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More Than a Dozen Proven Victims of Obama’s Many Wiretaps

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WikiLeaks released the following list on February 23rd (see link here) of Obama Administration wire taps:

* The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;

* Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;

* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;

* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;

* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);

* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;

* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and

* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration. It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

* In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks. The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked.

* Also in 2013, members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance. The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.”

* Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration. A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post.
 
Its stories like these that make me laugh when the left calls Trump Fascist. All they needed to do was open their eyes and see that Obama performed the most fascist of activities of using the power of goverment to silence his critics. Like any good fascist, he weaponized the DOJ, IRS, and the various intelligence agencies to attack and harass all who opposed him, and the lap-dog media simply smiled and tweeted about how nice Michelle looked, (even when their own was targeted).
 
Russsia's plan is working. IF it can be proven Obama spied on Trump combined with these other activities, who here will have faith in our system? IF that turns out to be true, we have the NSA, CIA, DOJ, FBI, etc...either complicit or negligent and grossly in over their heads. Plus a MSM that does not care one bit about our country. You then have a weak GOP that stood in silence. I have wanted a complete turnover of our elected officials for a long time now, Dems and Reps. Pretty dark stuff if all true. Can Trump literally clean a swamp that big? If a lot of stuff turns out to be true the Congress, DOJ, NSA, CIA, and every other alphabet department deserves to be overrun with pitchforks. I am going to be way past pissed off, we will have a conspiracy of the highest order made up of thousands of people who made efforts to take away our freedoms and our constitution with MSM as a major player. In that context, fixing the government might be easier than fixing MSM. Perhaps I do not understand the power of the public, but if we can not unite as Americans to take back our government then we do not deserve a government by and for the people.
 
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I have no problem with the hacking and tracking of foreign leaders. In fact, I'd be pissed if we weren't at least attempting to do this because you know they are trying to do the same with us. The reporters are another matter.

I believe Trump needs to put up or shut up on this Obama wire tapping accusation. i've seen no evidence of this actually happening and I doubt it exists. Every senior government official has denied it enthusiastically. I saw one of his staffers, a dark headed lady on the news this morning, And her entire point was that the press should give as much weight to this story as they are to the Russia story. It screams to me that this is nothing but a massive troll attempt to get at the media over the Russia story. I'm sick of the childish bullshit it's hard to even turn on the television anymore.
 
I have no problem with the hacking and tracking of foreign leaders. In fact, I'd be pissed if we weren't at least attempting to do this because you know they are trying to do the same with us. The reporters are another matter.

I believe Trump needs to put up or shut up on this Obama wire tapping accusation. i've seen no evidence of this actually happening and I doubt it exists. Every senior government official has denied it enthusiastically. I saw one of his staffers, a dark headed lady on the news this morning, And her entire point was that the press should give as much weight to this story as they are to the Russia story. It screams to me that this is nothing but a massive troll attempt to get at the media over the Russia story. I'm sick of the childish bullshit it's hard to even turn on the television anymore.

I agree, but if it did happen in the environment we are in now, what government official will admit to knowing about it? The first one to do so becomes the patsy for Obama.
 
Russsia's plan is working. IF it can be proven Obama spied on Trump combined with these other activities, who here will have faith in our system? IF that turns out to be true, we have the NSA, CIA, DOJ, FBI, etc...either complicit or negligent and grossly in over their heads. Plus a MSM that does not care one bit about our country. You then have a weak GOP that stood in silence. I have wanted a complete turnover of our elected officials for a long time now, Dems and Reps. Pretty dark stuff if all true. Can Trump literally clean a swamp that big? If a lot of stuff turns out to be true the Congress, DOJ, NSA, CIA, and every other alphabet department deserves to be overrun with pitchforks. I am going to be way past pissed off, we will have a conspiracy of the highest order made up of thousands of people who made efforts to take away our freedoms and our constitution with MSM as a major player. In that context, fixing the government might be easier than fixing MSM. Perhaps I do not understand the power of the public, but if we can not unite as Americans to take back our government then we do not deserve a government by and for the people.


honest to goodness question okstate1

did you have faith in our system before all this?

do you really think discrediting our democracy is russia's plan?

this stuff is business as usual in washington

it's just been brought to light as part of the current power struggle
 
honest to goodness question okstate1

did you have faith in our system before all this?

do you really think discrediting our democracy is russia's plan?

this stuff is business as usual in washington

it's just been brought to light as part of the current power struggle

Faith no, wanted em all out years ago. But multiple agencies possibly conspiring together with the Prez and MSM? No, knew it was bad but not across the board.

I am starting to think we were such easy targets for the Russia BS that it was very easy to plant this thought, if so not certain even Russia could have predicted this. I do think they have not tampered with the election, but I think they may have tried to keep this story alive, it is a major distraction and is leading to eating our own which perhaps was needed but not in this way.
 
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Another great breakdown by this guy.

Is it true that 99% of FISA warrants are granted? How did the first application for one get denied?

Unitl 2000, no FISA warrant had been denied and only one modified.

Since then 12 have been denied and 533 modified.

Since the existence of the court, 99.7% have been granted. Of those 1.5% had to be modified before being granted.

