR isn't going to raise 20 million, so they are not going to have 20 million to divvy up. Wrestling boosters $ is going to go almost exclusively to wrestling and there is a potential for these programs to be able to pay more for their players than OSU, tOSU, Iowa and Penn St. will be able to, from THIS pot (see below re: NIL ?). Also, they have already warned of $ cuts to all programs, so are we going to be willing to continue to pay 1 mil for a coach? Not without outside help (like Richison)
2) How many scholarships will we actually give? Under the new rules, we CAN give out up to 30 full scholarships is my understanding. I've been told our current 9.9 are fully endowed, so that would be a great start. HOWEVER, Title IX comes into play. If we expand scholarships for wrestling, we have to increase scholarships to women's sports. And some of our women's sports schollys may not be endowed, so there is a POSSIBILITY they reduce scholarships to women's sports to save $ for the 20 mil pot, in turn reducing scholarships at OSU to wrestling. Although I dont' think it will happen, one IDEA is that if we had big enough wrestling support to fund a women's wrestling team outright, we could add women's scholarships there fairly easily-it would just mean for every $100 someone wanted to support the men's program schollys, 50 would have to go to women's. So this is a real potential issue too.
3) How is outside NIL going to work? The only thing I have heard is that any deals over $600 have to be approved by NCAA. What are those rules going to be? Is Joe Blows Sports Cars still going to be able to pay a player 25K if they want to? I don't see how they keep this from happening with the state of the laws as they are (which is why all this started in the first place. $ = free speech, etc... What happens to collectives? How are they going to outlaw collectives, as long as they are not a part of the university and don't collude with the university (I mean for real don't collude)? With the problems in 1 and 2, this is the real key to the survival of wrestling like it has been. IDK what happens here. I know the university is going to be encouraging donations to the 20 mil pot and notto outside NIL things for sure. We don't have the $ fanbase t these other programs do.
Anyway, just some thoughts looking toward next year and what may happen re: Transfers, etc...
1) What portion of the $20 Million Revenue Share will OSU Wrestling receive? So first issue here is will OSU be able to raise the full 20 million? Let's assume that OSU figures out how to get and distribute the full 20 million (which is still a question). Football gets the vast majority of that money, with men's basketball being the clear second. That leaves 16 other sports to divvy up what? 2 or 3 million? The only good news is that our biggest rivals (Iowa and PSU) are in the same boat with regards to needing the vast majority of the $ to go to football, so will their programs be getting more than ours? Unclear. I hope these numbers become public so we know. This has the chance to save small programs as long as they have dedicated boosters. UALR isn't going to raise 20 million, so they are not going to have 20 million to divvy up. Wrestling boosters $ is going to go almost exclusively to wrestling and there is a potential for these programs to be able to pay more for their players than OSU, tOSU, Iowa and Penn St. will be able to, from THIS pot (see below re: NIL ?). Also, they have already warned of $ cuts to all programs, so are we going to be willing to continue to pay 1 mil for a coach? Not without outside help (like Richison)
2) How many scholarships will we actually give? Under the new rules, we CAN give out up to 30 full scholarships is my understanding. I've been told our current 9.9 are fully endowed, so that would be a great start. HOWEVER, Title IX comes into play. If we expand scholarships for wrestling, we have to increase scholarships to women's sports. And some of our women's sports schollys may not be endowed, so there is a POSSIBILITY they reduce scholarships to women's sports to save $ for the 20 mil pot, in turn reducing scholarships at OSU to wrestling. Although I dont' think it will happen, one IDEA is that if we had big enough wrestling support to fund a women's wrestling team outright, we could add women's scholarships there fairly easily-it would just mean for every $100 someone wanted to support the men's program schollys, 50 would have to go to women's. So this is a real potential issue too.
3) How is outside NIL going to work? The only thing I have heard is that any deals over $600 have to be approved by NCAA. What are those rules going to be? Is Joe Blows Sports Cars still going to be able to pay a player 25K if they want to? I don't see how they keep this from happening with the state of the laws as they are (which is why all this started in the first place. $ = free speech, etc... What happens to collectives? How are they going to outlaw collectives, as long as they are not a part of the university and don't collude with the university (I mean for real don't collude)? With the problems in 1 and 2, this is the real key to the survival of wrestling like it has been. IDK what happens here. I know the university is going to be encouraging donations to the 20 mil pot and notto outside NIL things for sure. We don't have the $ fanbase t these other programs do.
Anyway, just some thoughts looking toward next year and what may happen re: Transfers, etc...
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Great post. All questions we still don't have answers to. I have heard the 30 man roster situation might be done over a few years instead of immediately.
You are an Iowa guy right? Y'all have 20 sports, so the pool of $ after football and basketball is even lower. What's your gut feeling about what percentage Iowa U cares about wrestling when it comes to this money vs. Football especially?
Heck PSU has like 27 sports
No I'm not an Iowa guy but get accused of it all the time. I do post there and have some friends in Iowa. I'm not sure how Iowa will react to revenue sharing and being able to have 30 scholarships. My gut tells me that Iowa will get more than 9.9 scholarships. I have been told Rutgers will get a scholarship bump but not sure how many
Can you take this post, copy and paste into a new thread so we can continue this discussion there?
I heard Larry Reece on the radio today. Sounds like they will try to raise most of the 22 million from an annual red dirt concert at BPS and most of the other from raising season ticket prices (mostly from football)
I’ve heard higher season ticket prices will bring in 8-10 mil (maybe) l. They are only reportedly making a couple million from 4 concerts and I doubt it’s going to be any bigger in the future unless it’s Garth
