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I'd also note: If I came to you with a counter report on the benefits of global warming written by the engineers and scientists as Exxon Mobile, you'd laugh at me about the partiality of the report. Yet, I'm supposed to take the work of Al Gore, who has made millions while arguing the ills of global warming as an impartial, unbiased source.
 
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Wow -- maybe I'm a skeptic, too then! That's very compelling!

Can I have the cites that establish all that stuff as settled science?

Sys,

Its only your team that's ever called this settled science.

However, I'd point to these two TIME magazine covers as exhibit A & B on the phenomenon of climate change:

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Sys,

Its only your team that's ever called this settled science.

However, I'd point to these two TIME magazine covers as exhibit A & B on the phenomenon of climate change:

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Well, a magazine isn't really "settled science" but I appreciate it. Also those cites don't really back up those very compelling scientific conclusions that medic attributed to climate scientists.

Also, isn't it ironic that the 1977 cover includes a teaser about why we can't beat the soviets and the "changing science" of living with cancer? I'll bet that science's approach to curing cancer has seen some pretty big changes since 1977. So you probably don't trust oncologists, right?
 
I'd also note: If I came to you with a counter report on the benefits of global warming written by the engineers and scientists as Exxon Mobile, you'd laugh at me about the partiality of the report. Yet, I'm supposed to take the work of Al Gore, who has made millions while arguing the ills of global warming as an impartial, unbiased source.

Well, first I don't think that Al Gore is a scientist -- he's known for the documentary and I haven't seen anyone on here cite him. Second, I'm totally open to the skepticism. I would prefer to see some science from someone that isn't financially vested in the skepticism though.

Medic made a pretty compelling case about how scientific consensus was so wrong, and I'm waiting on a factual back up of that stuff. I'm willing to spend the time to be very objective about this, so I'm looking forward to him edifying me.
 
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Carbon whatprint? Do as I say not as I party!!

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Cruising along on the climate change super canoe. Damn I feel real sorry for the schmucks on social media that will have to defend this.

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Pass the Kobe beef oprah and let's discuss a benifits dinner where a bunch of our celeb friends whose wallets are bigger than their brains dump a bunch of money at a feel good cause that will never produce results through the lack of accountability and oversight and probably make things worse.
 
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I'm not totally sold on climate change, but I am totally sold on the concept that burning an amount of carbon fuels, that continually increases exponentially, will result in significant changes to the planet in some form, sooner or later.
 
Well, a magazine isn't really "settled science" but I appreciate it. Also those cites don't really back up those very compelling scientific conclusions that medic attributed to climate scientists.

Also, isn't it ironic that the 1977 cover includes a teaser about why we can't beat the soviets and the "changing science" of living with cancer? I'll bet that science's approach to curing cancer has seen some pretty big changes since 1977. So you probably don't trust oncologists, right?

Sorry. How about these. This is a couple year's old, but many of the predictions (made on various earth days) are attributed to scientists.

https://www.aei.org/publication/18-...st-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-2/
 
Also those cites don't really back up those very compelling scientific conclusions that medic attributed to climate scientists.
Who made those dire predictions? Insurance agents? Uber drivers? Physical therapists? Are you now telling me that we don't have scientists making climate change predictions?
 
Sorry. Poor wording on my part. Meant things like water, environment appropriate for agriculture, etc.

They have water. It rains there. They have rivers.

They have a plethora of resources and potential farmland. If you drill down as to why it is not harnessed you might not like the answer. I know I don't.
 
Sorry. How about these. This is a couple year's old, but many of the predictions (made on various earth days) are attributed to scientists.

https://www.aei.org/publication/18-...st-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-2/
Nothing like random out of context quotes...

Wald referring to nuclear proliferation as some kind of environmental statement? Really?

Did Commoner provide any kind of timeframe for the eventual threat to human habitation of the earth?

Ehrlich would argue that his work through Zero Population Growth helped blunt the growth curve.

Useless list...
 
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Carbon whatprint? Do as I say not as I party!!

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Cruising along on the climate change super canoe. Damn I feel real sorry for the schmucks on social media that will have to defend this.