One of my major objections to the FISA court in general.
 
Unitl 2000, no FISA warrant had been denied and only one modified.

Since then 12 have been denied and 533 modified.

Since the existence of the court, 99.7% have been granted. Of those 1.5% had to be modified before being granted.

One of my major objections to the FISA court in general.

the star chamber

in retrospect such a great movie without guidance for my 12year old self
 
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By the way, my actual wish would be for all the Russia and wire tapping stuff to just be embarrassingly untrue - with all parties acknowledging same.

In likelihood, one will be proven over the other and either scenario could be crippling in terms of confidence in our government and its institutions.

I think we are committed to this road though, and as such, the scenario which fits my admittedly biased worldview (globalists are trying to undermine a president they can't control) is pretty accurately reflected in that video.

Clearly it may not be, but... IF That's the case, what would be the likely scope of indictments and the nature of the charges?

This is actually pretty horrifying in its scope if true.
 
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And we know that the Trump Administration has been attacked using information from unauthorized leaks since day one. Obama and his goons have showed their hand many times over the last 8 years regarding this type of illegal activity,
 
I think we are committed to this road though, and as such, the scenario which fits my admittedly biased worldview (globalists are trying to undermine a president they can't control) is pretty accurately reflected in that video.

Key fact: the election was supposed to be this:


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Trump f*cked it all up.





 
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By the way, my actual wish would be for all the Russia and wire tapping stuff to just be embarrassingly untrue - with all parties acknowledging same.

In likelihood, one will be proven over the other and either scenario could be crippling in terms of confidence in our government and its institutions.

I think we are committed to this road though, and as such, the scenario which fits my admittedly biased worldview (globalists are trying to undermine a president they can't control) is pretty accurately reflected in that video.

Clearly it may not be, but... IF That's the case, what would be the likely scope of indictments and the nature of the charges?

This is actually pretty horrifying in its scope if true.

Just my .02.

My actual wish would be the same.

I think that it is just as likely that both might be proven true equally instead of one being proven over the other.

It's extremely hard (closer to impossible) to say what the scope of indictments and the nature of the charges would be without having any idea what the scope the investigation was or what it discovered. I also think it is itself biased to ask for and receive speculation on what charges might occur against whom IF your admittedly biased worldview turns out to be the case without also speculating on the scope of what charges might occur if the other possibility becomes true. Ultimately such speculation before an actual investigation is meaningless and nothing but mudslinging.
 
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Not really. They aren't actually directly contradictory....the headline and the quote.

Headline says wiretapped data used against. Doesn't say wiretap of Trump organization or communications directly from Trump organization.
 
DeepStateGate explained.

Oh, and by the way, how does a transcript of a Trump phone call, via his oval office phone, make headlines? Like the time president Trump was talking on the phone with the president of Mexico?

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DeepStateGate explained.

Oh, and by the way, how does a transcript of a Trump phone call, via his oval office phone, make headlines? Like the time president Trump was talking on the phone with the president of Mexico?

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Where is this email that is on the meme?
 
How is that less far fetched than wire tapping - knowing it was requested at least once?

I didn't say it was less far fetched.

I also said it was a hunch....nothing more.

But since you asked I will answer. When we talk about "wiretapping" we should really define what we are talking about. Several possibilities:

1. The FBI or NSA getting a FISA warrant for a foreign national which happened to capture communications between Trump associates and possibly Trump himself with the subject of the warrant;
2. The FBI or NSA getting a FISA warrant for communications by a foreign national for a particular Computer server communicated with by foreign nationals;
3. The FBI or NSA getting a FISA warrant with Trump or Trump associates (American citizens) as the subject of the warrant;
4. Obama wiretapping Trump directly without any judicial oversight while Obama was in office; and,
5. Trump's Oval Office phone as President of the US being tapped and released (implied by the question I was answering with my post "Oh, and by the way, how does a transcript of a Trump phone call, via his oval office phone, make headlines? Like the time president Trump was talking on the phone with the president of Mexico?) by some "shadow government" or "deep state" operative.

In this type of discussion, details matter....despite the fact that EVERYBODY in this battle of narratives appears to not give a damn about facts and details.

Of the four examples re: wiretaps I presented, I'd say a mole in the upper echelon of White House staff being the source of some of the leaks to the press....

-More far fetched than numbers 1 and 2....because there is evidence that those may have occurred.
-About the same level with regards to 3......because there is no evidence either way, but it's just my opinion that those two are about on the same level of possibility or likelihood.
-Less far fetched than 4 and 5.....way less far fetched than 5.

What say ye to my ranking?
 
I didn't say it was less far fetched.

I also said it was a hunch....nothing more.

But since you asked I will answer. When we talk about "wiretapping" we should really define what we are talking about. Several possibilities:

1. The FBI or NSA getting a FISA warrant for a foreign national which happened to capture communications between Trump associates and possibly Trump himself with the subject of the warrant;
2. The FBI or NSA getting a FISA warrant for communications by a foreign national for a particular Computer server communicated with by foreign nationals;
3. The FBI or NSA getting a FISA warrant with Trump or Trump associates (American citizens) as the subject of the warrant;
4. Obama wiretapping Trump directly without any judicial oversight while Obama was in office; and,
5. Trump's Oval Office phone as President of the US being tapped and released (implied by the question I was answering with my post "Oh, and by the way, how does a transcript of a Trump phone call, via his oval office phone, make headlines? Like the time president Trump was talking on the phone with the president of Mexico?) by some "shadow government" or "deep state" operative.

