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Yeah I don’t care about Flos big board anymore. Ever since Willie left they’ve become super biased against OSU and will drop our guys over any slight thing.Every weight is basically covered now between the 2020 & 2021 classes...
125: Burks
133: Mastro
141: Travis
149: Voinovich
157: Mastro
165: Surber (can he make it?)
174: Plott
184: Jezik
197: Ferrari
285: Haas
Also, I don't know how much stock you can put in Flo's updated Big Board. Dropping Ferrari & Plott because of injuries doesn't make a ton of sense. Yianni missed his senior year due to multiple elbow surgeries and he wasn't dropped down to #10. An easy way to look at it is predicted career points at Nationals. Does anyone think 9 guys will outscore Ferrari?
Same with Burks & Surber. Burks wrestled up at 132, losing in the state finals (he wrestled 126 at dual state) and Surber's only loss was to Picklo. By comparison, Robbie Howard lost more folkstyle matches in the last year and a half than Burks & Surber did combined. Flo left him in the top 10, so dropping them 30 spots is nuts.
I’ve always kind of defended Flo but their is no doubt things have changed towards us. I think it is a combination of Willie leaving, Askren coming on board and losing our rights.
I don’t think we have a real shot to win it next year but the fact they don’t even mention us as a potential trophy team next year is pretty crazy to me. Especially when they fawn over teams like Michigan and Cornell (who I have no doubt will be awesome).
You hit the nail on the head. Willie was extremely plugged into the big 12 and especially OSU so losing him was not only a loss of a very good wrestling mind and their top recruiting guy but it also resulted in them getting less insight and news about us and the conference.
Askren has an admitted bias against OSU. FLO is also catering to the Big 10 and a part of the country that drives their traffic and revenue.
This OSU class “on paper” is in the best of the decade type class discussion and so to discuss it as anything other than that is just poor form and shows bias. Nomad and Pyles should be better than that.
Can’t say who it is, but there’s a commitment coming on Monday.
Is there still a big commitment coming Monday?
Or did Voinovich just pop a few days earlier than expected?
Nah it was Voinovich.Is there still a big commitment coming Monday?
Or did Voinovich just pop a few days earlier than expected?
Something tells me he and mitchL will be sharing stories of how they used to be able to post here...Hopefully that mizzou fan comes back to chime in. might be lucky
I think you could be right about them being able to make 41 and 49 as true freshmen. The other Cowboy wrestler who could be at 41 or 49 would be fairly blue chip recruit when he signed Brevin Balmaceda. However he did not show much his true freshman red shirt year especially with conditioning. By then he will have 2 whole seasons in the wrestling room. Does anyone have any news on Brevin's development in the room this year.Voinovich & Mastro appear set for 149 & 157. But could they go 141 & 149 as true freshmen?
Ohio St plans to leave Sasso @ 149 and have Echemendia go 141. He's roughly the same size as Voinovich (both wrestled 65 kg). And the younger Mastro wrestled light this past year, weighing in around 149-150. Then we could roll out the following in 2021-2022 for a title push...
Burks (older Mastro redshirts)
Daton
Voinovich
Mastro
Sheets
Wittlake
Plott
Montalvo
Ferrari
Streck (6th year?) / Haas / Doucet
I think you could be right about them being able to make 41 and 49 as true freshmen. The other Cowboy wrestler who could be at 41 or 49 would be fairly blue chip recruit when he signed Brevin Balmaceda. However he did not show much his true freshman red shirt year especially with conditioning. By then he will have 2 whole seasons in the wrestling room. Does anyone have any news on Brevin's development in the room this year.
I think you could be right about them being able to make 41 and 49 as true freshmen. The other Cowboy wrestler who could be at 41 or 49 would be fairly blue chip recruit when he signed Brevin Balmaceda. However he did not show much his true freshman red shirt year especially with conditioning. By then he will have 2 whole seasons in the wrestling room. Does anyone have any news on Brevin's development in the room this year.
I have heard rumors on forums that we are after another top10 recruit in 21. I don't have any idea if this is true but that could be Van Ness 33/41, Valencia 160, Poulin and Figueroa career 125's. Figueroa is committed to Arizona State but I know Penn. Sr. people are talking about getting him.I like it that our "New" recruiting thread is 13 pages long. We are excited about our commitments and young guys in the room.
I think Figueroa has pretty much decommitted from ASU. I personally think it’s Figueroa we’re going after. Don’t have any inside info tho, just a guess.I have heard rumors on forums that we are after another top10 recruit in 21. I don't have any idea if this is true but that could be Van Ness 33/41, Valencia 160, Poulin and Figueroa career 125's. Figueroa is committed to Arizona State but I know Penn. Sr. people are talking about getting him.
