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Media coverage of Florida shooting

Read @wyomingosualum ’s post. He wasn’t adjudicated. You’re contradicting yourself saying not to blame guns yet not-so-subtly advocating for gun control lol

Carry on
Some people certainly shouldn’t own guns.

Like you. Molesting sedated patients and wishing death to the sitting president should prevent you.
 
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Some people certainly shouldn’t own guns.

Like you. Molesting sedated patients and wishing death to the sitting president should prevent you.

Lol...triggered from the #losing streak? Sorry you’re just too insecure to hang haha

Carry on
 
Bullshit. Explain this in something other than generalities and NRA talking points.
I believe the FBI has some explaining to do. If I understand correctly, they were notified about Cruz and his threats to do a school shooting. They said they couldn’t find him and closed the case.

Of course, the FBI was notified about the Boston Marathon bombers and actually found them, but we all know how that turned out.
 
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I enjoy banter with you. This however isn't banter. This is you putting your ego over and above your humanity.
No, this is me pointing out you are wrong and either refuse to acknowledge facts on purpose, or you refuse to read the facts.

School security was an issue in this case and continues to be an issue across the country. Any other conversation is just narrative parroting.
 
No, this is me pointing out you are wrong and either refuse to acknowledge facts on purpose, or you refuse to read the facts.

School security was an issue in this case and continues to be an issue across the country. Any other conversation is just narrative parroting.

But it’s you who are wrong lol. “Narrative”

Carry on
 
I believe the FBI has some explaining to do. If I understand correctly, they were notified about Cruz and his threats to do a school shooting. They said they couldn’t find him and closed the case.

Of course, the FBI was notified about the Boston Marathon bombers and actually found them, but we all know how that turned out.
So the FBI should be able to tie a youtube comment to an individual - thus this massacre is to be laid at their feet? Do I have your position correct?
 
No, this is me pointing out you are wrong and either refuse to acknowledge facts on purpose, or you refuse to read the facts.

School security was an issue in this case and continues to be an issue across the country. Any other conversation is just narrative parroting.
Quote me these facts again. Single point of entry or not? Gates locked (except when students require ingress or egress) or not? On campus armed security or not?

Who is ignoring facts? Who is attempting to create a false narrative? You are. You should be better than that, sadly proving you are not.
 
So the FBI should be able to tie a youtube comment to an individual - thus this massacre is to be laid at their feet? Do I have your position correct?
Uh, yeh. It’s sort of what they do. Of course they aren’t the only ones. A lot of people and things failed to allow this to happen.
 
Uh, yeh. It’s sort of what they do. Of course they aren’t the only ones. A lot of people and things failed to allow this to happen.
Your expectation, nee requirement, that the FBI be 100% effective so you can cope with your little man syndrome isn't reasonable.
 
Quote me these facts again. Single point of entry or not? Gates locked (except when students require ingress or egress) or not? On campus armed security or not?

Who is ignoring facts? Who is attempting to create a false narrative? You are. You should be better than that, sadly proving you are not.
School resource officer was likely not on campus. Gates opened allows access to multiple unlocked buildings. Pull your head out of your ass. That isn't the picture of single entry and you know it. Or you don't and I can't help you.

Can you walk into Google with an AR15?
 
So the FBI should be able to tie a youtube comment to an individual - thus this massacre is to be laid at their feet? Do I have your position correct?
You have not stated my position correctly. But I will gladly elaborate.

I believe it is entirely possible to determine exactly where that comment came from, especially when the person making the comment uses their real name. And extra especially when that name is spelled out of the norm.

If this guy was mentally ill all his life as stated by his attorney, and having made a statement indicative of his desire to harm himself or others, then he has opened the door for his involuntary commitment for mental health treatment.

Sometimes, you just can’t put a case together. I believe such was the case in the Boston bombimg. But it looks like the pieces of the puzzle were available in this case. I’d like to know what steps were taken to follow up on the initial report by the FBI.

Like I said, I believe they have some explaining to do. That’s not the same as blaming them for what happened.
 
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Your expectation, nee requirement, that the FBI be 100% effective so you can cope with your little man syndrome isn't reasonable.
Here we are, 3 pages in and we have nothing from you but “guns are bad”. What law would have prevented yesterday?
 
School resource officer was likely not on campus. Gates opened allows access to multiple unlocked buildings. Pull your head out of your ass. That isn't the picture of single entry and you know it. Or you don't and I can't help you.

Can you walk into Google with an AR15?
On campus security - check.
Gated entrances - check.
Single point of entry - check (https://www.floridatoday.com/story/...ols-have-spent-your-sales-tax-money/95472010/ )

Whose head is in what ass?
 
Here we are, 3 pages in and we have nothing from you but “guns are bad”. What law would have prevented yesterday?
Apparently banning the sale and ownership of AR15s is the magical fairy dust we all need to solve the issue. Nevermind the obvious. Chugging the ejaculate of the leftist narrative is the solution.
 
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Here we are, 3 pages in and we have nothing from you but “guns are bad”. What law would have prevented yesterday?
Spurious claim. Ban semi-auto weapons. Require liability insurance for gun owners.

No lack of practical ideas floated (here and elsewhere, by me, by others)... don't pretend there aren't things to be done to limit access to weapons used in these situations.

Nice attempt at deflection.
 
Apparently banning the sale and ownership of AR15s is the magical fairy dust we all need to solve the issue. Nevermind the obvious. Chugging the ejaculate of the leftist narrative is the solution.