In this type of discussion, details matter....despite the fact that EVERYBODY in this battle of narratives appears to not give a damn about facts and details.

Of the four examples re: wiretaps I presented, I'd say a mole in the upper echelon of White House staff being the source of some of the leaks to the press....

-More far fetched than numbers 1 and 2....because there is evidence that those may have occurred.
-About the same level with regards to 3......because there is no evidence either way, but it's just my opinion that those two are about on the same level of possibility or likelihood.
-Less far fetched than 4 and 5.....way less far fetched than 5.

What say ye to my ranking?

thanks. I appreciate the reply. I agree 4&5 would be unlikely for a lot of reasons.

What about a combination of current moles and pre inauguration wire taps? That's actually what I believe we will see.
 
I didn't say it was less far fetched.

I also said it was a hunch....nothing more.

But since you asked I will answer. When we talk about "wiretapping" we should really define what we are talking about. Several possibilities:

1. The FBI or NSA getting a FISA warrant for a foreign national which happened to capture communications between Trump associates and possibly Trump himself with the subject of the warrant;
2. The FBI or NSA getting a FISA warrant for communications by a foreign national for a particular Computer server communicated with by foreign nationals;
3. The FBI or NSA getting a FISA warrant with Trump or Trump associates (American citizens) as the subject of the warrant;
4. Obama wiretapping Trump directly without any judicial oversight while Obama was in office; and,
5. Trump's Oval Office phone as President of the US being tapped and released (implied by the question I was answering with my post "Oh, and by the way, how does a transcript of a Trump phone call, via his oval office phone, make headlines? Like the time president Trump was talking on the phone with the president of Mexico?) by some "shadow government" or "deep state" operative.

In this type of discussion, details matter....despite the fact that EVERYBODY in this battle of narratives appears to not give a damn about facts and details.

Of the four examples re: wiretaps I presented, I'd say a mole in the upper echelon of White House staff being the source of some of the leaks to the press....

-More far fetched than numbers 1 and 2....because there is evidence that those may have occurred.
-About the same level with regards to 3......because there is no evidence either way, but it's just my opinion that those two are about on the same level of possibility or likelihood.
-Less far fetched than 4 and 5.....way less far fetched than 5.

What say ye to my ranking?
If Trumps claims are based on what Mark Levin said and what was reported on Brietbart it was NOT #4 as they clearly claimed that Obama had directed the FBI or the Justice Dept to secure a warrant through FISC.

Like I said, this could all be cleared up in an hour or two if the House and Senate Foreign Intelligence committees would just call Comey over to address them, bringing any evidence he has showing that such a warrant was ever sought or issued by FISC, and if yes - who the actual subject was.

Let's say for purposes of argument that the reporting earlier about a warrant sought, but denied - then in October a second warrant sought, but granted.... that still leaves one huge hole. Who was the actual subject of the warrant? If the discussion centers around those businesses and individuals who operate or live in Trump Tower, there should be no assumption that the warrant applied to Trump personally.

As I mentioned previously, there was some reporting at the time that such a warrant had been issued under FISA provisions, in relationship to a particular server housed at Trump Tower that was connected to Alfa Bank of Russia. There's also a lot of Russian and other citizens of foreign nations who reside in Trump Towers. Why the assumption that Trump had to be the target?

Both the House and Senate Foreign Intelligence committee are authorized to receive such information. In addition, the Chief Justice and the Director of National Intelligence are also privy to this info, along with the 11 judges who comprise the FISC. (I can understand why they would not call, Justice Roberts to appear before them or submit testimony, for numerous political, constitutional and practical considerations.) But for Comey and either the Former or current Acting Director of National Intelligence who were privy to this info, I cannot see a reason to call them and get to the bottom of this ASAP.
 
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thanks. I appreciate the reply. I agree 4&5 would be unlikely for a lot of reasons.

What about a combination of current moles and pre inauguration wire taps? That's actually what I believe we will see.

All speculation. If we are speculating though, I could see #1 and #2 type wiretaps, number #3 I personally doubt....and #3 is my understanding of what has been alleged by Trump (with the "say want I want, wait until the smoke clears, then say that is what I meant" observation previously made).
 
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All speculation. If we are speculating though, I could see #1 and #2 type wiretaps, number #3 I personally doubt....and #3 is my understanding of what has been alleged by Trump (with the "say want I want, wait until the smoke clears, then say that is what I meant" observation previously made).

Yeah, it's a message board. Not a deposition. Speculation is OK!
 
So... its been 3 days. Has Biff oroduced anything to substantiate his allegation that Obama wiretapped him? He's the POTUS, he can declassify it. Pretty big deal, youd think he would do more than just tweet.

I'm sure he'll present evidence tomorrow.

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