The 2022 Big Board is out on FLO with Williams rated 5, Rogers 7, Spratley 13, Ferrari 15, Wiley 19, Blankenship 28, Sanders 41 and Andrews 49. Surprise we have the makings for another great class.I think Figueroa has pretty much decommitted from ASU. I personally think it’s Figueroa we’re going after. Don’t have any inside info tho, just a guess.
The 2022 Big Board is out on FLO with Williams rated 5, Rogers 7, Spratley 13, Ferrari 15, Wiley 19, Blankenship 28, Sanders 41 and Andrews 49. Surprise we have the makings for another great class.
So Flo dropped Ferrari from 8 to 15 after he dominated this past season? Makes sense.
Van Ness would be fantastic, but it's hard to see him not going to either Princeton or Rutgers. Ohio St is also after Figueroa. If we are targeting him, that would mean Burks is unable to hold 125. Could mean Braxton Brown is an option again.
It seems like it could be any or all other of them. Van Ness was expected to take an official at one point. Valencia (I cringe saying this because it rarely is a true indication) has been seen wearing OSU gear. Poulin had forged relationships with several of our recent signees/commits. Figs has been getting/giving a lot of OSU retweets/likes (another pour indicator).I have heard rumors on forums that we are after another top10 recruit in 21. I don't have any idea if this is true but that could be Van Ness 33/41, Valencia 160, Poulin and Figueroa career 125's. Figueroa is committed to Arizona State but I know Penn. Sr. people are talking about getting him.
Didn’t Anthony Ferrari miss the end of year due to injury too? From the outside looking in, the Ferraris seem like the type that will be motivated by drops in rankings due to injury. DisrespectFLO has come out with some very odd rankings since Willie left who was by far their most plugged in and knowledgeable HS guy on staff. They have penalized some guys for injuries, losses wrestling up a weight and not for others. Extremely inconsistent.
Figs is talented enough that if he shows interest (and I think he has) you make it work. I don’t think it says anything about anyone else.
If we got Figueroa I would think that our last 2 classes would be the best classes in 2 consecutive years in decades. I would think that performance of these classes would be even greater since I also think that the wrestlers in our classes in general have been underrated.FLO has come out with some very odd rankings since Willie left who was by far their most plugged in and knowledgeable HS guy on staff. They have penalized some guys for injuries, losses wrestling up a weight and not for others. Extremely inconsistent.
Figs is talented enough that if he shows interest (and I think he has) you make it work. I don’t think it says anything about anyone else.
Any idea which way Cael Valencia (160 pounds) is leaning? Ness (132 pounds) from Blair is the #2 and sounds like a true stud. Folks in Texas are pretty high on Elise Brown Ton out of Allen. He is not like the Texans of a few years ago as he is in a top ranked program.
Didn’t Anthony Ferrari miss the end of year due to injury too? From the outside looking in, the Ferraris seem like the type that will be motivated by drops in rankings due to injury. Disrespect
The 2022 Big Board is out on FLO with Williams rated 5, Rogers 7, Spratley 13, Ferrari 15, Wiley 19, Blankenship 28, Sanders 41 and Andrews 49. Surprise we have the makings for another great class.
I knew Williams was good but didn’t realize he was that good. I know there is a lot of different info on our chances with him.
I wonder when the last time there was a top 5 kid in Oklahoma we didn’t get. Ware?
We are in very good shape with most on that list and will land several. We are in the mix with Williams (beat Blankenship earlier this year who wasn’t 100%) but he is very open to going outside of Oklahoma and unfortunately does have some solid OU ties.
Have heard the same on Wiley, which makes sense. Crazy to think the amount of talent that is possible/likely over the 3 classes (20,21 and 22).
Good to hear we aren’t completely out of it with Williams. It would be weird to have no chance with an Oklahoma kid rated that.
I would think scholarship money would start to become an issue with these upcoming classes. Oklahoma kids would help a ton with that.
Well lt looks like there could be some potential interest there. Moore just followed Seth Duckworth on Twitter. It might not mean anything but I don’t know why you’d all of a sudden follow an OSU beat writer if you weren’t at least somewhat interested.Another thought - how about Mitch Moore from VT as a transfer (he's in the portal).
I've seen some chatter that he might be headed to ASU (and that he might go 149), but they just picked up Jesse Vasquez yesterday.
For us he would slot in both weight and class wise. Has 2 years remaining with a redshirt available I believe. He could redshirt next year and then take over for Kaid or Boo (preferably 141). That would effectively put him in the Daton/Wittlake/Montalvo class.
Neither. I just subscribe to PFB+.Is TheJimReaper a private investigator or just full of intellectual curiosity?
Little nervous to see what news Alex Dieringer is bringing to the surface tomorrow. He’ll be on Flo with Bader at the 11:30 eastern
I agree. I’m trying to stay optimistic until otherwise but he’s most likely leaving for another RTC. The question is: which one??Can’t imagine it’s anything but he’s moving to a new training location.