Hey there is always the healthcare system we nonveterans use. I hear it works really well for Mick Jagger.It works poorly when it works at all.
Hey there is always the healthcare system we nonveterans use. I hear it works really well for Mick Jagger.It works poorly when it works at all.
Who does Medicare and Medicaid cover?I brought up the Netherlands as a demonstration that the costs you are so fond of talking about aren't set in stone and are actually set by a market where providers can pass along the 13% of costs unpaid by medicare to private insurers and their unwitting customers.
I concede whatever point you are trying to make about the difference between Berniecare and the Netherlands.
A key similarity between the Netherlands and the status quo ante in the US is that provision of healthcare is highly regulated. So the question remains, if costs are inflexible how is it possible for the Netherlands to provide healthcare so much cheaper than the US. Please don't dodge again.
So your largest customers haven't been paying below your actual costs to produce your products for years? You would have found a bag holder if that was the case or you wouldn't be in business.33 trillion over 10 years instead of 35 is exactly the same as working for free.
In manufacturing we have to make a profit on every order because we don't have a bag holder that we can pass losses along to.
My industry doesn't have a bag holder which is why prices haven't increased significantly faster than the CPI.So your largest customers haven't been paying below your actual costs to produce your products for years? You would have found a bag holder if that was the case or you wouldn't be in business.
Cut to the chase and stop dodging.Who does Medicare and Medicaid cover?
Your industry also doesn't have your largest payers paying less than cost for your products. I know you'd like to ignore this fact, but it isn't going away.My industry doesn't have a bag holder which is why prices haven't increased significantly faster than the CPI.
Who does Medicare and Medicaid cover?Cut to the chase and stop dodging.
Because we contain our costs because we don't have bagholders. Your supposed costs are artificially inflated by the existence of bagholders.Your industry also doesn't have your largest payers paying less than cost for your products. I know you'd like to ignore this fact, but it isn't going away.
Just tell me and quit dodging.Who does Medicare and Medicaid cover?
The charges have been artificially inflated because of bag holders, not the costs. You do know the difference between costs and charges, correct?Because we contain our costs because we don't have bagholders. Your supposed costs are artificially inflated by the existence of bagholders.
I'm not sure you have any knowledge of healthcare in the US outside of Bernie and AOC talking points. The current direction of this thread isn't helping. It's a simple question, who does Medicare and Medicaid cover?Just tell me and quit dodging.
The cost and charges have been artificially inflated. Why control costs when you can just pass them along? If you pass along 13% of the cost to care for Medicare patients whats a 6% increase in salaries or a 7% increase from you syringe supplier?The charges have been artificially inflated because of bag holders, not the costs. You do know the difference between costs and charges, correct?
Just tell me make your point and quit dodging.I'm not sure you have any knowledge of healthcare in the US outside of Bernie and AOC talking points. The current direction of this thread isn't helping. It's a simple question, who does Medicare and Medicaid cover?
You control costs to maximize profit. Are you really going to be this intellectually dishonest?Because we contain our costs because we don't have bagholders. Your supposed costs are artificially inflated by the existence of bagholders.
It's clear you have no idea how any of this works. The price of the syringe is included in the cost Do you know how much a 10cc syringe costs a hospital?The cost and charges have been artificially inflated. Why control costs when you can just pass them along? If you pass along 13% of the cost to care for Medicare patients whats a 6% increase in salaries or a 7% increase from you syringe supplier?
Oh shit?!? I wondered why I mentioned syringes in my discussion of costs.The price of the syringe is included in the cost
Yeah imagine how much easier it would be to maximize profit if I could, instead of controlling costs, just charge my bagholders more.You control costs to maximize profit. Are you really going to be this intellectually dishonest?
To move this along, old people and poor people.Who does Medicare and Medicaid cover?
Well, if your largest customers were paying less than your costs, you'd be doing something or you'd go out of business. You're an absolute idiot if you think providers don't try to control costs. Controlling costs is the only way to make any money. That's why entities like the VHA and OHA exist.Yeah imagine how much easier it would be to maximize profit if I could, instead of controlling costs, just charge my bagholders more.
Are those two groups high utilizers of healthcare services?To move this along, old people and poor people.
Do you think that private insurance companies actually pay what providers bill them?Yeah imagine how much easier it would be to maximize profit if I could, instead of controlling costs, just charge my bagholders more.
You do realize that "report" represents "fees" and not the actual provider cost to provide care right? There's a reason that US "fees" are higher than other countries, which is exactly what I'm trying to point out to you.
I'm sure they try to control costs, but why are they so unsuccessful.Well, if your largest customers were paying less than your costs, you'd be doing something or you'd go out of business. You're an absolute idiot if you think providers don't try to control costs. Controlling costs is the only way to make any money. That's why entities like the VHA and OHA exist.
They aren't unsuccessful. If that was the case, there'd be no hospitals open. Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurance reimbursement hasn't been becoming more generous.I'm sure they try to control costs, but why are they so unsuccessful.
god this is tediousAre those two groups high utilizers of healthcare services?
Cost to the provider and cost to the consumer aren't the same thing.I'm sure they try to control costs, but why are they so unsuccessful.
If you had previously demonstrated any actual knowledge of healthcare in the US it probably wouldn't be. I feel like I'm trying to discuss rocket science with a toddler.god this is tedious
NoDo you think that private insurance companies actually pay what providers bill them?
Fees or prices should be higher than cost (except Medicare). Why are US average and Medicare "fees" both higher than other countries?You do realize that "report" represents "fees" and not the actual provider cost to provide care right? There's a reason that US "fees" are higher than other countries, which is exactly what I'm trying to point out to you.
Looks unsuccessful to meThey aren't unsuccessful. If that was the case, there'd be no hospitals open. Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurance reimbursement hasn't been becoming more generous.
Cost to the consumer = cost to the provider + profit of the providerCost to the provider and cost to the consumer aren't the same thing.
Still dodging.If you had previously demonstrated any actual knowledge of healthcare in the US it probably wouldn't be. I feel like I'm trying to discuss rocket science with a toddler.
Do providers control the price of pharmaceuticals? Of IV catheters? Of CT machines? Malpractice insurance? The cost of EMRs?Looks unsuccessful to me![]()
Providers inflated charges to increase reimbursement from private insurers to recoup underpayments from Medicare and Medicaid and the costs of providing charity care.Fees or prices should be higher than cost (except Medicare). Why are US average and Medicare "fees" both higher than other countries?
In most industries that's true. Most people don't pay directly for their healthcare though. A third party payer exists in about 95% of healthcare transactions.Cost to the consumer = cost to the provider + profit of the provider