National Duals

[Air_Thurman]

I understand why PSU and Iowa will probably say no. I do not like it, but I understand it. They are going to do everything in their power to keep OSU (and the State of Oklahoma) from reascending the throne.

The money is great, and I would think is enough to entice everyone but PSU and Iowa to join. I am somewhat concerned that the Big 10 schools will band together to come up with their own version of this. Brands and Sanderson both hinted that something else was in the works when they were asked about this.

If PSU and Iowa were able to pull this off at a great venue and bring in someone who was putting up $1 million that went straight to wrestling programs I would be pissed if we didn't participate because it was in Iowa or Pennsylvania.

 

[Howie_Fartz]

i reserved my hotel before the hotels found out about it and jumped the price.

Good call. Just booked two nights at the Hyatt (theyre filling up fast) for less than one night at B12s.

 

[oklahomaglory]

We should stop simping to PSU and go ahead and enjoy the tournament. If the tournament is inevitable, they will come join. Right now the wrestling is concentrated a lot around BIG area. Having National dual close to OSU is a threat to PSU. Rotating the venue might help. But, ultimately PSU will do all things they can to avoid it.

Main reason why PSU doesnt do home/home with OSU anymore. To maintain the status quo.

 

[tom_v31]

I bet this concept would have more takers if ALL the money was donated as a pool of money to help lesser programs stabilize the sport, and if a neutral or rotating location was chosen. The money could even be used to help grow the sport at the high school level in the south, etc.

Universities have enough money. They don’t need more. Make it a charity event that might actually help the sport

I like it.

 

[Travis25]

If PSU and Iowa were able to pull this off at a great venue and bring in someone who was putting up $1 million that went straight to wrestling programs I would be pissed if we didn't participate because it was in Iowa or Pennsylvania.

I would be pissed too. However, you have to understand how PSU is in a much different position than we are. They do not need the money and are fighting like dogs to preserve the status quo. Iowa is in a little different position, which is why I believe they are thinking harder about participating.

 

[Air_Thurman]

We should stop simping to PSU and go ahead and enjoy the tournament. If the tournament is inevitable, they will come join. Right now the wrestling is concentrated a lot around BIG area. Having National dual close to OSU is a threat to PSU. Rotating the venue might help. But, ultimately PSU will do all things they can to avoid it.

Main reason why PSU doesnt do home/home with OSU anymore. To maintain the status quo.

This will be an awesome event whether PSU wants to be a part of it or not. People always ask how you bring new fans into the sport. Events like this are a great start. Cael can sit in his castle counting his team trophies while the rest of the sport enjoys an awesome event.

 

[Stilly08]

Love the idea but $200k to the winner is peanuts, I thought it was the winner gets a milly

 

[Air_Thurman]

Love the idea but $200k to the winner is peanuts, I thought it was the winner gets a milly

$200K is not peanuts to any program.

Winter is coming for Olympic sports. A wrestling program getting to add $200K to their bottom line in a weekend is a big deal.

 

[chasepollard]

Love the idea but $200k to the winner is peanuts, I thought it was the winner gets a milly

$200k is a significant budget filler for almost every non-Blue Blood Football school. Is it Program changing money? To some, but it is most definitely an option that helps not cutting a Program too.

 

[Chasingthirty-five]

Your statement is out of touch with the economic reality of the wrestling landscape. How EXACTLY would National Duals grow the sport?

I mentioned nothing about growing the sport in my response. You said more schools would consider going if this was a charitable contribution. This implied to me that you think 20k-200k is nothing to most wrestling schools and that they would be more interested in supporting a cause than some extra cash. My statement is that what I believe you implied is out of touch. How that makes me out of touch, I am not sure? I also wasn’t trying to be condescending about how I said it. Truly felt your opinion won’t be shared by 85% of the programs.

If you’re implying that this event only helps the winner which is likely to be a school that doesn’t “need” the 200k, then I think that’s shortsighted.

This isn’t just a rich get richer deal. Get your program in here and the 20k helps cover the cost. Get exposure and if you can perform and maybe knock off a bigger/richer school think what that could do for sport excitement, alumni support, recruiting all at the beginning of the season. It could be a launch point for some programs and for some kids.

 

[Air_Thurman]

Your statement is out of touch with the economic reality of the wrestling landscape. How EXACTLY would National Duals grow the sport? If we are honest with ourselves, National Duals would only support the fans who are already fans of the sport. Zero growth from this concept as presented. Where do our wrestling fans come from? Mostly from kids who wrestled in HS. Where do most big donors come from? Mostly from kids who were exposed to wrestling at a young age.

If you want to grow the sport, stop putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound. Spend 15-20 years growing the sport at the grassroots level

Can you imagine where football and basketball would be if their notion of growing the sport was only focusing on those who played at the youth level? I'm sorry but this is just utter insanity. If college wrestling's notion of growing the sport is only focused on those who compete and are involved on the youth level the sport won't be here in 30 years on the college level.