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Pass the Kobe beef oprah and let's discuss a benifits dinner where a bunch of our celeb friends whose wallets are bigger than their brains dump a bunch of money at a feel good cause that will never produce results through the lack of accountability and oversight and probably make things worse.

Looking up a few things for my responses here today I read a great line. I'll worry about climate change when the alarmists start behaving like there is a real issue. Images above show that we have clearly not reached that point.
 
Second, I'm totally open to the skepticism. I would prefer to see some science from someone that isn't financially vested in the skepticism though.
WTF? Who hijacked your computer?

Medic made a pretty compelling case about how scientific consensus was so wrong, and I'm waiting on a factual back up of that stuff. I'm willing to spend the time to be very objective about this, so I'm looking forward to him edifying me.
I merely brought up that at least one of the alarming predictions over the years should have come true. Democrat politicians have been telling us the science is settled. In fact, Obama told us the debate was over. Why would Democrats, including Obama, make these claims if the science was not actually settled?

If you want sources for failed predictions, or possibilities, or whatever they call them when they don't materialize, there's plenty of that out there. Here's a pretty impressive list with sources. It goes on into the comments section with a lot of other lists and editions.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-predictions/
 
Who made those dire predictions? Insurance agents? Uber drivers? Physical therapists? Are you now telling me that we don't have scientists making climate change predictions?

I didn't represent these things were scientific consensus -- you did. I've never heard of that stuff, and I'm being open minded -- I'm constantly accused of being partisan and having my mind made up so here I am. All I'm asking for are fsome cites to all those nuggets of settled science. I would certainly assume that those matters of "settled science" are from climate scientists and not uber drivers.
 
Have any of their predictions come true yet? There's still ice in the Arctic. That was supposed to be gone by 2013. Snow was supposed to be a thing of the past. The coasts were supposed to be underwater. We were supposed to have an ice age that would kill off all of our crops and when the ice age didn't happen, then we were supposed to have incredible heat and continuous droughts that would turn Americans into climate refugees. Nebraska was supposed to be a barren wasteland desert by now (by 1996 actually). Monster tornadoes becoming more frequent, hurricanes of never before seen frequency and size. Pacific and Caribbean islands are supposed to be underwater now displacing tens of millions.

Surely this settled climate change science can get something right. I mean, it is settled, right?

Wow -- maybe I'm a skeptic, too then! That's very compelling!

Can I have the cites that establish all that stuff as settled science?

Medic made a pretty compelling case about how scientific consensus was so wrong, and I'm waiting on a factual back up of that stuff. I'm willing to spend the time to be very objective about this, so I'm looking forward to him edifying me.

I merely brought up that at least one of the alarming predictions over the years should have come true. Democrat politicians have been telling us the science is settled. In fact, Obama told us the debate was over. Why would Democrats, including Obama, make these claims if the science was not actually settled?

Your first quote stated several facts that were claimed to be settled science. You may see them, quoted verbatim. I've asked for cites to those. You gave me a webpage with unlinked cites to stuff in Saxony and Germany, many of which are statements supposedly made without support.

Were you lying when you represented all of those "facts" are settled science? Where is this settled science that all icecaps would be melted by 2013? That Nebraska would be a barren wasteland? That snow would be a thing of the past? Coasts would be underwater? You said these were all settled science and I'm just asking for you to either state you were lying, or back it up with a cite.
 
@Marshal Jim Duncan remember when I said I didn't believe the skeptics because they lied and exaggerated so much? Check out what Mega wrote and can't back up. This is a pretty good example of making shit up, which makes it pretty hard to trust the skeptics.

Why the need to make up such obvious lies if the truth is on your side?
 
@Marshal Jim Duncan remember when I said I didn't believe the skeptics because they lied and exaggerated so much? Check out what Mega wrote and can't back up. This is a pretty good example of making shit up, which makes it pretty hard to trust the skeptics.

Why the need to make up such obvious lies if the truth is on your side?
I'm very confused here by what it is you're even attempting to do/say. It appears maybe you're confused too.
 
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I'm very confused here by what it is you're even attempting to do/say. It appears maybe you're confused too.

