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Let's look at this logically...

Relax sheesh.

No one acts exactly like trump.

That was my point.

Apparently you think Bill O'Reilly was the closest. Do you think he acted that way when he first started breaking into the industry?

My entire point was that Trump acts the way he does, and many people find it obnoxious and their knee jerk reaction is a negative one. You interpret that as a media conspiracy against him. I disagree.
 
Been - I apologize in advance for the long reply - but I really want to address each of your points. I want to be clear in my purpose here. I strongly believe you to have political ideologies much closer to my own than to say...

alexandria_ocasio-cortez.jpg


...and to start with, I really want to re-ask you a question that I think you may have missed recently. Is she the new face of your democratic party? You are an entrepreneur. Are you comfortable with her platform?

I'm pretty sure you aren't a "democratic socialist" and neither am I. One thing I once was considered to be though? A liberal. It's a very different thing to be liberal than to be a leftist - and you'll never find evidence of me throwing "liberals" under the bus. Leftists? I have no use for them. One is a perfectly honorable thing to be in a constitutional republic and one is an anathema that cannot coexist with capitalism. Like it or not, at some point, you'll have a choice to make - given the direction your party is strongly taking. Your instinct is to be the loyal opposition and that is a healthy thing to be. But whom are you actually opposing and why? That's what I want to make you think about.



Trump invokes visceral reactions - yes, I agree. But as you recognize - terms like liberal and conservative are bigly generalized here... I would submit to you that they are more than that - they are outdated, antiquated 80's/90's era terms at this point that are as relevant as a VHS from the same time period. I do not consider myself to be a conservative. If I had to strictly define my political leanings, the word "liberal" would come up far sooner than conservative. Most accurately and succinctly, I am a constitutionalist.

In fact, most people you would consider traditionally to be conservatives... Bush(s), Romney, McCain, Cheney, etc etc are or were at one time - openly anti-trump. This is absolutely nothing like a R v D issue. I personally despise Republicans in general and hold absolutely zero loyalty to them.

Inversely, liberals are quickly being phased out of favor in the DNC. Cortez is being touted as the new face of your party. She is a leftist and a socialist, by her own words and admission. Leftists believe free speech can be hate speech or even violence in and of itself. I seriously doubt that's your real position. So here we are Been. Two guys in the political center who are constantly being told we are liberal or conservative. I am neither. I am both.

To me and people like me - Trump is a refreshing dose of F* You to the establishment (uniparty). Does he always make me proud with the way he says and does things? Nope. But I would be lying if I didn't say I really enjoy the carnage his banality and guy from Queens style causes when he gores the establishment's sacred cows and takes a giant shit on fake decorum. I love that. This concept of being presidential is simply a veneer to keep doing things comfortably the way both parties have been doing them for a long time.

His crassness to you says boor. To me it says, this is a guy who actually wants to keep campaign promises and hold people accountable.

The economic numbers (4.5 GDP projections as of today by the way) and the Constitutionalist judicial appointments continue to validate my point of view every day. I couldn't care less if he's crass. He is a harsh antibiotic that was needed to expose the corruption in our system that has been covered up for decades by more polished and presidential sounding men of both parties.

Perhaps @Been Jammin the next man or woman who follows him will again have the luxury of being a pleasant and moral person. Right now, we need an antibiotic.


bravo
 
That was my point.

Apparently you think Bill O'Reilly was the closest. Do you think he acted that way when he first started breaking into the industry?

My entire point was that Trump acts the way he does, and many people find it obnoxious and their knee jerk reaction is a negative one. You interpret that as a media conspiracy against him. I disagree.

90% negative media coverage.

That math doesn't seem to match the electorate.
 
That was my point.

Apparently you think Bill O'Reilly was the closest. Do you think he acted that way when he first started breaking into the industry?

My entire point was that Trump acts the way he does, and many people find it obnoxious and their knee jerk reaction is a negative one. You interpret that as a media conspiracy against him. I disagree.

I find him obnoxious but I would vote for him ten times if I thought I would get away with it.

If you honestly think the vast majority of the media is not left wing and trying to minimize trump’s accomplishments while crafting a narrative blowing everything negative out of proportion then you are just living a different reality than me. I would like to consume news next to you over a period of days and show you.
 
@HanAholeSolo2.0

Really interesting read. A lot that I agree with. Newfound respect for you and what you stand for/believe in.

In answer to the initial question about Ocasio-Cortez, I have mixed feelings and I have unformed opinions so far.

On the one hand, I do like the idea of a younger demographic entering into the political arena. I like the idea of congress containing a population that is more consistent with the the population of our country (i.e. fewer wealthy white men). I like the idea of congress consisting of fewer individuals who are beholden to corporations/organizations that are lining their individual pockets.

