I know a Green Beret personally that would agree that kneeling is wrong
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I know a Green Beret personally that would agree that kneeling is wrong
I know a a few Generals that think it’s one of the most patriotic actions one can take. Peaceful Protest is our right.
I think it shows that is it a complex topic with mostly well-intentioned people on both sides of it.
My father-in-law, a retired lieutenant colonel and Army ranger, says that he is totally offended by Kap's actions but would fight for his right to say it. Just as he'd fight for everyone else's right to call CK a POS for doing so.
Again, you expect people to come to a conversation with a person purposefully taking actions to offend them.
Would you expect the family of a homosexual sit down and have a real conversation with the Westboro Church protesters? I doubt it very much. I wouldn't either.
Yes, I just compared CK to Wesboro members because they are both taking actions that purposefully offend.
Again, you expect people to come to a conversation with a person purposefully taking actions to offend them.
Would you expect the family of a homosexual sit down and have a real conversation with the Westboro Church protesters? I doubt it very much. I wouldn't either.
Yes, I just compared CK to Wesboro members because they are both taking actions that purposefully offend.
Well, shit.
Now, I'm confused about which members of the military I'm allowed to question and which ones I'm going to be mocked for questioning.
You mean the ones you agree with vs the ones you disagree with.
Confirmation bias.
I think it's perfectly fine to say you disagree with Boyer or other vets who aren't offended. Calling him a ****up and calling his honor and patriotism into question because he didn't villify CK like Trump did is incomprehensible to me.
I can agree with this.
I just have a problem with the fact that 16 unarmed black men were killed by cops in 2016, when he started the protest, and having that treated like it is a big systematic issue.
If there was some big systematic plan, then the number of lives affected would be on par with the numbers that Planned Parenthood hits
Well, it’s exactly what you are doing with this particular guy. You agree with him, so you prop him up. You are just being dishonest about it.
I agree that it was a misguided protest in 2016. And CK caught flack and was out of the league the next year.
And then Donald Trump made it all about Donald Trump in 2017 because that's what Donald Trump does.
Dishonest how?
I haven't called anyone's honor or patriotism into question. I haven't said that vets who disagree with CK or Boyer are dishonorable ****ups. They've earned the hell out of their point of view, and I respect it regardless of whether or not I agree.
Two sides, complex issue. Not a place for binary thinkers.
Anybody besides me remember the mind losing and outrage some people had over Tim Tebow kneeling for something he believed in?
No, you are using his status as a vet to make it sound like what CK is doing is honorable.
I'm simply recognizing that there are people with good intentions on both sides of a complex issue and coming to a common ground is a better endgame than destroying the other half.
You're tuning out anyone who doesn't agree with you.
If that makes me the dishonest one, I don't think we have anything else worth discussing.
Nobody on the CK “side” wants to have a discussion. They don’t want to listen...they want to be heard.
It was fine with me. He wasn't the first to pray on the field, and I don't recall his kneeling being restricted either.
I also don't remember 43 or 44 railing against him it to stoke the fires. Did I miss that?
Seriously, he was widely mocked by the media and the left (same basic thing). He was basically publicly shamed by the exact same people clapping for CK.
Dishonest....
Seems like not wanting to listen is not unique to one side.
Hey guys....
Colin Kaepernick hasn't played in an NFL game or been on an NFL roster since Jan 1, 2017. As such, he hasn't kneeled for the anthem since then.
If Donald Trump hadn't used the keeling issue to appeal to Roy Moore voters in Alabama in the most LCD manner possible, this would all be in the past. The subsequent kneeling during the first few weeks of 2017 was the players response to Trump, not even about the flag or the troops.
And now everyone either stands or stays in the locker room (where they stay during the anthem in high school and college and used to stay in the NFL before 2009).
So why are we still talking about it?
Colin Kaepernick hasn't played in an NFL game or been on an NFL roster since Jan 1, 2017. As such, he hasn't kneeled for the anthem since then.
If Donald Trump hadn't used the keeling issue to appeal to Roy Moore voters in Alabama in the most LCD manner possible, this would all be in the past. The subsequent kneeling during the first few weeks of 2017 was the players response to Trump, not even about the flag or the troops.
And now everyone either stands or stays in the locker room (where they stay during the anthem in high school and college and used to stay in the NFL before 2009).
So why are we still talking about it?
Here's what I've found on that...
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/8/16/17704518/colin-kaepernick-john-elway-denver-broncos
Cliffs notes:
1) Denver WAS interested in trading for him while he was still in SF, but that was after the 2015 season (right after Peyton Manning retired and before his kneeling protest began in the 2016 preseason).
2) Denver was only interested in trading for him if he would take a considerable pay cut ($12.4M total) for the 2016-17 seasons, which he didn't want to do.
3) So he played out 2016 with SF at his full salary of $14.3M
4) He opted out of his contract in 2017 (SF would've released him if he didn't).
5) Denver showed no interest at that time.
I agree, it was about something he feels strongly about and he did what he thought he needed to do. People do stupid crap, they make mistakes.
Here is my $.02.
He did something extremely offensive. Some for sure, but not much different in burning the flag IMO. He did draw attention, but what did he really do to help the cause after that? I have never seen video of him speaking in front of a crowd, I have never seen evidence of him marching, I have never seen where he donated his time or money to anything he is so concerned about.
I have not read about Nate, but by the 45 second clip it appears to me he does Not feel like that should have been done. Coming to an "understanding" does not make it okay.
If my kids felt like Kap, and wanted to make a difference by kneeling, I would discourage it and explain what they were really about to do, but I could live with it once, not more than that. They would get their butts out and "stand on a grand stage" and really become dedicated to making a difference. Please provide me with any information that he has done crap besides disrespecting over and over again, America. And, please do not tell me that standing in front of a camera in the locker room means crap.
I mean, I think that's a pretty big difference.
On donating...$1M to a variety of organizations.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/31/16390662/colin-kaepernick-1-million-donation-goal-charity
The rest of your post, I generally concur.
The Denver offer was backup money, which was kind of what he was worth after being beaten out by future HOF QB Blaine Gabbert in SNFC
Good on him. Trump donates a lot of money, I’m sure it reverses your opinion on him.
True. And yet, he was still entitled to his guaranteed money from SF at the time. And he retook the QB job from Gabbert in Week 6 of 2016.
Arguments about market value aside, would you have left $7M/yr on the table?
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Trump lied about donations to veterans groups.
Trump Deification Syndrome in full effect
He does? When? To what?
If you give The Wino Foundation $50, and then The Wino Foundation gives that same $50 to the Wounded Warriors, who really donated?
Well, assuming Google is hiding the truth, why don't you point me to a few solid examples?
Caveat: I acknowledge the reports that he has declined/donated his salary as president. Noble gesture, and I commend that.
Otherwise, his MO is to keep his $ to himself, collect others money via the foundation and then redistribute that.
If I collect $1M and give it to Alzheimer's research, that is absolutely a good thing, but it is also not the same as donating $1M to the same cause, especially if I never gave any of my own money, and even worse if I go around trying to conflate the two things.
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Okay, he gets a gold star.
Now lets get to the serious stuff. How many of these has anyone really even heard of? What is the % of the money that really goes to help people? How many years have they been providing the help they claim the do? Does he do events on their behalf? Is he on the board of any of them and get paid? How much of his money is donated above the IRS max?
My point is most of this crap is just more propaganda. Lets put some lipstick on the pig. Wait he wears socks.