Nope -- crystal clear. You have in this thread a pristine example of creating fictional arguments that the advocate then points out as having been adopted by his opponent and using that to de-legitimize the opponent. There was no scientific consensus of that stuff. Medic lied to win an argument. Your side would sure do well to avoid such clumsy machinations.
 
Nope -- crystal clear. You have in this thread a pristine example of creating fictional arguments that the advocate then points out as having been adopted by his opponent and using that to de-legitimize the opponent. There was no scientific consensus of that stuff. Medic lied to win an argument. Your side would sure do well to avoid such clumsy machinations.
OK. If you'll read your post above you said "Mega". I read back through the thread and had NO IDEA what you were talking about.

Even so, the entire exercise is embarrassing. For you.
 
I didn't represent these things were scientific consensus -- you did. I've never heard of that stuff, and I'm being open minded -- I'm constantly accused of being partisan and having my mind made up so here I am. All I'm asking for are fsome cites to all those nuggets of settled science. I would certainly assume that those matters of "settled science" are from climate scientists and not uber drivers.
See the post right above this one fro
Your first quote stated several facts that were claimed to be settled science. You may see them, quoted verbatim. I've asked for cites to those. You gave me a webpage with unlinked cites to stuff in Saxony and Germany, many of which are statements supposedly made without support.

Were you lying when you represented all of those "facts" are settled science? Where is this settled science that all icecaps would be melted by 2013? That Nebraska would be a barren wasteland? That snow would be a thing of the past? Coasts would be underwater? You said these were all settled science and I'm just asking for you to either state you were lying, or back it up with a cite.
Uh, I didn't claim any of it was settled science. I said if the science was settled, at least one prediction should have come true, and then I listed some of the predictions made over the years. Obama's own climate czar made at least two in his days as a scientist, beginning with a new ice age prediction in 1971 to a prediction in 1985 that at least a billion would be dead from famine caused by global warming by 2020.

You're being intentionally obtuse at this point. So much for the open minded bullshit.
 
Uh, I didn't claim any of it was settled science. I said if the science was settled, at least one prediction should have come true, and then I listed some of the predictions made over the years.

LOL EVERY TIME!!!

Have any of their predictions come true yet? There's still ice in the Arctic. That was supposed to be gone by 2013. Snow was supposed to be a thing of the past. The coasts were supposed to be underwater. We were supposed to have an ice age that would kill off all of our crops and when the ice age didn't happen, then we were supposed to have incredible heat and continuous droughts that would turn Americans into climate refugees. Nebraska was supposed to be a barren wasteland desert by now (by 1996 actually). Monster tornadoes becoming more frequent, hurricanes of never before seen frequency and size. Pacific and Caribbean islands are supposed to be underwater now displacing tens of millions.

Surely this settled climate change science can get something right. I mean, it is settled, right? I can predict all sorts of things based on settled science. Why can't they? Just one?

Both legs. You haven't shit down both legs like this in a long time. This is up there with the Merrye Old Nazi Majicke dude.

This is why conservatives aren't to be believed. They lie and distort and it's so easy to see.
 
LOL EVERY TIME!!!



Both legs. You haven't shit down both legs like this in a long time. This is up there with the Merrye Old Nazi Majicke dude.

This is why conservatives aren't to be believed. They lie and distort and it's so easy to see.
Are you actually trying to say scientists haven't made failed climate predictions? Surely you aren't that stupid. Well, my retarded Cupcake, here's just a few for you. I'm not sure why I bother trying to engage a Muppet.

Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000.

"[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." Michael Oppenheimer, published in "Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press, 1990.

"Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." Christian Science Monitor, June 8, 1972.

"By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." Dr. Paul Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971.

"In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." Dr. Paul Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970

San Jose Mercury News (CA)
- June 30, 1989 - 3F General News
GRIM FORECAST
A senior environmental official at the United Nations, Noel Brown, says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of "eco-refugees," threatening political chaos, said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program. He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human...