However, I don't want to gloss over the importance of experience and learning, as an individual rises through the ranks. I don't think she has the experience to do the job just yet. Clearly this contradicts my previous paragraph.

As far as her politics go, I would need to do a lot more research into her before I could give you an answer as to what I agree/disagree with. There are some things, that I am confident she and I would see eye to eye on. There are some things that I might disagree with. There are some things that are likely important to her, that I do not care about.
 
The crazy-eyed congresswoman is such a huge deal to conservatives. Why? Ya'll hate Pelosi and she's against the Dem leadership. Why the hate, you don't want any change from within your enemy?
 
I support Cortez 100%. I think she needs to be given as much airtime as possible.

One of my narratives through the last few years is that this is all backlash. You wanna give us east coast republican BUsh? Here's your first black POTUS. You wanna give us slick willie? Here's Dumbya. You wanna give us a mouth breathing redneck? Here's your ivy league black liberal. Oh yeah? Here's freaking BIFF.

Enjoy it, mf'ers. This backlash will be... you asked for it. The coming middle class squeeze is about to turn this whole thing upside down, too. You should print this off and tape it on the wall next to your proudboi certificate and keep it handy.
 
One of my narratives through the last few years is that this is all backlash. You wanna give us east coast republican BUsh? Here's your first black POTUS. You wanna give us slick willie? Here's Dumbya. You wanna give us a mouth breathing redneck? Here's your ivy league black liberal. Oh yeah? Here's freaking BIFF.

Enjoy it, mf'ers. This backlash will be... you asked for it. The coming middle class squeeze is about to turn this whole thing upside down, too. You should print this off and tape it on the wall next to your proudboi certificate and keep it handy.

Nah.
 
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It's moderate left leaners (as I perceive @Been Jammin to be) that choose to shake up their side by either splitting off into a moderate left party or by voting out the crazies... that will ultimately save the country. @Medic007 is already a left leaning independent.

You listening @syskatine @davidallen ?

Been - I apologize in advance for the long reply - but I really want to address each of your points. I want to be clear in my purpose here. I strongly believe you to have political ideologies much closer to my own than to say...

alexandria_ocasio-cortez.jpg


...and to start with, I really want to re-ask you a question that I think you may have missed recently. Is she the new face of your democratic party? You are an entrepreneur. Are you comfortable with her platform?

I'm pretty sure you aren't a "democratic socialist" and neither am I. One thing I once was considered to be though? A liberal. It's a very different thing to be liberal than to be a leftist - and you'll never find evidence of me throwing "liberals" under the bus. Leftists? I have no use for them. One is a perfectly honorable thing to be in a constitutional republic and one is an anathema that cannot coexist with capitalism. Like it or not, at some point, you'll have a choice to make - given the direction your party is strongly taking. Your instinct is to be the loyal opposition and that is a healthy thing to be. But whom are you actually opposing and why? That's what I want to make you think about.



Trump invokes visceral reactions - yes, I agree. But as you recognize - terms like liberal and conservative are bigly generalized here... I would submit to you that they are more than that - they are outdated, antiquated 80's/90's era terms at this point that are as relevant as a VHS from the same time period. I do not consider myself to be a conservative. If I had to strictly define my political leanings, the word "liberal" would come up far sooner than conservative. Most accurately and succinctly, I am a constitutionalist.

In fact, most people you would consider traditionally to be conservatives... Bush(s), Romney, McCain, Cheney, etc etc are or were at one time - openly anti-trump. This is absolutely nothing like a R v D issue. I personally despise Republicans in general and hold absolutely zero loyalty to them.

Inversely, liberals are quickly being phased out of favor in the DNC. Cortez is being touted as the new face of your party. She is a leftist and a socialist, by her own words and admission. Leftists believe free speech can be hate speech or even violence in and of itself. I seriously doubt that's your real position. So here we are Been. Two guys in the political center who are constantly being told we are liberal or conservative. I am neither. I am both.

To me and people like me - Trump is a refreshing dose of F* You to the establishment (uniparty). Does he always make me proud with the way he says and does things? Nope. But I would be lying if I didn't say I really enjoy the carnage his banality and guy from Queens style causes when he gores the establishment's sacred cows and takes a giant shit on fake decorum. I love that. This concept of being presidential is simply a veneer to keep doing things comfortably the way both parties have been doing them for a long time.

His crassness to you says boor. To me it says, this is a guy who actually wants to keep campaign promises and hold people accountable.

The economic numbers (4.5 GDP projections as of today by the way) and the Constitutionalist judicial appointments continue to validate my point of view every day. I couldn't care less if he's crass. He is a harsh antibiotic that was needed to expose the corruption in our system that has been covered up for decades by more polished and presidential sounding men of both parties.

Perhaps @Been Jammin the next man or woman who follows him will again have the luxury of being a pleasant and moral person. Right now, we need an antibiotic.
 
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