You realize that’s your NRA narrative again? Florida makes it very easy to obtain semi-auto rifles. Very easy.
 
A link to an article from 2016? You can't be serious. This shit was addressed in the article I posted dated TODAY. It's clear you love the smell of your own rectum. You're approaching ChubbyClownCar status tonight. And that's sad.
Yes, because the specific description of the source of funding, the use of that funding, carries less weight than an article whose main claim is qualified by the word "might".

You are an idiot sometimes.
 
Spurious claim. Ban semi-auto weapons. Require liability insurance for gun owners.

No lack of practical ideas floated (here and elsewhere, by me, by others)... don't pretend there aren't things to be done to limit access to weapons used in these situations.

Nice attempt at deflection.
What do you do with the millions of semi autos already out there?

How do you require insurance? Gonna need to register with the feds? Nah, no thanks.
 
Yes, because the specific description of the source of funding, the use of that funding, carries less weight than an article whose main claim is qualified by the word "might".

You are an idiot sometimes.
Welcome aboard davidclintonallenscott. You've achieved retardation tonight. I didn't see that coming.

Multiple unlocked buildings. Single access point. Yep, that's ChubbyClownCar territory. Applause to you.
 
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I believe the FBI has some explaining to do. If I understand correctly, they were notified about Cruz and his threats to do a school shooting. They said they couldn’t find him and closed the case.

Of course, the FBI was notified about the Boston Marathon bombers and actually found them, but we all know how that turned out.
The FBI was notified by the Russians about the Boston bombers but apparently didn't have sufficient information to prevent its occurrence. A couple of years later the FBI swallowed hook, line and sinker a phony dossier produced by Russians however. The same people were in charge of the FBI for both events.
 
What are you trying to say here Ralphie?

You first say there are laws in place that should’ve prevented this, then you ask what law could’ve prevented this lol. I mean, you’re a talking contradiction of yourself. I’m confused as to what position you actually wanna take here haha.

Carry on.
 
You first say there are laws in place that should’ve prevented this, then you ask what law could’ve prevented this lol. I mean, you’re a talking contradiction of yourself. I’m confused as to what position you actually wanna take here haha.

Carry on.
I did not say there are laws in place that could have prevented it. Just didn’t say it.
 
Yes, because the specific description of the source of funding, the use of that funding, carries less weight than an article whose main claim is qualified by the word "might".

You are an idiot sometimes.
Simple questions for the narrative jizz guzzler...

Can I, random unarmed guy, wander into Google's headquarters and through their buildings without an escort or question?

Can I, random guy obviously armed with an AR15, wander into Google's headquarters and through their buildings without an escort or question?

I'll bet Google doesn't have armed security on site 24/7...
 
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I did not say there are laws in place that could have prevented it. Just didn’t say it.

You said the FBI ****ed up and that he shouldn’t have passed a background check. That’s obviously true from a philosophical standpoint, but from a legal standpoint you’re wrong.
 
The FBI was notified by the Russians about the Boston bombers but apparently didn't have sufficient information to prevent its occurrence. A couple of years later the FBI swallowed hook, line and sinker a phony dossier produced by Russians however. The same people were in charge of the FBI for both events.

Proof of phoniness of dossier? And proof it was produced by Russians?
 
Liability insurance for gun owners? I’m listening...
Pretty simple, harness the market to identify high risk gun owners and provide incentives in the form of discounts for those who adopt safe practices.

You want to buy a gun, show you have insurance.
You want ammo provide evidence of insurance.
 
Simple questions for the narrative jizz guzzler...

Can I, random unarmed guy, wander into Google's headquarters and through their buildings without an escort or question?

Can I, random guy obviously armed with an AR15, wander into Google's headquarters and through their buildings without an escort or question?

I'll bet Google doesn't have armed security on site 24/7...
I don't ignore people, feel like it is a puss move.

But, there is absolutely no reason to interact with you anymore.
 
I looked up the BATF form require for all firearms purchases from federally licensed firearms dealers (Form 4473). I should have reviewed this form prior to posting. It doesn’t ask the purchaser if he is or has been mentally ill. It asks if the purchaser has ever been ADJUDICATED as having a mental illness. I don’t know that to be the case.

Interestingly, the form defines this as any person who has been lawfully declared to be a danger to himself or others. This situation occurs routinely in this country, normally to suiicidal people. Somebody calls the cops because their friend or relative is suicidal. The cops evaluate the situation and maybe they decide to take the person into custody. Instead of taking them to jail, the cops take the detained person to a medical or psychological professional who further assesses the person. At that point, the detained person can be held up to 72 hours to ensure their safety, and longer if necessary after a court hearing.

There is no database entry for this temporary detention scenario, so it won’t show up in any background check. Obviously, I don’t know that this scenario applies to this guy. Even if it does, we will likely never know because of medical privacy laws.

Anyway, the bottom line is that I incorrectly recalled the wording on the federal government form and am setting the record straight.

Brady Act requires adjudication by a Judge as incompetent or a danger to self or others after a hearing.

The emergency order of detention for 72 hours doesn’t do it as a NICS gun purchase/possession disqualifier.

What you often see is someone gets an EOD, the doc convinces the person to voluntarily commit, and that doesn’t necessarily become a gun disqualifier.

Finally, there is a serious problem with mental health adjudications being reported to NICS. For instance, until a couple of years ago (with a change in statute) there were exactly zero records of court determinations or incompetence or involuntary commitment in NICS. Consequently, just because someone passes the background the purchase and possession isn’t strictly speaking legal.
 
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