ABSTRACT
There is a new phenomenon in the global arena: environmental refugees. These are people who can no longer gain a secure livelihood in their homelands because of drought, soil erosion, desertification, deforestation and other environmental problems, together with the associated problems of population pressures and profound poverty. In their desperation, these people feel they have no alternative but to seek sanctuary elsewhere, however hazardous the attempt. Not all of them have fled their countries, many being internally displaced. But all have abandoned their homelands on a semi-permanent if not permanent basis, with little hope of a foreseeable return. In 1995, environmental refugees totalled at least 25 million people, compared with 27 million traditional refugees (people fleeing political oppression, religious persecution and ethnic troubles). The total number of environmental refugees could well double by the year 2010, and increase steadily for a good while thereafter as growing numbers of impoverished people press ever harder on overloaded environments. When global warming takes hold, there could be as many as 200 million people overtaken by sea-level rise and coastal flooding, by disruptions of monsoon systems and other rainfall regimes, and by droughts of unprecedented severity and duration. Professor Norman Meyers
 
Are you actually trying to say scientists haven't made failed climate predictions? Surely you aren't that stupid. Well, my retarded Cupcake, here's just a few for you. I'm not sure why I bother trying to engage a Muppet.

Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000.

"[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." Michael Oppenheimer, published in "Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press, 1990.

"Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." Christian Science Monitor, June 8, 1972.

"By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." Dr. Paul Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971.

"In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." Dr. Paul Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970

San Jose Mercury News (CA)
- June 30, 1989 - 3F General News
GRIM FORECAST
A senior environmental official at the United Nations, Noel Brown, says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of "eco-refugees," threatening political chaos, said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program. He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human...

ABSTRACT
There is a new phenomenon in the global arena: environmental refugees. These are people who can no longer gain a secure livelihood in their homelands because of drought, soil erosion, desertification, deforestation and other environmental problems, together with the associated problems of population pressures and profound poverty. In their desperation, these people feel they have no alternative but to seek sanctuary elsewhere, however hazardous the attempt. Not all of them have fled their countries, many being internally displaced. But all have abandoned their homelands on a semi-permanent if not permanent basis, with little hope of a foreseeable return. In 1995, environmental refugees totalled at least 25 million people, compared with 27 million traditional refugees (people fleeing political oppression, religious persecution and ethnic troubles). The total number of environmental refugees could well double by the year 2010, and increase steadily for a good while thereafter as growing numbers of impoverished people press ever harder on overloaded environments. When global warming takes hold, there could be as many as 200 million people overtaken by sea-level rise and coastal flooding, by disruptions of monsoon systems and other rainfall regimes, and by droughts of unprecedented severity and duration. Professor Norman Meyers

First link wasn't to the cite.

The second link didn't work either.

I think this is enough of yet another session of chasing climate skeptics' wild geese.

None of those seem to represent anything near a "scientific consensus." I await evidence that there was some scientific consensus as to those facts you claimed. That, or again -- admit you lied.

Interestingly, my initial question that prompted your blizzard of lies was whether there was any compelling evidence to the contrary. You responded as you did. That's more evidence that you're deceptive -- you're afraid to reasonably analyze the other side's position. When asked to, you simply impute false facts to your opponent.
 
First link wasn't to the cite.

The second link didn't work either.

I didn't create the links. You've got Google and at least the ability to type. I've provided the prediction including the scientist who made it.

I think this is enough of yet another session of chasing climate skeptics' wild geese.

None of those seem to represent anything near a "scientific consensus." I await evidence that there was some scientific consensus as to those facts you claimed. That, or again -- admit you lied.
...When asked to, you simply impute false facts to your opponent.
LOL. You injected the "scientific consensus" garbage, not me. Global cooling/warming/climate change folks, including prominent scientists, have been making STUPID predictions for decades now, and not a single one has come true. You've got nothing to refute how ridiculous these alarming predictions have been so deflect deflect deflect! Settled science should be able to accurately predict at least one thing. Just. One. Correct. Prediction. That's all I expect. If they can't make accurate predictions, they should stop making them, but that would be politically inconvenient, wouldn't it? If they didn't say breathtakingly terrible things were going to happen, people wouldn't be alarmed. And that just isn't good for business and politics. I forgot why Al Gore went on a climate change tour. I'm sure it had nothing to do with his and David Blood's desire to be the owners of a very lucrative carbon credit exchange. I mean, he is the model for how to reduce the earth killing carbon footprint and all. Certainly not motivated by money...

I'm sure you expect at least a reasonable weather forecast, correct? If Mike Morgan and Screamer Payne predicted f5 tornadoes every day, you'd be less likely to believe their bullshit. I'm sure you expect a reasonable calorie count of your food. If the label always said it was 100 calories but it was in fact 10,000 calories, you'd likely question the source. I'm sure you expect doctors to be able to do medicine with a reasonable measure of success. Why is it so bad to expect climate scientists to be reasonably accurate with their shit or stop making predictions that the science doesn't actually support? You know the answer. The truth doesn't sell very well.

You know I've just beat your ass AGAIN. Fold up your cheap chair and head for the house as usual Cupcake.
 
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Carbon whatprint? Do as I say not as I party!!

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Cruising along on the climate change super canoe. Damn I feel real sorry for the schmucks on social media that will have to defend this.

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Pass the Kobe beef oprah and let's discuss a benifits dinner where a bunch of our celeb friends whose wallets are bigger than their brains dump a bunch of money at a feel good cause that will never produce results through the lack of accountability and oversight and probably make things worse.
Obama certainly seems concerned about the carbon footprint of this yacht. I'm sure he's lectured the owner repeatedly during his visit to it.
 
None of those seem to represent anything near a "scientific consensus."
You know, I couldn't let this one go. Regarding those idiotic predictions, either the science is flawed or the person making the prediction isn't using the science to make them. There really aren't any other options. So that brings me to, if these types of predictions aren't scientific consensus, why was the Obama administration routinely citing them? Were they really basing policy on scientific quackery? I'd hate to think Obama was a monumental idiot like Trump is.

These Obama statements strangely mirror climate alarmist predictions. Hmmmmmmm.

Obama at the First Session of COP21, from this link https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...0/remarks-president-obama-first-session-cop21:
This summer, I saw the effects of climate change firsthand in our northernmost state, Alaska, where the sea is already swallowing villages and eroding shorelines; where permafrost thaws and the tundra burns; where glaciers are melting at a pace unprecedented in modern times. And it was a preview of one possible future -- a glimpse of our children’s fate if the climate keeps changing faster than our efforts to address it. Submerged countries. Abandoned cities. Fields that no longer grow. Political disruptions that trigger new conflict, and even more floods of desperate peoples seeking the sanctuary of nations not their own.

Obama in his Presidential Memorandum-Climate Change and National Security, from this link https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...morandum-climate-change-and-national-security :
Sec. 2. Background. Climate change poses a significant and growing threat to national security, both at home and abroad. Climate change and its associated impacts affect economic prosperity, public health and safety, and international stability. Extended drought, more frequent and severe weather events, heat waves, warming and acidifying ocean waters, catastrophic wildfires, and rising sea levels all have compounding effects on people's health and well-being. Flooding and water scarcity can negatively affect food and energy production. Energy infrastructure, essential for supporting other key sectors, is already vulnerable to extreme weather and may be further compromised. Impacts of a changing climate can create conditions that promote pest outbreaks and the spread of invasive species as well as plant, animal, and human disease, including emerging infectious disease, and these can further undermine economic growth and livelihoods. Impacts can also disrupt transportation service, cutting off vulnerable communities from relief immediately after events and reducing economic output. These conditions, in turn, can stress some countries' ability to provide the conditions necessary for human security. All of these effects can lead to population migration within and across international borders, spur crises, and amplify or accelerate conflict in countries or regions already facing instability and fragility.

Obama in his 2015 National Security Strategy from this link https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2015_national_security_strategy.pdf :
Climate change is an urgent and growing threat to our national security, contributing to increased natural disasters, refugee flows, and conflicts over basic resources like food and water. The present day effects of climate change are being felt from the Arctic to the Midwest. Increased sea levels and storm surges threaten coastal regions, infrastructure, and property. In turn, the global economy suffers, compounding the growing costs of preparing and restoring infrastructure.


How about these from John Kerry? Where in the hell is he getting his information? We know he isn't a scientist.

John Kerry at the COP22 from this link http://www.climatechangenews.com/20...ll-transcript-of-cop22-climate-summit-speech/ :
We have seen record-breaking droughts everywhere – from India to Brazil to the west coast of the United States. Storms that used to happen once every 500 years are becoming relatively normal. In recent years, an average of 22.5 million people have been displaced by extreme weather events annually. We never saw that in the 20th Century. (really, storms that happened only once every 500 years are now normal? WTF? added by me, noted so you don't get confused)

John Kerry in Indonesia from this link https://2009-2017.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2014/02/221704.htm :
The bottom line is this: it is the same thing with climate change. And in a sense, climate change can now be considered another weapon of mass destruction, perhaps the world’s most fearsome weapon of mass destruction. (You would have to read the entire speech to get the full effect of his claims, too long to post).
 
This is a pretty good list of sources of the impending climatic disaster ice age that was predicted in the 1970s.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/01/global-cooling-compilation/

Turns out it was actually global warming. Or climate change. Or carbon pollution. Included are the failed predictions of Obama's own climate czar John Holdren, the guy who famously said this in a White House video titled "The Polar Vortex Explained in 2 Minutes": "But, a growing body of evidence suggests that the kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak is a pattern that we can expect to see with increasing frequency as global warming continues" which resulted in this gangbang of comedy http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-bader/ .
 
I didn't create the links. You've got Google and at least the ability to type. I've provided the prediction including the scientist who made it.


LOL. You injected the "scientific consensus" garbage, not me. Global cooling/warming/climate change folks, including prominent scientists, have been making STUPID predictions for decades now, and not a single one has come true. You've got nothing to refute how ridiculous these alarming predictions have been so deflect deflect deflect! Settled science should be able to accurately predict at least one thing. Just. One. Correct. Prediction. That's all I expect. If they can't make accurate predictions, they should stop making them, but that would be politically inconvenient, wouldn't it? If they didn't say breathtakingly terrible things were going to happen, people wouldn't be alarmed. And that just isn't good for business and politics. I forgot why Al Gore went on a climate change tour. I'm sure it had nothing to do with his and David Blood's desire to be the owners of a very lucrative carbon credit exchange. I mean, he is the model for how to reduce the earth killing carbon footprint and all. Certainly not motivated by money...

I'm sure you expect at least a reasonable weather forecast, correct? If Mike Morgan and Screamer Payne predicted f5 tornadoes every day, you'd be less likely to believe their bullshit. I'm sure you expect a reasonable calorie count of your food. If the label always said it was 100 calories but it was in fact 10,000 calories, you'd likely question the source. I'm sure you expect doctors to be able to do medicine with a reasonable measure of success. Why is it so bad to expect climate scientists to be reasonably accurate with their shit or stop making predictions that the science doesn't actually support? You know the answer. The truth doesn't sell very well.

You know I've just beat your ass AGAIN. Fold up your cheap chair and head for the house as usual Cupcake.

You need to quit telling stories.
 
Did I get twisted in this thread somehow? Seems like Sys is arguing that Climate change isn't settled science and somehow thinks that some of the Repubs here are arguing otherwise?

Or is Sys somehow denying that Obama called man-made global warming "settled science"?
 
All the global warming alarmists want to call it settled science. Unfortunately for them, science itself has a different opinion.
 
Did I get twisted in this thread somehow? Seems like Sys is arguing that Climate change isn't settled science and somehow thinks that some of the Repubs here are arguing otherwise?

Or is Sys somehow denying that Obama called man-made global warming "settled science"?

I'm saying that:

1. "Settled" science was deceptively described by Medic. Medic said no more snow, no polar icecaps, etc. was already supposed to happen as a matter of settled science. It was never settled science that Nebraska would be a wasteland by 1996, etc. He finds an unsubstantiated quote from fox (which can't be sourced) and says that was settled science. It's clumsy and deceptive tactic that shows he has to mislead and play word games to make a case. This is why I don't trust the skeptic community - it seems like there's always misdirection.

2. The "settled" part of the science is that carbon results in climate change, which is more extreme and hotter over time. It's deceptive to say that it was settled that there wouldn't be snow by 2013. Medic moved the goal post really quickly after his characterization of "settled" science was addressed.

3. You and medic are also pretending that scientific conclusions aren't refined, narrowed, improved, etc. over time. Name me a scientific discipline that hasn't improved over time. I can name dozens off the top of my head. You guys characterize that as a weakness of climate science, which shows you're not objective. You would never say "Oncology is incompetent and untrustworthy discipline" because of unsuccessful treatments and theories they pursued in the late 1970's.

4. Most skeptics, if pushed just a little, will demonstrate they're not interested in truth or objectivity. Take a look at Medic's response to a very fair question: What's the other side? That's a very fair question to someone that is objective. Instead, he lied and mischaracterized settled science. I've asked Glove on multiple occasions what degree of proof would be required to prove to him that carbon is causing climate change. It's always a deflection. There is simply no science that would ever satisfy these skeptics -- they just don't want it to exist, so presto, they manufacture arguments.

5. Many of the skeptic claims parrot professional corporate denials from the tobacco industry. Lots of close parallels. Just the nature of the arguments that we've all heard before is compelling to me.

6. It's always easy to punch holes in a theory. There's lots of data that temperatures are becoming much, much hotter. I could play the skeptic's game and say that the skeptic community also denied that for a long time, too. That doesn't determine whether it's getting hotter, though.

All of these combine to pretty conclusively establish the skeptics are full of shit, imo. I welcome objective science and objective analysis, but the usual sophistry and PR arguments just aren't compelling.
 
And I've answered you on multiple occasions. That my answers do not satisfy your agenda is your problem, not mine.
 
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I'm saying that:

1. "Settled" science was deceptively described by Medic. Medic said no more snow, no polar icecaps, etc. was already supposed to happen as a matter of settled science. It was never settled science that Nebraska would be a wasteland by 1996, etc. He finds an unsubstantiated quote from fox (which can't be sourced) and says that was settled science. It's clumsy and deceptive tactic that shows he has to mislead and play word games to make a case. This is why I don't trust the skeptic community - it seems like there's always misdirection.

2. The "settled" part of the science is that carbon results in climate change, which is more extreme and hotter over time. It's deceptive to say that it was settled that there wouldn't be snow by 2013. Medic moved the goal post really quickly after his characterization of "settled" science was addressed.

3. You and medic are also pretending that scientific conclusions aren't refined, narrowed, improved, etc. over time. Name me a scientific discipline that hasn't improved over time. I can name dozens off the top of my head. You guys characterize that as a weakness of climate science, which shows you're not objective. You would never say "Oncology is incompetent and untrustworthy discipline" because of unsuccessful treatments and theories they pursued in the late 1970's.

4. Most skeptics, if pushed just a little, will demonstrate they're not interested in truth or objectivity. Take a look at Medic's response to a very fair question: What's the other side? That's a very fair question to someone that is objective. Instead, he lied and mischaracterized settled science. I've asked Glove on multiple occasions what degree of proof would be required to prove to him that carbon is causing climate change. It's always a deflection. There is simply no science that would ever satisfy these skeptics -- they just don't want it to exist, so presto, they manufacture arguments.

5. Many of the skeptic claims parrot professional corporate denials from the tobacco industry. Lots of close parallels. Just the nature of the arguments that we've all heard before is compelling to me.

6. It's always easy to punch holes in a theory. There's lots of data that temperatures are becoming much, much hotter. I could play the skeptic's game and say that the skeptic community also denied that for a long time, too. That doesn't determine whether it's getting hotter, though.

All of these combine to pretty conclusively establish the skeptics are full of shit, imo. I welcome objective science and objective analysis, but the usual sophistry and PR arguments just aren't compelling.
What a rube. I mocked the notion that the science is settled, claims only made by the folks whose boots you lick. You can try to reinvent what I posted however many times you like. My credibility is fine.

I'll ask you these two simple questions that you won't answer. Why has climate science failed to produce one single accurate prediction? And why do lefties quote these failed alarmist predictions as a basis for policy?

Come on Cupcake, this isn't oncology. You love to refer to advances in oncology as some sort of measuring stick. Strangely enough, oncology has actually progressed, can explain how exactly cancers are formed in many cases now, and can make pretty accurate predictions of treatment results.
 
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